Hearthstone

[smackababy]

I really like the hunter, but drafts with them have been hit or miss it seems. With someone like the mage, I can generally tough it out with a bad draw, but I might just be getting lucky at building my deck.

I really hate constructed though. I almost always get matched against people with stupidly Godly cards and get top decked to death 90% of the time.

I am also still a bit upset at how expensive it is to Arena. $2 is incredibly expensive for the chance to lose my first 3 matches and be done. I haven't paid for a draft yet, but they either need to lower the coin amount or the money amount a great deal. Making coins is hard enough (you get 10 per 3 win...) Getting 150 to enter arena is like a once a week thing. I see streamers sustaining the just playing draft, but they generally go 7+ wins every time and make their money back. I can't imagine the average person wanting to put up with that.

 

[lupi]

If you do the quest and get three wins a day, you can easily get 50 gold a day.

Also with them bumping up arena awards and increasing max possible games, it gives a chance for more if you do decent.

 

[smackababy]

If you do the quest and get three wins a day, you can easily get 50 gold a day.

Also with them bumping up arena awards and increasing max possible games, it gives a chance for more if you do decent.

Currently, that means I can do an arena every 3 days. That is still ridiculous. Imagine if Dota 2 or LoL only let you play a ranked match every 3 days? People would be furious.

I wish there was a way to trade unopened packs for gold or something (even if it was 100 gold per pack, which is like 2/3rd the value if you bought it). I'd never open my arena packs and just sell them. I don't want to play constructed ever. I hated it in MtG and I hate it in Arena. "Oh, you with a level 12 paladin and all the basic unlock cards are now matched up against some priest with 15 legendaries because he spend $200 on this game and you didn't!" is a plague in the trading card game genre. It will always be pay 2 win in constructed.

 

[lupi]

Well, that's only if you lose aren a lot and by them attempting to always have you play someone with the same amount of wins, they are trying the schew everyone towards the middle, and the increased arena rewards may be able to keep you going longer. Will have to see how it turns out with the next patch they said should be coming soon.

 

[smackababy]

The problem is the average arena goer will be below 5 wins. That means, they aren't getting their "money" back. That is going to discourage a lot of people from paying $2 or a few hours worth of "work" to enter. The drafts in MtGO (and actual drafts irl) were more "valuable" because while it cost you 3 packs to enter, you got 3 packs worth of cards you chose PLUS had the chance to win packs to enter.

Blizzard has dropped the pack cost, but they have kept the cost with virtually no benefit. If you don't win a single match, what do you get from the Arena? Does anyone know? I can't imagine it is anywhere worth $2.

 

[Aikouka]

Blizzard has dropped the pack cost, but they have kept the cost with virtually no benefit. If you don't win a single match, what do you get from the Arena? Does anyone know? I can't imagine it is anywhere worth $2.

Don't you always get a pack for entering into the arena?

 

[smackababy]

Don't you always get a pack for entering into the arena?

I don't know, I've never not won at least 3 games lol.

 

[lupi]

Claiming Rewards
After you have won nine games in total, lost three games, or retired your deck, you will be given a Key to open up the chest for your reward. The quality of the reward depends on how many games you've won. There is a chance to get a better reward at a lower win rate, but this may be a bug. If you can manage to win at least seven games, you will earn your entry fee back in gold. Winning 5 times compensates for the difference between buying a pack directly and earning one through arena. Besides gold and a deck the rewards can also be Arcane Dust to craft cards you don't yet own. You will always get one card pack regardless of the amount of games you have won, and even if you go 0-3 you will still get a small amount of gold/dust with the card pack. There are no special rewards for winning all nine games.
Note: If you get disconnected from a match because of server that match is counted as a loss for both players.

 

[smackababy]

Well, that is a lie. I just went 3-3 (Thanks RNG! One minion in the last 5 turns in a game I was winning!) Didn't get a single gold coin. All dust, which is worthless. You can't craft cards you don't already have from what I can tell.

I am done with this game. Officially Blizzard Nickel and Dime players who don't put a hundred hours into it Stone.

Blizzard will never get another one of my dollars. I won't even buy the final Starcraft Expansion, even if I have the collector's editions for every other one.

 

[Snock514]

GUYS GUYS GUYS I finally got in the beta! Time to get smacked for awhile..

 

[lupi]

But you still got a card pack right?

 

[lupi]

And yeah, RNG is the name of the game unless you have a really stocked deck (which is then double RNG for arena depending on the cards if gives you to select from).

Did 4 games last night to complete the daily. First I had the mage about 12 points lower than me but ran out of cards in my deck so he was able to drop a couple minions and whittle me away while I continued to draw support cards. Second was against a druid where he managed to apply a taunt to a minion and was just able to beat me (both around 5 health). Next 2 I had the RNG deck draw in my favor and won fairly easy.

 

[smackababy]

Arena RNG screws me every time. I don't think I've gotten an above average deck once. Most of the time I'll end up with 3 great cards and have to choose between one, and then 4 or 5 more picks where I end up with 3 terrible cards. I did a paladin last night and got one single weapon (thankfully, it was a truesilver), but just one...

That, and I get top decked at least 50% of the games I lose. The fact they can draw that one card that will save them, and then beat me, just infuriates me. That never happens to me... I've yet to be down to no cards, losing, and draw a card that turns it around for me.

But, I do go out of my way to establish board control, so in those situations, I am usually screwed anyway.

 

[ikachu]

Is there a decent "theorycraft" site out there? Kind of like ElitistJerks was for WoW back in the day. Since my free time is minimal, I need to maximize my research into decks, strategies, etc.

 

[clok1966]

been in beta alpha for awhile. Not impressed, has the standard Blizzard polish, which means every idea anybody has had before them is here, in a pleasing look. Thye fall down the same place they did with D3, greed.. game is fun enough, but only the hardcore will play with the money involved. Dont get me wrong all card games cost money, but blizz is milking a fan base as rabid as apples (the wow hardcore)..

besides, card games where about being face to face, trash talking or just talking.. go to the Local MtG (or any other card game) game at a hobby store, get out of the basement (or room, or living room)

in the end, good game, but there are at least 50 good card games, and many don't bend you over to play them. Blizz was a little late on this bandwagon, but by being late you can sponge up everybody elses good ideas and combine um...

 

[smackababy]

been in beta alpha for awhile. Not impressed, has the standard Blizzard polish, which means every idea anybody has had before them is here, in a pleasing look. Thye fall down the same place they did with D3, greed.. game is fun enough, but only the hardcore will play with the money involved. Dont get me wrong all card games cost money, but blizz is milking a fan base as rabid as apples (the wow hardcore)..

#blizzardworldproblems

besides, card games where about being face to face, trash talking or just talking.. go to the Local MtG (or any other card game) game at a hobby store, get out of the basement (or room, or living room)

The complete lack of chat is kind of stupid. So many time I want to talk with the person I'm playing against, even if it is just random chatter.

in the end, good game, but there are at least 50 good card games, and many don't bend you over to play them. Blizz was a little late on this bandwagon, but by being late you can sponge up everybody elses good ideas and combine um...

I think they did a good job with the game, they just charge way too much. The reason these free2play games exist is because they can be played with little money. I am just waiting for Valve to offer a full TCG with free drafts and hats for sale.

 

[Wardawg1001]

Is there a decent "theorycraft" site out there? Kind of like ElitistJerks was for WoW back in the day. Since my free time is minimal, I need to maximize my research into decks, strategies, etc.

Try this http://ihearthu.com/

 

[Wardawg1001]

Arena RNG screws me every time. I don't think I've gotten an above average deck once. Most of the time I'll end up with 3 great cards and have to choose between one, and then 4 or 5 more picks where I end up with 3 terrible cards. I did a paladin last night and got one single weapon (thankfully, it was a truesilver), but just one...

That, and I get top decked at least 50% of the games I lose. The fact they can draw that one card that will save them, and then beat me, just infuriates me. That never happens to me... I've yet to be down to no cards, losing, and draw a card that turns it around for me.

But, I do go out of my way to establish board control, so in those situations, I am usually screwed anyway.

I've had the most success with going heavy on low cost cards. Early board control gives you a massive advantage. If your opponent doesn't have any good board clears like flamestrike or swipe, its really hard to lose if you play right. Hold on to your high power minions for when you do get cleared, and re-establish board control with low cost spells, weapons, or charge minions, then start dropping a bunch of minions again.

 

[smackababy]

I've had the most success with going heavy on low cost cards. Early board control gives you a massive advantage. If your opponent doesn't have any good board clears like flamestrike or swipe, its really hard to lose if you play right. Hold on to your high power minions for when you do get cleared, and re-establish board control with low cost spells, weapons, or charge minions, then start dropping a bunch of minions again.

That is usually what I do, but they always get down to the last card, and it just happens to be something that wipes the board. There next card is a 10/10, and I draw a bunch of 2/2s that can't deal with it. And even when they have board control with a bunch of low level minions, my board wipes never come up. I played 6 games with a paladin draft yesterday with 2 consecrates, never got a single one. In one game, I was down to 3 cards; both still hadn't been drawn.

 

[Wardawg1001]

That is usually what I do, but they always get down to the last card, and it just happens to be something that wipes the board. There next card is a 10/10, and I draw a bunch of 2/2s that can't deal with it. And even when they have board control with a bunch of low level minions, my board wipes never come up. I played 6 games with a paladin draft yesterday with 2 consecrates, never got a single one. In one game, I was down to 3 cards; both still hadn't been drawn.

Yea I get extremely annoyed with the randomness of card draws. Had an arena run where I picked a 9 cost legendary (or maybe it was 10, either way it was really high), and through 8 matches I managed to draw the damn thing within my first 3-7 cards every time. Half the matches I never even used it (its powerful, but situational). At the same time I've got 3 weapons in my deck and can't manage to draw a single one before turn 15.

I've never played card games like this before, so I don't if this is just a normal part of the game or what, but I feel like a 'strategy' game shouldn't have so much luck involved. I get that Arena is itself a big luck pot, but the card draw situation applies equally to regular play with self constructed decks. I think a big issue with Arena right now is the lack of cards that draw other cards. Its entirely possible to end up with a deck that has less than 2 card draws in it even if you pick every one that you come across. This is a huge disadvantage against decks that do have a lot of card draw, and it amplifies the issue of getting bad draws.

 

[smackababy]

The "luck of the draw" is a huge part of trading card games. At least, with Hearthstone, you don't have to draw resources as well. Nothing more infuriating than drawing say 1 land in 4 or 5 turns in MtG.

I think my real problem revolves entirely around the expense of the Arena. I understand Blizzard wants to make money, but this is a beta, not the live game.

The strategy in drafts is being able to build a good deck from essentially random cards. It is more so in MtG, because you start with 3 unopened packs, open one, draw a card you want, and pass it to the side. You do this until there are no cards left from that pack. Open the next pack, and start over. Your choices decrease each turn. Arena just lets you pick the best of 3 cards, which you need to know the values of, as well as your deck as a whole.

The strategy in constructed is simply spend as much money as you can on your deck and you win. It is Pay2Win and will always be as such.

 

[CWRMadcat]

I've played arena twice and went 3-3 on the first go and 6-3 on the 2nd.

On the 3-3 result I got:

45 dust + 1 pack

On the 6-3 result I got:

95g, 45 dust, 1 pack

Honestly, for a 150g entry fee, I feel that the arena is well priced. Even a mediocre 3-3 result nets you a pack + dust.

 

[Zeze]

I've played arena twice and went 3-3 on the first go and 6-3 on the 2nd.

On the 3-3 result I got:

45 dust + 1 pack

On the 6-3 result I got:

95g, 45 dust, 1 pack

Honestly, for a 150g entry fee, I feel that the arena is well priced. Even a mediocre 3-3 result nets you a pack + dust.

The pack is a guarantee even at 0-3. AND you still get little gold (5-20). So Arena entrance fee is really 20-30 gold. Amazing value.

You can get 2 packs sometimes. Happened to me on my first 9-2. If not, you get massive gold: 1 pack + 250~ gold = 400 gold total.

Arena always yields better value than buying a pack for 100g.

 

[smackababy]

The pack is a guarantee even at 0-3. AND you still get little gold (5-20). So Arena entrance fee is really 20-30 gold. Amazing value.

You can get 2 packs sometimes. Happened to me on my first 9-2. If not, you get massive gold: 1 pack + 250~ gold = 400 gold total.

Arena always yields better value than buying a pack for 100g.

If you were going to buy a single pack, you're better off just paying to get into the Arena.

I didn't realize this (or it might be new) but the daily quest isn't really a daily. There is a lot of them, and they continue to come. So, potentially, you can easy get the 150 gold. With that knowledge, I am okay with the 150 gold, as I can do 3 quests and get in.

Prior to this, I believe, you had to pick a daily and do it.

 

[lupi]

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