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lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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There's no conspiracy, they are openly shifting their product model to support the streamers/pro players. If i wanted to waste absurd amounts of money to momentarily stay bleeding edge, I'd have picked up magic. That is not what this game was at release nor for the first year or so. It has become such a cash cow for the company that chasing the profit level has become the unnamed member of the dev team.
 

Concillian

Diamond Member
May 26, 2004
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so if you dust your normal rag and sylvana, get golden versions, and then recraft them after you'll end up with more dust than you started with once these changes go live?

Yah, just did the math. Basically get about 400 dust per for doing that.

-1600 initial normal cost
+400 for dusting normal
-3200 for crafting gold
+3200 for dust refund
+1600 for dusting gold
-1600 for crafting normal again

Which means you are only -1200 in the hole for crafting a normal rag or sylvana instead of -1600 for each. Which means you "make" 400 dust in the end for each.

This only works on rag and sylvana because gold legendaries are disenchanted for half their value instead of 1/4 their value unlike anything else in the game. Besides commons which are 1/8th their value.

Your math is off. It's really simple:

If you have the non-golden legendary card and do nothing, you'll get +1600 dust
If you craft golden, then -3200 to craft, +3200 refund since the refund will apply to the golden and not the non-golden (at this point you're at net zero). Then you dust the golden and end up at +1600... This is exactly the same place you'd be if you didn't craft the golden.

If you don't have Sylv or Rag, then you can get a bonus by crafting them, since you would have received zero otherwise, and this way you end up at +1600. But this only benefits all three of the people with 6400 spare dust and no Sylv or Rag.

Commons however, end up at +10 dust per, so you can technically end up at +60 dust by crafting the golden commons, then DEing them after the free dust is handed out.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Your math is off. It's really simple:

If you have the non-golden legendary card and do nothing, you'll get +1600 dust
If you craft golden, then -3200 to craft, +3200 refund since the refund will apply to the golden and not the non-golden (at this point you're at net zero). Then you dust the golden and end up at +1600... This is exactly the same place you'd be if you didn't craft the golden.

If you don't have Sylv or Rag, then you can get a bonus by crafting them, since you would have received zero otherwise, and this way you end up at +1600. But this only benefits all three of the people with 6400 spare dust and no Sylv or Rag.

Commons however, end up at +10 dust per, so you can technically end up at +60 dust by crafting the golden commons, then DEing them after the free dust is handed out.

You will only get the refund for ONE of them and right now the assumption is the first one obtained. So if you already have a normal Rag and craft a golden Rag you'll ONLY get +1600 dust for the normal rag. You'll be in the whole for the crafted golden.

My scenario is dusting your current normal rag, crafting a golden version, getting the refund on the golden one which is now your only one when the refund happens, dusting that gold one, and recrafting the normal one again. This way you end up "gaining' 400 dust in the end as my math above showed.

You won't get more dust through the refund than for cards you max put in your deck. so for legendaries you can get refund for only ONE.
 

desura

Diamond Member
Mar 22, 2013
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When can we expect the next expansion? If they're releasing 3 a year that makes it April?
 

quikah

Diamond Member
Apr 7, 2003
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The state of the current constructed meta makes me not even care. The game just isn't fun right now on ladder. Game is WAY too fast. I don't have faith in them fixing this, even the nerfs that are incoming won't really change anything IMO.

Arena is fairly fun, but can get a bit expensive.
 

Concillian

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May 26, 2004
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You will only get the refund for ONE of them and right now the assumption is the first one obtained. So if you already have a normal Rag and craft a golden Rag you'll ONLY get +1600 dust for the normal rag. You'll be in the whole for the crafted golden.

My scenario is dusting your current normal rag, crafting a golden version, getting the refund on the golden one which is now your only one when the refund happens, dusting that gold one, and recrafting the normal one again. This way you end up "gaining' 400 dust in the end as my math above showed.

You won't get more dust through the refund than for cards you max put in your deck. so for legendaries you can get refund for only ONE.

You get full crafting dust value for your "best" card. If you have a regular and golden, they'll give you dust for the golden. https://twitter.com/bdbrode/status/832304105624178688

So if you have a regular Rag, you'll get 1600
If you have a regular and golden Rag, you'll get 3200

It costs 3200 to craft golden rag and you get 1600 to disenchant. They give you 3200. The net is +1600, same as you'd get if you never crafted the golden.

In your example, you are at a net loss compared to just keeping the non-golden and never crafting the golden. You would have gotten +1600 dust if you did nothing, but after all of your crafting and disenchanting, you're only at +400. This is 1200 less dust than the 1600 you'd get by just sitting on the regular one and never doing anything.
 

quikah

Diamond Member
Apr 7, 2003
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This brawl is pretty stupid. Literally a coin flip. Paladin can turn 1 kill easily.
 
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HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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You get full crafting dust value for your "best" card. If you have a regular and golden, they'll give you dust for the golden. https://twitter.com/bdbrode/status/832304105624178688

So if you have a regular Rag, you'll get 1600
If you have a regular and golden Rag, you'll get 3200

It costs 3200 to craft golden rag and you get 1600 to disenchant. They give you 3200. The net is +1600, same as you'd get if you never crafted the golden.

In your example, you are at a net loss compared to just keeping the non-golden and never crafting the golden. You would have gotten +1600 dust if you did nothing, but after all of your crafting and disenchanting, you're only at +400. This is 1200 less dust than the 1600 you'd get by just sitting on the regular one and never doing anything.

Don't know if they are giving it for "best" or "first"... If it is best then there is no need to dust the normal if you have it. If they do the first/only one that you have then you can still make 400 dust my way.

Either way people can make extra dust, if they have some extra dust already to craft golden legendaries.
 

Concillian

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Don't know if they are giving it for "best" or "first"... If it is best then there is no need to dust the normal if you have it. If they do the first/only one that you have then you can still make 400 dust my way.

1) the twitter post from Brode says the golden will take priority. It's not the only confirmation.
2) even if it didn't your way makes 1200 LESS DUST than just keeping your normal. You don't need to DE what you have, you just get 1600 dust by not ever DEing or crafting anything, your math ends up 1200 dust WORSE than doing nothing at all.
 

Vivendi

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Nov 21, 2013
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I haven't played nor looked at HS news for a week due to constant travelling. Was surprised when I finally saw the announcement. First thing I did is craft golden Syl and Rag. Am glad they're finally taking some steps to change the game, though personally I feel that cards like Syl and Rag were never the problem. I'd rather that they took some steps to slow the game way down so that we actually get to see turn 10 some games.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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1) the twitter post from Brode says the golden will take priority. It's not the only confirmation.
2) even if it didn't your way makes 1200 LESS DUST than just keeping your normal. You don't need to DE what you have, you just get 1600 dust by not ever DEing or crafting anything, your math ends up 1200 dust WORSE than doing nothing at all.

No. you aren't understanding the math properly.

If you have a normal legendary that you crafted..it means you are in the hole -1600 dust. That is the cost to craft it. If the golden doesn't take priority, and the initial news release didn't state that it does, then dusting the normal, making gold, getting refund, dusting gold, and remaking normal nets a positive +400. Meaning that you made 400 dust.

But since official channels have stated that the gold takes priority, then there isn't a need to do that method.
 

Concillian

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No. you aren't understanding the math properly.

If you have a normal legendary that you crafted..it means you are in the hole -1600 dust. That is the cost to craft it. If the golden doesn't take priority, and the initial news release didn't state that it does, then dusting the normal, making gold, getting refund, dusting gold, and remaking normal nets a positive +400. Meaning that you made 400 dust.

But since official channels have stated that the gold takes priority, then there isn't a need to do that method.

+400 (dusting)
-3200 (crafting golden) (-2800 total)
+3200 (golden refund) (+400 total)
+1600 (dusting golden) (+2000 total)
-1600 craft normal (+400 total)
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sum total = 400 dust

Now don't dust normal....

+1600 (refund) (+1600 total)
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sum total = 1600 dust

so by disenchanting normal and crafting golden you end up with 1200 less dust than you would have if you did nothing. I'm not misunderstanding the math. That's the way if works. You can't end up positive over just not doing anything. Whether golden cards take priority or not, you are, at best, breaking even by crafting the golden version. The ONLY time it would be advantageous to craft golden is if you don't have the legendary at all and have 3200 dust spare to craft the golden... And very, very few people are in that situation.

You can choose to start the problem at -1600 by crafting normal, but the end result is the same, there's still going to be 1200 less dust doing it your way.
 

jman19

Lifer
Nov 3, 2000
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Decided to log back in last night and check out the state of the game. Hadn't played since... September or October?

Had a bunch of gold and dust, so got some of the new cards.

Already bored of the meta. Blizzard hasn't learned anything. Half of the decks are basically like playing solitaire. Bleh.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Ungoro announced.

https://youtu.be/xAHwjbKQi04


New unit type elemental, includes older cards renamed.

New ability adapt, brings discovery to battlecries.

New card type, quest. If you complete the requirements you get OP cards (from what has been shown so far)
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Just crossed 12000 gold. Guess I should buy a bunch of card packs as I need the dust for slyv and rag to get the free dust next week when they go away.
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
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I made an account and logged in, but wasn't clear whether I got the bonus above. Saw no mention of it; it only is playing some tutorial campaign.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Noticed the same on a referral account. I know Wednesday is a free gold card, so that is a key day pre expansion.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Going through and buying packs and picked up a gold Raza the Chained, don't really play priest so wondering if this is a good card to keep?
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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have gone through about 7500 gold so far, getting more legendaries this way than I ever did by spending actual money. Just picked up 3 dupes so that is pure dust, also got a gold Nozdormu so that will likely be dusted. Without dusting non dupes, have 8000 dust so enough for gold rag & sylv easy. Have 2 golds for the other 4 (8 hand limit) cards going out, so need 2400 there. So probably nuke gold norz to get me enough to gold the rest and save remaining gold for next expansion cards. Then just have to remember to dust all these gold cards after the changeover.
 

Vivendi

Senior member
Nov 21, 2013
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I haven't even got 1k gold saved up this time... I think I played just the one game in Feb to get the cardback. Didn't play in March at all either except on the 31st, surprisingly I managed to climb to rank 8 in one sitting with Jade Druid till the servers reset.. such an autopilot deck.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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have gone through about 7500 gold so far, getting more legendaries this way than I ever did by spending actual money. Just picked up 3 dupes so that is pure dust, also got a gold Nozdormu so that will likely be dusted. Without dusting non dupes, have 8000 dust so enough for gold rag & sylv easy. Have 2 golds for the other 4 (8 hand limit) cards going out, so need 2400 there. So probably nuke gold norz to get me enough to gold the rest and save remaining gold for next expansion cards. Then just have to remember to dust all these gold cards after the changeover.
Was that really the best use of the gold? I guess you do get the golden cards for wild use but wouldn't you have rather had 75 packs of the new expansion?
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Only bought 20 old packs (got 2 leg and 1 gold leg), rest was from current expansion. Already at almost 4k gold still, have a bunch of ungo packs waiting to be opened, and will have over 10k dust added at end of the week.
 
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