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Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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Only did arena once. Went 0/3 but I was forced DC exploited every game I was about to win. So.... I haven't done arena in awhile. I got 360 gold saved up though. Didn't have any force DC's this weekend the few times I played. So I'm hoping Blizz fixed the exploit.

Hmm I hadn't heard about that. I was watching TB's unadultered stream VoD, and there was a rather ridiculous number of rage disconnect quits. I don't know if he just edits them out, but I don't think I had seen one before the open beta.
 

Dumac

Diamond Member
Dec 31, 2005
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1
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I finally tried the open beta...man this game is really awful in my opinion. It is so dumbed down and near brainless.

No land
No colored mana
Auto-managed mana
No discrete phases
Lack of any sort of trickery or any kind
Lack of attacking/blocking mechanic
Creatures can target whoever they want
Heavy handed taunt mechanic as a result of the above

Really, the whole thing is just unexciting and shallow. Put the horrible WoW characters, art, and juvenile humor (TOYNRS DOYNE) on top, and it gets even worse. This is obviously a game made for kids - baby's first TCG. That isn't even getting into balance issues or P2W mechanics.
 

jimrawr

Senior member
Mar 4, 2003
888
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I finally tried the open beta...man this game is really awful in my opinion. It is so dumbed down and near brainless.

No land
No colored mana
Auto-managed mana
No discrete phases
Lack of any sort of trickery or any kind
Lack of attacking/blocking mechanic
Creatures can target whoever they want
Heavy handed taunt mechanic as a result of the above

Really, the whole thing is just unexciting and shallow. Put the horrible WoW characters, art, and juvenile humor (TOYNRS DOYNE) on top, and it gets even worse. This is obviously a game made for kids - baby's first TCG. That isn't even getting into balance issues or P2W mechanics.

Instead of colored mana they uses class specific cards. No lands = Cant get mana screwed. Not having instants means you lose a lot of interaction with opponent, and that does make the game a lot more simple. All TCGs are P2W FYI

Sounds like you wanted a MTG clone.
 

Majes

Golden Member
Apr 8, 2008
1,164
148
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I finally tried the open beta...man this game is really awful in my opinion. It is so dumbed down and near brainless.

No land
No colored mana
Auto-managed mana
No discrete phases
Lack of any sort of trickery or any kind
Lack of attacking/blocking mechanic
Creatures can target whoever they want
Heavy handed taunt mechanic as a result of the above

Really, the whole thing is just unexciting and shallow. Put the horrible WoW characters, art, and juvenile humor (TOYNRS DOYNE) on top, and it gets even worse. This is obviously a game made for kids - baby's first TCG. That isn't even getting into balance issues or P2W mechanics.

I agree. Game is VERY simple compared to most card games... Have you tried Hex? I have alpha downloaded and installed but haven't really explored it yet.
 

Kev

Lifer
Dec 17, 2001
16,367
4
81
What are your ranks in constructed? I've been floating around 12 but going back and forth with different decks trying to figure out what I like. I think if I settled on one and practiced it I could climb a little higher.

I'm just trying to figure out where that puts me overall percentile-wise.
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
27,024
79
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25, but I've only played one ranked constructed since the inclusion of this new ranking system. I much prefer the "randomness" of Arena. I also only played drafts in MTG.
 

Kev

Lifer
Dec 17, 2001
16,367
4
81
I suck ass at arena, I need to farm ranked to get enough gold to even buy an arena ticket.
 

Dumac

Diamond Member
Dec 31, 2005
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I agree. Game is VERY simple compared to most card games... Have you tried Hex? I have alpha downloaded and installed but haven't really explored it yet.

No, I haven't. I'll check it out.

Instead of colored mana they uses class specific cards.

That isn't really the same thing. Class specific cards just limit build diversity and experimentation, which is one of the best things about a TCG. Instead you are put on rails.

No lands = Cant get mana screwed.

Sure, but it also means less build diversity and less unique and interesting things that you can DO with your mana. No real mana ramping, no control over how much mana you have.

Its just one less thing to consider in the goal to make a gross oversimplification of the genre.

All TCGs are P2W FYI

With constructed, that true. But that is why limited play exists like sealed or draft play. I don't know if hearthstone has either of these. Also, the simple power gap between cards is a lot larger in hearthstone.

In other games, even commons or uncommons could be exceptionally good. You should be able to make at least a good deck even without any hugely rare of super powerful cards. But in Hearthstone, your entire deck could be easily outclassed by another individual.

Sounds like you wanted a MTG clone.

I think MTG is better, but no I didn't want a clone. I just wanted a game of rival depth, intricacy, potential, and enjoyability.
 
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smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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^Hearthstone has a draft. It is called arena. I agree that the overall gameplay is simplified compared to MTG, but the depth shouldn't really be judged right now. It is in beta. There aren't many cards.

The more simple nature of the way mana works allows better strategic building in the short term (which is what gamers are into now). They don't want to have to put in hours figuring out all the possible weaknesses of their deck and the near endless great combinations they have to account for. They are working on this.

Also, card balancing does favor the legendaries, at the moment, but as more cards and entered and the game is better balanced, that will change. And, with this being only online and with no marketplace (yet), balancing cards isn't a huge deal. Sure, it might "ruin" your favorite deck, but that deck didn't cost you $500 and you don't have to go buy the new version of your card because the OP version you have is antiquated.

At first, I assumed constructed would be just as P2W as MTG currently is. However, it is a bit better. Rather than P2W, it is more like P2W sooner, skipping the grind to craft the better cards.
 

Udgnim

Diamond Member
Apr 16, 2008
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pulled Sylvanas from an Arena pack then pulled Bloodmage Thalnos from the a follow up Arena pack

my constructed skill level has increased
 

Clinkster

Senior member
Aug 5, 2009
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I finally tried the open beta...man this game is really awful in my opinion. It is so dumbed down and near brainless.

No land
No colored mana
Auto-managed mana
No discrete phases
Lack of any sort of trickery or any kind
Lack of attacking/blocking mechanic
Creatures can target whoever they want
Heavy handed taunt mechanic as a result of the above

Really, the whole thing is just unexciting and shallow. Put the horrible WoW characters, art, and juvenile humor (TOYNRS DOYNE) on top, and it gets even worse. This is obviously a game made for kids - baby's first TCG. That isn't even getting into balance issues or P2W mechanics.

Agreed on every point, I've uninstalled and will not look back.
 

nataku00

Senior member
Dec 5, 2004
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What are your ranks in constructed? I've been floating around 12 but going back and forth with different decks trying to figure out what I like. I think if I settled on one and practiced it I could climb a little higher.

I'm just trying to figure out where that puts me overall percentile-wise.

Only rank 20 from workiing on quests. I have a decent collection of cards as I mainly play arena and usually manage between 5-7 wins with some better runs mixed to develop my collection.
 

Midwayman

Diamond Member
Jan 28, 2000
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Its just one less thing to consider in the goal to make a gross oversimplification of the genre.
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In other games, even commons or uncommons could be exceptionally good. You should be able to make at least a good deck even without any hugely rare of super powerful cards. But in Hearthstone, your entire deck could be easily outclassed by another individual.

Hearthstone is a grossly simplified version of a CCG. However it will probably do well with its intended audience. Unfortunately the more complex interaction of instants, etc mean lots of waiting while your opponent decides to play a card or not. I'd still rather play duel of the planewalkers though.

I agree with rare=straight out better in hearthstone too. Its pretty disappointing. Rare should mean highly situational. Its powerful if you happen to get all the right cards, not better stats straight across the board.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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I agree with rare=straight out better in hearthstone too. Its pretty disappointing. Rare should mean highly situational. Its powerful if you happen to get all the right cards, not better stats straight across the board.

It was exactly like that in MTG. Moxes/Lotus/Dual Lands/etc. Pretty much everything on the banned/restricted list was rare.
 

Dumac

Diamond Member
Dec 31, 2005
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It was exactly like that in MTG. Moxes/Lotus/Dual Lands/etc. Pretty much everything on the banned/restricted list was rare.

No, that's not how MTG is. A few rares are great always, but most of them are very situational, and some extremely bad 99% of the time.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
55,418
1,599
126
No, that's not how MTG is. A few rares are great always, but most of them are very situational, and some extremely bad 99% of the time.

I'm not convinced it any different in hearthstone. The overwhelming majority of rares I've gotten suck balls.
 

Tweak155

Lifer
Sep 23, 2003
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I don't like the SECRET cards. The simplified land aspect is fine, but being able to defend to your choosing is probably better. They kind of "emulate" that with taunt cards but it's still not the same.
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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I don't like the SECRET cards. The simplified land aspect is fine, but being able to defend to your choosing is probably better. They kind of "emulate" that with taunt cards but it's still not the same.

Originally, taunt was going to work more like that, but a bug had it work as it does now and the developers liked it.

I don't mind the secrets, except the majority of them don't seem very good.
 

Midwayman

Diamond Member
Jan 28, 2000
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I'm not convinced it any different in hearthstone. The overwhelming majority of rares I've gotten suck balls.

I wouldn't say the ones I've gotten are great, but for the power costs they usually have had average stats + some ability. Of course I haven't haven't have had an orange or purple yet.
 

jimrawr

Senior member
Mar 4, 2003
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No, I haven't. I'll check it out.



That isn't really the same thing. Class specific cards just limit build diversity and experimentation, which is one of the best things about a TCG. Instead you are put on rails.



Sure, but it also means less build diversity and less unique and interesting things that you can DO with your mana. No real mana ramping, no control over how much mana you have.

Its just one less thing to consider in the goal to make a gross oversimplification of the genre.



With constructed, that true. But that is why limited play exists like sealed or draft play. I don't know if hearthstone has either of these. Also, the simple power gap between cards is a lot larger in hearthstone.

In other games, even commons or uncommons could be exceptionally good. You should be able to make at least a good deck even without any hugely rare of super powerful cards. But in Hearthstone, your entire deck could be easily outclassed by another individual.



I think MTG is better, but no I didn't want a clone. I just wanted a game of rival depth, intricacy, potential, and enjoyability.

Fair enough. I think you assessment is accurate. MTG is overall a much better TCG game, and I agree to that.

Hearthstone has its own merits, one of them being how much BETTER it functions than that pile of crap MTGO online, which looks like it was developed in the 80s. The new beta version is even worse.

Dont know why Wizards is so incompetent when it comes to their online game.
 
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