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HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Until HumblePie posts some proof of his wild claims, I'll continue to believe that he's just making stuff up. If I had this bad RNG, I'd be streaming Hearthstone on Twitch and pulling in heaps of money. He's previously claimed to run into hacks which let you see opponent's hand, getting wisp 15 times in a row in arena, getting coin from mind vision 30 times in a row, etc, etc. These are the ones I remember, he's probably said some other stuff.

While it's possible for Blizzard to manipulate RNG since it's all server side and that type of code doesn't run client side, why the hell would they.


Edit: Blizzard does initially match new players with only new players but that's only for the first ten or so games. After that it's solely by your rank and after legend by your MMR. If as a brand new player you've run into an opponent with lots of legendaries, it's probable that they spent money on packs and/or are only new to ranked but have been playing casual/arena previously.


All of what I have experienced has happened. Again, the reason for the weighting would be strictly to incentivize spending money on the game. People that hadn't spent a lot would think they would boost their win rate by spending to get more cards. But that doesn't factor as much in to the player that hasn't spent anything AND has most of the cards in the game now. Besides some shitty epics and legendaries, I have all the good stuff at this point. I can make ANY competitive net deck out there. Making the most competitive deck isn't a problem for me. I lose most of the time due to bad draw curves most of the time.

Do I think that blizzard put in code to allow 6 druids in the same night to go against me with that same first turn kill combo? Not really. I doubt they spent that much time on trying to figure out possible killer combo RNG setups and rig the card draw a bit for that. Nor did I suggest that really. Do I think when I play dozens of hands a night and I damn near always have my highest cards for my deck in my opening hand along with my first few draws may have something to do with weighted RNG? possible.

I don't nor can I prove this hypothesis. Nor am I saying it is anything but a hypothesis. Until a larger sample size can be collected, or Blizzard releases all the collected meta data for the game to the public, it's just a theory.
 

fastamdman

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Nov 18, 2011
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I understand what you are saying humblepie. You are entitled to your opinion and your hypothesis. My only question, which I am really curious on, is what rank are you, when you do play ranked? Or I guess a better way to word it would be, what is your highest rank achieved in standard?
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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I understand what you are saying humblepie. You are entitled to your opinion and your hypothesis. My only question, which I am really curious on, is what rank are you, when you do play ranked? Or I guess a better way to word it would be, what is your highest rank achieved in standard?

Highest I gone to was rank 7 I think when I once tried to grind it out over a weekend and got a bit lucky. 12 is my highest win in arena. U don't play ranked as much, but when I pull up the quest log it show 3922 wins in ranked. Only 254 arena wins since arena pissed me off even worse and I barely do that. I usually play about 10 times as much casual as I do ranked. Funny thing with all those ranked wins is that I have yet to have any of my decks reach the 500 "golden" border since I do try to mix up the deck I am playing to the meta I am playing again when I try to gain a bit of rank. As I said previously though, I haven't seriously tried ranking up in forever. I just get my 15 and I'm done.

Oh the other reason for my hypothesis is because of win/loss ratio based on time of day. Why would that factor?

If I play during 5pm central to 9pm central I tend to have a more balance or favorable win/loss ratio. If I play outside those times I almost always lose to stupid mana curve draw problems that the game screws me and favors my opponents. Why would this matter and fit into my hypothesis? Those that don't pay to play like me tend to play during prime time. I get matched up against those players during those hours and the opponent and I would have "equal" weighting according to my theory. When I play outside those times, I tend to play against those that have spent money despite playing against basically the same decks no matter the time of day. Let me break it down.

If during prime time I play my deck A, and play against netdecks A (like mine), B, and C I have about a 50% win ratio during prime time hours. I get an occasional good and bad curve mana draw. So does my opponents.

When I play at random times outside prime times, like say 3 in the morning because I woke up and couldn't go back to bed, I play against the same net decks A, B, and C in the above example. Difference is, no matter how many games I play I almost always get this shittiest mana curve draw and the person I play against gets damn near optimal draw every time for that deck. Why would that happen? Those that tend to play in those hours more tend to be the "hardcore" players that have more than likely paid to be playing.

Trust me, the conclusion I came to took as much data points as I could figure out from myself and others. The above scenario isn't just my figures, but from others as well. I have real life friends and co-workers that play. Some of them have paid money, and some of them haven't paid anything like me. Those like me which have played long enough and haven't paid notice the same thing I notice. Especially in off-time hours. Those that have paid have the opposite effect happen with them. It wasn't actually my hypothesis in the first place, but a co-worker who noticed it first. Then we did what sampling we could. Most of which was done using deck-tracker software to help with the sampling. Again I state that it is a very small sample size with limited players, about me and 3 others. It was data for about a week's worth of playing so about 100 or less games per person so just under 400 games if I remember. When were trying to figure out why some of us had rotten luck, me and one other guy, and the other 2 didn't have the same rotten luck, that was the conclusion we came to.

Again, if Blizzard released all their captured meta data this would be a breeze to figure out. But they don't. I can't figure out one good reason why Blizzard wouldn't release those stats either.
 

Vivendi

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Nov 21, 2013
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Lol I had a hunter BM me today all game. He's ahead on board the whole time but still roping right till the end every turn. Eventually he takes me down to 1 HP and then ropes. I figure he's going to kill me right at the end but he ends the turn leaving me at 1. I guess he thought he was safe with an explosive trap up and a full board while I only had 1 card in hand. He didn't see the Barnes into Rag into Faceless Rag into 2x 8 dmg to the face lethal coming though.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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Lol I had a hunter BM me today all game. He's ahead on board the whole time but still roping right till the end every turn. Eventually he takes me down to 1 HP and then ropes. I figure he's going to kill me right at the end but he ends the turn leaving me at 1. I guess he thought he was safe with an explosive trap up and a full board while I only had 1 card in hand. He didn't see the Barnes into Rag into Faceless Rag into 2x 8 dmg to the face lethal coming though.
It nice to see karma exists in the virtual world too.
 

jman19

Lifer
Nov 3, 2000
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Don't recall seeing it here, expansion releases tomorrow.

Huh, knew it was coming but didn't know it was on our doorstep. Thanks for the heads up. I haven't played in like a month - meta was stale.
 

Vivendi

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Nov 21, 2013
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I've only got around 3000 something saved up. There's no cardback with the preorder so I didn't get it since I'd rather get packs through google as they're cheaper.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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There is a set of probably time limited quest to get victories for each faction that will net you 6 free packs.
 

lupi

Lifer
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Oh, and don't open your packs yet. Blizz looking into reports that the pack algorithm has gone workers.
 

lupi

Lifer
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That was supposed to be "wonkers".

And the issue is the card selection algorithm seems to be highly fond of tripspec cards. so people are going through the pre-order packs and getting 6 legendaries, with 4 or 5 duplicates, along with a dozen of the same common.
 

JTsyo

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Nov 18, 2007
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Just played against a Murloc shaman, I was dead on turn 4. That's going to be tough to defend if they get the right cards.

EDIT: Found the card that did me in:
Everyfin is Awesome
 
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CalebRockeT

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I opened ~125 packs immediately after the packs became available for purchase from the store. I wasn't terribly displeased with my original outcome. I pulled 7 legendaries (only one duplicate). Nonetheless, since I opened my packs in the window that they had issues, Blizz awarded me 42 free packs. In those packs I pulled 2 legendaries (one of which was a crappy golden legendary duplicate, +1600 dust). Feeling super pleased overall.
 

jman19

Lifer
Nov 3, 2000
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Haven't bothered dipping my feet in to this xpac yet, from the sound of things Jade Druid and Pirate Warrior are just shredding the meta. Hooray?
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Haven't bothered dipping my feet in to this xpac yet, from the sound of things Jade Druid and Pirate Warrior are just shredding the meta. Hooray?

Jade druid, goon paladin, dragon priest, and pirate rogue are basically the decks I see. Out of every 10 games it is basically 4 druids, 3 pallies, 2 priests, and the occasional rogue more often than the less occasional shaman or hunter. Haven't seen a single mage and only 2 taunt warriors.
 

Fallen Kell

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Oct 9, 1999
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Yeah, I got crap for legendaries from my 120 or so packs. I think I pulled 5 legendaries (no dupes at least). I think only 1 was class based (the warlock one), the others were neutral (unique spell if no dupes in deck, draw cards until you don't draw a dragon, and something else I can't remember). I crafted the neutral 5/3 jade legendary from some of the dust I had.

That all being said, I think paladin and thief made out the best from these new cards. The combination with their existing cards and the new ones seem to be some of the strongest hands.
 

Vivendi

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Nov 21, 2013
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I haven't even bought packs yet. I tried to buy on Android but it won't let me since I'm overseas right now. I gave them a call and they basically said change my country in google settings and then use a credit card, meaning I can't use the balance I have already in my Google Acc (around 200 CAD).

I'll probably end up using a proxy to get the packs but I haven't really been playing too much. Not many of the new cards seem too exciting.
 

jana519

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Jul 12, 2014
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I have two Hearthstone accounts I no longer use. Don't have the time to play much and I didn't really get into the MSOG after opening 100 packs. Guess I lost my passion, would be willing to get rid of them both. PM me if you're interested.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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So this might be old news but I just figured it out. You can silence the minion from Barnes to get it back to full stats. I have Barnes in my Druid deck with big minions, really hoping that it would pull either Rag or Yersa. I had it pull another minion and had the owl in hand so I figured, I would give it a shot.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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So this might be old news but I just figured it out. You can silence the minion from Barnes to get it back to full stats. I have Barnes in my Druid deck with big minions, really hoping that it would pull either Rag or Yersa. I had it pull another minion and had the owl in hand so I figured, I would give it a shot.

That is because the minion pulled out by barnes basically has "barnes effect" when you hover over it. Silencing removes all effects on the card plus any card text. That has always been the case. Have a frozen minion? It's a minion with the "freeze effect" and silencing it removes all effects which would make a frozen minion no longer frozen once silenced.
 
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