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lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Lol. That would be one of the reasons rag is considered the best legendary, you silence him and all it does is make him an 8-8 giant.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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what a crappy night. start off with a hand tht I keep a 3, get a 6-5 on redraw and the next 5 cards are 6-6-5-4-5. Other than my 8 pretty sure that was the bulk of my 5+ in that deck.

then against another damn mage stacked with legendaries. he had to play 2 ice armors, all 6 freeze the board cards along with the 2 ice blocks, and after all that I have 2 cards left to draw and have him at 2 health, and he plays alex, talk about a fudge me.
 

Fallen Kell

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Yeah, I played one a warrior last night that I don't think played more than 2-3 cards that weren't rare, epic, or legendary. But I had a very good draw all game and still won. I was a hunter, played second so I had the coin. He played a give your character 3 attack (forget how much) and hit me to start the round. I took a chance and played the coin and the 2/1 draw card when you play a beast. He played a 3/2 minion. I got my scavenging hyena as a draw, and played that, and killed his 3/2 with the other card, which the scavenging hyena then gained 2/1 to make it 4/3. He played a 2/3 + 3 damage when enraged. I played a 3/3 taunt bear, and attacked his hero with the hyena. He then played a do 2 damage to 2 random minions, and then a do 1 damage to all minions, which enraged his minion and killed both of mine, and then he attacks me. I then play a 1/4 taunt and a 1/1 wolf that gives beasts +1 attack. He plays a 5/2 weapon and kills my taunt, and then attacks my hero with his 5/2 enraged minion. I play another 2/1 draw card when beast is played and then play and a summon random beast which becomes a 2/4 +1 attack for minions, and then I kill his 5/2 with my 1/1 wolf (which became 2/1). He kills my 2/4 minion with his weapon and then plays a golden epic or legendary that I don't remember (4/4 enrage maybe?). I play a taszzdinga and a 2/2 alpha wolf + 1 to adjacent minions, and attack his character with the 2/1 (now 3/1 draw card when playing beast). He plays his other do 2 damage to 2 enemies, which kills the alpha wolf, and hits the taszzzdinga), and plays a kill damaged minion, then hits me with his minion. I then played a stream of low level beasts (which is where I got lucky since every beast I played I drew a card and it was another beast card) putting like 5 minions including two 3/2's, a 3/3 bear taunt, a 1/4 taunt, and a 1/1 wolf +1 damage all beasts. He then proceeded to play a stream of cards which essentially wipe most of the board, but in the process he used his other kill damaged minion card, leaving me just with a 2/1 draw card when beast is played, and he now has a 5/3 card that gains attack when minions are damaged. I get play an explosive 2 damage all enemys when attacked, and attack his 5/3 with my 2/1 minion (his other minion was down to 4/2). He then plays a 5/2 charge (trying to go for the kill) only to have my explosive secret wipe the board. He plays a gain 5 armor + draw cards. I play a summon random beast and get a 4/4 taunt a 2/7 breast and hit him with my hero power. He plays 3 legendaries, the indiana jones, a gelding, and something else I don't remember, but low mana (2 or 3 cost). I play the who let the dogs out, 2 times, making my 4/4 taunt an 8/8 taunt and hit his hero and use my hero power to do 2 more damage getting him down to 2 health, he plays the legendary that replaces your hero with the legendary giving him a 3 attack and 15 health again. and proceeds to kill my taunt with the 3 legendaries he has on the board and summons some 6/6 with his new hero power. I kill the 6/6 with my remaining minions on the board and pull out rag (my only legendary), and a 2/2 taunt. Rag hits his hero for 8 damage (it was the only thing on the board). He plays yesa (whatever that legendary dragon is that gives the dream cards) and a 2/4 and another 6/6 from his hero power and kills the 2/2 taunt with his hero (trying to rely on the fact that rag only had a 25% chance of hitting him. So I play a 4/3 silence and silence rag for the win

(sorry... wall of text)
 
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lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Heard someone mention that they thing with the number of peeps going back to D3, they think the pro to newb ratio in hearthstone has been shifted notable in favor of the pro.
 

Kev

Lifer
Dec 17, 2001
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Yeah, I played one a warrior last night that I don't think played more than 2-3 cards that weren't rare, epic, or legendary. But I had a very good draw all game and still won. I was a hunter, played second so I had the coin. He played a give your character 3 attack (forget how much) and hit me to start the round. I took a chance and played the coin and the 2/1 draw card when you play a beast. He played a 3/2 minion. I got my scavenging hyena as a draw, and played that, and killed his 3/2 with the other card, which the scavenging hyena then gained 2/1 to make it 4/3. He played a 2/3 + 3 damage when enraged. I played a 3/3 taunt bear, and attacked his hero with the hyena. He then played a do 2 damage to 2 random minions, and then a do 1 damage to all minions, which enraged his minion and killed both of mine, and then he attacks me. I then play a 1/4 taunt and a 1/1 wolf that gives beasts +1 attack. He plays a 5/2 weapon and kills my taunt, and then attacks my hero with his 5/2 enraged minion. I play another 2/1 draw card when beast is played and then play and a summon random beast which becomes a 2/4 +1 attack for minions, and then I kill his 5/2 with my 1/1 wolf (which became 2/1). He kills my 2/4 minion with his weapon and then plays a golden epic or legendary that I don't remember (4/4 enrage maybe?). I play a taszzdinga and a 2/2 alpha wolf + 1 to adjacent minions, and attack his character with the 2/1 (now 3/1 draw card when playing beast). He plays his other do 2 damage to 2 enemies, which kills the alpha wolf, and hits the taszzzdinga), and plays a kill damaged minion, then hits me with his minion. I then played a stream of low level beasts (which is where I got lucky since every beast I played I drew a card and it was another beast card) putting like 5 minions including two 3/2's, a 3/3 bear taunt, a 1/4 taunt, and a 1/1 wolf +1 damage all beasts. He then proceeded to play a stream of cards which essentially wipe most of the board, but in the process he used his other kill damaged minion card, leaving me just with a 2/1 draw card when beast is played, and he now has a 5/3 card that gains attack when minions are damaged. I get play an explosive 2 damage all enemys when attacked, and attack his 5/3 with my 2/1 minion (his other minion was down to 4/2). He then plays a 5/2 charge (trying to go for the kill) only to have my explosive secret wipe the board. He plays a gain 5 armor + draw cards. I play a summon random beast and get a 4/4 taunt a 2/7 breast and hit him with my hero power. He plays 3 legendaries, the indiana jones, a gelding, and something else I don't remember, but low mana (2 or 3 cost). I play the who let the dogs out, 2 times, making my 4/4 taunt an 8/8 taunt and hit his hero and use my hero power to do 2 more damage getting him down to 2 health, he plays the legendary that replaces your hero with the legendary giving him a 3 attack and 15 health again. and proceeds to kill my taunt with the 3 legendaries he has on the board and summons some 6/6 with his new hero power. I kill the 6/6 with my remaining minions on the board and pull out rag (my only legendary), and a 2/2 taunt. Rag hits his hero for 8 damage (it was the only thing on the board). He plays yesa (whatever that legendary dragon is that gives the dream cards) and a 2/4 and another 6/6 from his hero power and kills the 2/2 taunt with his hero (trying to rely on the fact that rag only had a 25% chance of hitting him. So I play a 4/3 silence and silence rag for the win

(sorry... wall of text)

Not sure why I just read all that
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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seriously this game has gone to fricken the poopie bag. do an arena run then go to play mode to finish up a quest, and even around 20 its moron after moron with mostly gold decks full of legendaries/epics. WTF this scrubs so bad that even after spending all day in mommies basement playing and pumping in all this money they can't rnk higher than that.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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seriously this game has gone to fricken the poopie bag. do an arena run then go to play mode to finish up a quest, and even around 20 its moron after moron with mostly gold decks full of legendaries/epics. WTF this scrubs so bad that even after spending all day in mommies basement playing and pumping in all this money they can't rnk higher than that.

You bitter, bitter man. Play the game if you're having fun with it. If not stop playing for awhile.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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The game was fun during the beta period. It's turned into a wreck lately and it's a shame. Currently outside of arena there is no real reason to play unless you've put a large quantity of money or time into it, which goes against the design of the game in being able to log in for a short time every now and then to have a fun experience.
 

Rhezuss

Diamond Member
Jan 31, 2006
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The game was fun during the beta period. It's turned into a wreck lately and it's a shame. Currently outside of arena there is no real reason to play unless you've put a large quantity of money or time into it, which goes against the design of the game in being able to log in for a short time every now and then to have a fun experience.

I'm starting to feel the same way but the game still offers different play modes. Don't really know about Casual play and there's probably decks filled with legendaries there too but maybe you should try it?

I mostly play Ranked and like you I feel the game changed since april. Dunno what is going on but the game is becoming less fun by the day. I'm still logging in from time to time but I log out as soon as I have a win cause I don't want to feel bitter and frustrated after playing a game and that's how HS makes me feel more and more...sad but true.

So now it's typically: log in, play games, lose many, win one, log out frustrated.

Before it was: log in, play and have fun, win many games, lose some, log out happy.
 

Kev

Lifer
Dec 17, 2001
16,367
4
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The game was fun during the beta period. It's turned into a wreck lately and it's a shame. Currently outside of arena there is no real reason to play unless you've put a large quantity of money or time into it, which goes against the design of the game in being able to log in for a short time every now and then to have a fun experience.

They need to come up with different game modes. Ranked play is annoying because once you get to a certain level it's basically just an elaborate game of rock paper scissors.

Arena is annoying because you can get completely f'd by your card selection to the point where even attempting to play it is a waste of time.
 

Fallen Kell

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
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They need to come up with different game modes. Ranked play is annoying because once you get to a certain level it's basically just an elaborate game of rock paper scissors.

Arena is annoying because you can get completely f'd by your card selection to the point where even attempting to play it is a waste of time.

Exactly. They should just let you choose any card available. Maybe have some type of point system (i.e. commons are worth 1 point, rare 2, epic 3, etc.).
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Its getting that way. Yes you can still lose with legendaries, and I've beating a lot of people with the legend count strongly in their favor. But having a lot of the best legendaries in your deck helps you immensely overcome some of the other factors in the game like RNG.

Seeing 11-12 legendaries over the span of 3 matches while your deck has none, puts you very behind on the RNG curve.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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I play an average of 3-10 games/night, and I have only encountered 1 deck stacked with legendaries.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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Its getting that way. Yes you can still lose with legendaries, and I've beating a lot of people with the legend count strongly in their favor. But having a lot of the best legendaries in your deck helps you immensely overcome some of the other factors in the game like RNG.

Seeing 11-12 legendaries over the span of 3 matches while your deck has none, puts you very behind on the RNG curve.

Uhh I was saying this awhile ago.

Very few decks do well enough without being chocked full of legendaries and epics to compete with a 50/50 chance of winning. Mage deck is one of those. Even then you need a damn good draw to win those games.

A deck full of legendaries and epics usually smash a deck without. Even with a bad draw, it tends to smash in a few turns due to the relative strength of those cards versus normal cards. Which means if you have a ton of legendaries/epics you be on even footing with other players who have the same deck. If you have a deck full of the good legendaries you'll smash more often than not those without such in their deck.

The power scale is way to unbalanced in this game for some cards versus others.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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I play an average of 3-10 games/night, and I have only encountered 1 deck stacked with legendaries.

Not sure what to tell you. Most of my games tend to go like this.

2nd turn pat nagle for the other guy
3rd turn king mukla
4th turn leeroy jenkins

After that it is a spell card to wipe the opponents board or at least clear a bunch. Then...

6th turn either Cairne Bloodhoof or Hogger
7th turn clear some shit

if you still living
8th turn Ragnaros or Gruul

I see black knight played a lot to kill taunters. I see Illidian Stormrage played pretty often in that line up. Sometimes Leeroy Jenkins is saved on turn 4 if the player has a few extra combo cards to boost his damage.

The only exception I see to that setup is a murloc deck, which still has a few of those legendaries along with all the murlocs. Or a mage deck with pure burn and freeze.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Clearly one of us is the outlier.

I run into miracle priests way more than stacked legendary decks.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Well there are several of us talking about multiple quality legendaries, and you not seeing any.


At this point, if I see another game where on turn four he's dropping his fourth gold card I'll probably just bail since I know next turn or no later than the following it will be a string of legendaries.
 

Kev

Lifer
Dec 17, 2001
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Exactly. They should just let you choose any card available. Maybe have some type of point system (i.e. commons are worth 1 point, rare 2, epic 3, etc.).

Well that would just end up with the same problem as constructed. A few people would figure out the best configurations and then that's all you'd ever see being used. Commence rock paper scissors.

There should at least be some kind of limit to the # of a certain card you can draft, and some of the rarities need to be fixed. There should not be mages with 6 fireballs and 3 flamestrikes, or huntards with 5 unleash the skills.
 

Kev

Lifer
Dec 17, 2001
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I play an average of 3-10 games/night, and I have only encountered 1 deck stacked with legendaries.

what level are you playing at? At around 5-7 I see a lot of control warriors with their armor bullshit and 7 or 8 legendaries. Along with your standard zoo/watcher druids/huntards
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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what level are you playing at? At around 5-7 I see a lot of control warriors with their armor bullshit and 7 or 8 legendaries. Along with your standard zoo/watcher druids/huntards

around 16. Not high, I know, but peeps are claiming they're meeting stacked legendary decks @ level 20 on a consistent basis.
 

Kev

Lifer
Dec 17, 2001
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around 16. Not high, I know, but peeps are claiming they're meeting stacked legendary decks @ level 20 on a consistent basis.

I believe that. There are a bunch of losers out there who intentionally concede games to keep themselves at 20 so they can farm gold against noobs. It's pathetic.

Bliz could just ban legendaries from the 20+ rank, but then there are still other OP decks that people would switch to to bash noobs with.

It's definitely something they need to fix because they're not going to hook any new iPad players if they all get consistently crushed against real people.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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1,599
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I believe that. There are a bunch of losers out there who intentionally concede games to keep themselves at 20 so they can farm gold against noobs. It's pathetic.

that IS pathetic.
 
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