Hearthstone

[Soccerman06]

Voltron is bonkers, has the ability to 1 turn kill with some classes.

While its a sub in card, its still bonkers to think that you could use 2 rockbiter or a brew and recall it and replay.

 

[Wardawg1001]

Voltron is bonkers, has the ability to 1 turn kill with some classes.

While its a sub in card, its still bonkers to think that you could use 2 rockbiter or a brew and recall it and replay.

It does seem kind of ridiculous. Attacks 4 times per turn for 4 damage, so that's 16 damage. Any class can throw it back to hand with brewmaster and then re-play it same turn for 32 total damage. That's a one-turn-kill for any class.

That's just half of it though. At 4 base damage, any class that can buff its damage by 4 can pull off a one-turn-kill (4 x 8 = 32). Rogue (coldblood), Shaman (rockbiter), Warlock (power overwhelming), and Paladin (blessing of might, blessing of kings) immediately come to mind. I might have missed some classes too. This seems quite strange though, cuz since beta Blizzard has been systematically removing pretty much every set of 'finisher combos' that can burst out 20+ damage from the hand unless it requires a ton of cards (and even some that do require a lot of cards). I feel like they really don't want a meta that revolves around every deck simply derping around until they draw their win condition 20 damage burst combo, but thats exactly what this card introduces - to every class no less.

Now I get that Voltron is a hard card to get on the board. You'd have to be running a heavily mech-based deck, and you have to establish board control with at least 3 mechs on the board. Then the summon card for it costs 5 mana, and your opponent just has to keep your board lower than 3 mechs (or kill the summon card outright) to stop it from coming in to play. But its not as if its a high risk play. It's 5 mana for a 4/5 body, which is certainly not good value stat wise but for the massive payoff you get if it survives, I feel like it should cost more or its stats should be changed. The more practical solution is to just balance the Voltron card though. If it wasn't so ridiculous, the summon card might not need balancing at all.

 

[HumblePie]

Voltron is bonkers, has the ability to 1 turn kill with some classes.

While its a sub in card, its still bonkers to think that you could use 2 rockbiter or a brew and recall it and replay.

Miracle Voltron decks....

Rogue with concealment and a bunch of cheap mech minions = easy way to summon it. Opponent has to have a stealth remover (hunter only right now) or a board clear card.

The new cloaking field cards makes it so other decks have a chance to pull off the combo to summon voltron as well.

This expansion seems like a lot of RNG based effects such as summoning random minions, doing random damage, and having random effects. Just ugh.

 

[darkewaffle]

Ugh, every other card is random this or random that. Brilliant :/

 

[Hacp]

Ugh, every other card is random this or random that. Brilliant :/

There isn't much else you can bring to a game if you can't have user interaction between turns. Maybe they should introduce powerful cards that have a side effect which is to give your opponent a 2 second window to play a spell or use a hero power. That will add alot of complexity.

 

[Firsttime]

Ugh, every other card is random this or random that. Brilliant :/

Apparently the cards they showed were mostly the RNG ones because they're "fun" or something like that. There are high level players who were consulted who have said the cards aren't all like that.

 

[lupi]

That was how the game was orignally programmed and it was all scraped.

 

[HumblePie]

Ugh, I really wish I had recorded my draft yesterday.

Got to pick mage. Was not offered a single spell. Not a SINGLE ONE. Not even ice lance!!!

The most common offering was this trio set: Wisp, Young Dragonhawk, Shieldbearer.

I got offered that almost 15 times in a fucking row!!!!!!! I was like what the fuck is this shit. I had about 5 of each of them in my deck just to have variety.

Lol, I didn't even bother to play that deck. Just hit the retire button and got my shitty pack. What a waste of 150 gold as I got a damn pack and a frost nova for a card as my "extra" and that wasn't worth 50 gold at all.

 

[Wardawg1001]

Apparently the cards they showed were mostly the RNG ones because they're "fun" or something like that. There are high level players who were consulted who have said the cards aren't all like that.

I hadn't heard that, but I had pretty much assumed it. Some level of RNG cards is a good thing, its adds uncertainty to any match and allows for the losing player to get themselves back in the game if it rolls their way. On the other hand, too much RNG leads to frustration. But with 120 new cards coming, and only 30 of them having been revealed (and even those not all RNG based cards), I suspect Blizzard will continue with their current approach of the vast majority of cards not being RNG based.

 

[JTsyo]

I hadn't heard that, but I had pretty much assumed it. Some level of RNG cards is a good thing, its adds uncertainty to any match and allows for the losing player to get themselves back in the game if it rolls their way. On the other hand, too much RNG leads to frustration. But with 120 new cards coming, and only 30 of them having been revealed (and even those not all RNG based cards), I suspect Blizzard will continue with their current approach of the vast majority of cards not being RNG based.

It's already been confirmed that most of the cards aren't RNG based. They just showed these since they figured they were the fun ones.

 

[Kev]

Ugh, I really wish I had recorded my draft yesterday.

Got to pick mage. Was not offered a single spell. Not a SINGLE ONE. Not even ice lance!!!

The most common offering was this trio set: Wisp, Young Dragonhawk, Shieldbearer.

I got offered that almost 15 times in a fucking row!!!!!!! I was like what the fuck is this shit. I had about 5 of each of them in my deck just to have variety.

Lol, I didn't even bother to play that deck. Just hit the retire button and got my shitty pack. What a waste of 150 gold as I got a damn pack and a frost nova for a card as my "extra" and that wasn't worth 50 gold at all.

Why do you keep making this stuff up? It's really odd.

 

[zokudu]

I guess the RNG of those cards are the "theme" of the expansion in a similar vein to deathrattle and the naxx expansion.

I'd be curious if Blizzard does something along the lines of retiring cards from play. Say when they release the 6th expansion retire this original base set, so there a continuous stream of 5 expansions worth of cards. I know some real life TCG's do this and it might help to keep the game fresh if older very powerful cards get retired.

 

[Pheran]

Hi folks, I finally got around to trying this and it is pretty fun. I was a hardcore MtG player way back in the day so it's interesting to see the differences. I'm still learning this game but I have a question - is it worth paying $25 for this Naxxramas thing, or should I just try to save up the in-game gold for that?

 

[Aikouka]

Hi folks, I finally got around to trying this and it is pretty fun. I was a hardcore MtG player way back in the day so it's interesting to see the differences. I'm still learning this game but I have a question - is it worth paying $25 for this Naxxramas thing, or should I just try to save up the in-game gold for that?

If you really want to do ranked play, Naxxramas cards will become more important as you go higher and higher in ranks. At lower ranks, you can pretty much ignore them as you should still be fine. Unfortunately, you came in after they stopped giving away the first wing for free.

 

[Firsttime]

Hi folks, I finally got around to trying this and it is pretty fun. I was a hardcore MtG player way back in the day so it's interesting to see the differences. I'm still learning this game but I have a question - is it worth paying $25 for this Naxxramas thing, or should I just try to save up the in-game gold for that?

If you're going to spend money on the game Naxx is the most efficient way to spend money. You get a shit ton of guaranteed viable cards. Packs are a gamble.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Yeah, it was bad for him...

Turn 8 he stacked the field (and cleared me at the same time), but in the process of his clear, he didn't have a single minion that had over 2 health out there (alpha wolf, the 2/4 falcon+1attack all beasts, the 6/5+deathrattle summon 2x 2/2, a buzzard, a 3/2 dino, and a 4/2 + charge). He didn't expect the lightning storm that wiped him. The next round he played a grisly bear taunt and smacked me with his hero power. I tapped my hero power and played a 3/5+deathrattle 1/2+taunt. He used the do 5 damage with beast card to kill the 3/5 and smacked the 1/2 with his bear, played his second buzzard, and played his hero power.

I then unloaded with KT and resurrected him, which resurrected the one killed. He played a stormwind champ, his first secret, and then went for my face (since he couldn't kill both KT's). I played a deathrattle resummon on one of the KT's, popped out the Cairne, smacked my hero power (getting a 0/2 taunt), and killed the stormwind with the KT that had the deathrattle, and killed the buzzard with the other KT.

I don't remember what he played, but it was essentially his deck of low level minions one with a charge which killed the 0/2 taunt (which resummoned 2 times) (he still had like 28 heath at this point while I was down to 11). I played an essentially free sea giant (which got sniped by his secret) and used the KT that killed the stormwind (which had a deathrattle resummon) to kill one of the minions (the KT died and resummoned), I used the carine to kill another and smacked him for damage with the other KT, and another KT was resummoned from dying, but filled my board (so the second KT that was alive couldn't resummon him a second time). He spammed his hero power and dropped another beast. I killed it with my carnie and killed him with all the KT's and sea giant.

Point of the story, don't get to round 10 against a shaman which has KT, resurrect, and ancestral spirit in his hand, when you don't have 10-16 damage on the board, it doesn't end well for you.

 

[HumblePie]

Why do you keep making this stuff up? It's really odd.

Because I'm not making it up??? That is sometimes what I get for my draft. Which was part of the reason I had tried to record a few of them previously to show I was getting some bonkers crap from this game.

 

[Vivendi]

Because I'm not making it up??? That is sometimes what I get for my draft. Which was part of the reason I had tried to record a few of them previously to show I was getting some bonkers crap from this game.

Why didn't start recording once you got that wisp/shieldbearer/dragonhawk the first five times??? You still would have recorded it showing up another ten times?

As it is now, this sounds highly unbelievable.

 

[HumblePie]

Why didn't start recording once you got that wisp/shieldbearer/dragonhawk the first five times??? You still would have recorded it showing up another ten times?

As it is now, this sounds highly unbelievable.

Because the computer I was playing on that time was different and didn't have my fraps installed?

It was the worst ever arena draft picking setup I've ever encountered and I've had some real bad ones previously.

But that's how RNG works in games. It can be very streaky based on the algorithms used. Which is why many computer game based RNG algorithms try to do a "normalized" RNG method instead. I just got a horrible RNG streak my last arena draft a few days ago.

 

[zokudu]

Because the computer I was playing on that time was different and didn't have my fraps installed?

It was the worst ever arena draft picking setup I've ever encountered and I've had some real bad ones previously.

But that's how RNG works in games. It can be very streaky based on the algorithms used. Which is why many computer game based RNG algorithms try to do a "normalized" RNG method instead. I just got a horrible RNG streak my last arena draft a few days ago.

Why wouldn't you screenshot the deck at least. Something to prove you're not making this up because frankly I don't believe it.

 

[EDUSAN]

once i tried recording my arena run.... but i found it to be useless because i KNOW what mistakes i made almost instantly.

But the worst thing that i see frequently that happens to me is that the enemy plays the better card that he would be able to play at any turn.
for instance. My turn 4... i play iron dwarf to boost a minion and kill another one... next turn the palladin plays the best turn 4 card....the 4 damage weapon.
And im like... you got 30 random cards, YOU REALLY had to have that weapon at turn 4 right?
then i play paladin and i dont get a single consecration or a single weapon

i think i understimate the chance of someone having good drafts when my drafts are mediocre at best

 

[lupi]

Was listening to some talk about playing the expansion at blizzcon. Having the shredder and KT out at the same time looks to be a next game manuever if you can get them both out.

 

[EDUSAN]

well... KT and any other minion is a pretty hard play to come back from

 

[Majes]

once i tried recording my arena run.... but i found it to be useless because i KNOW what mistakes i made almost instantly.

But the worst thing that i see frequently that happens to me is that the enemy plays the better card that he would be able to play at any turn.
for instance. My turn 4... i play iron dwarf to boost a minion and kill another one... next turn the palladin plays the best turn 4 card....the 4 damage weapon.
And im like... you got 30 random cards, YOU REALLY had to have that weapon at turn 4 right?
then i play paladin and i dont get a single consecration or a single weapon

i think i understimate the chance of someone having good drafts when my drafts are mediocre at best

Yeah, I hate arena. I generally go 3-3 and it's an awful experience.
1. I don't get amazing cards in the draft. 2-3 blues and a purple usually. Never a legendary. I draft okay, I've watched a lot of streams...
2. My draws are terrible. This is throughout the entire game. I just don't ever pull the cards that I need. Help me Yugi...
3. My opponents will always draw the card/cards they need. It's awful. I have an opponent with 0 cards in hand and they have one card in 14 left in their deck that saves them. They draw it every time. In arena this means that in general the players get their class combos out on my every single game. They generally play like constructed decks.

So I generally sneak out a few wins and get overwhelmed by better cards/better draws. It's the story of my CCG career too... Joyous.

 

[EDUSAN]

the ugly thing is that then i see streamers like guardsmanbob or simcopter1 draft not so great decks (super not-balanced in mana curve or at least comparable to my kind of drafts) and i see them go into the 6-9 wins range

and i hate myself for being so bad at the game and not wanting to admit it