Hearts of Iron 2

Chaotic42

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Hearts of Iron is a truly awesome game. We need more games like that, and, as HoI fans probably know, we're getting an HoI 2.

This review has some interesting info and quite a few screenshots, so check it out.
 

XBoxLPU

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www.wargamer.com/reviews/heartsofiron2/Default.asp

The original Hearts of Iron, as I mentioned in my first impressions piece, was the first truly successful, if somewhat flawed, crack of the whip. I view it as being the game that laid down the basic principles and huge swathes of detail necessary to produce what we have now in Hearts of Iron 2, which is a game I will happily announce is, in my own humble estimation, the single greatest strategic level wargame of all time.



Official Forums ( Awesome community/place )

I talked with one of the managers of EB who's been there a long time, and he said that at about 11:30 AM, all the stores got an E-mail specifically about HOI2 that said that the game would not be in stores until the 7th. Apparently, there is a supply problem... whether that is EB's or Atari's fault I have no idea, but the reason only East Coast gamers are getting their fix is because the initial shipment was so badly below what was needed to fill preorders that only a few stores on the East Coast got the game. AFAIK, if you have your hands on a copy, consider yourself *extremely* lucky.

It was susposed to be here on the 4th but various sites are now listing the 6th or 7th.. or even middle of the month!

and oh btw
Screenshots!
 

lozina

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Hearts of Iron was released in really poor condition- the entire air combat system was practically inoperable. It took a while of patching before the game finally got polished enough to be really respectable. Hearts of Iron 2 however has been thoroughly tested and is being released in an extremely stable state. It has a streamlined interface and unecessary micromanagement was removed. If you liked Hearts of Iron, then the sequel is really a godsend. Just don't expect any breakthroughs in graphics
 

Hadsus

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I played the demo.....not sure how much good it did other than confuse me. Little to no instructions on game mechanics and alot of the features appeared disabled. It's one of those games that you think you'll like but you're not sure cause the demo was so incomplete.
 

Hadsus

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Almost impossible to find in D&M stores now.....I might need to use Gogamer too.
 

XBoxLPU

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Originally posted by: Hadsus
Almost impossible to find in D&M stores now.....I might need to use Gogamer too.

Yep

My local ebgames and Software Etc. had no copies at all. My local Walmart doesn't even have any on order either

 

hg321

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Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
Originally posted by: Hadsus
Almost impossible to find in D&M stores now.....I might need to use Gogamer too.

Yep

My local ebgames and Software Etc. had no copies at all. My local Walmart doesn't even have any on order either

I walked into Best Buy and asked about the game and they had no idea when they would get it
 

XBoxLPU

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Gogamer had the game on their mainpage over the weekend but by monday it was not there. they had took so many orders over the weekend that they had sold out. They are getting more copies of the game today so HOPEFULLY mine will ship today. Ebgames.com it seems hasn't had any problems though. I just didn't want to pay the extra $10-20.


Ranked in top 10 At Amazon


and oh there is a 1.1 patch already out
 

Hadsus

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I'm shocked that HoI 2 is number 5 at Amazon.....not even the sales folk at EB/Gamestop know what the h*ll it is (I've asked around plenty). I wonder if most people know what they're getting into.

Gogamer told me Monday that they thought that *maybe* they would be getting more copies in Wednesday. Didn't sound too encouraging to me. So I cancelled them and ordered EBgames online instead.....shipped very promptly and I'll be getting it tommorow. Bad part is that it's $10 more. Gogamer is a great place for the gamer....just not this time.
 

XBoxLPU

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Originally posted by: Hadsus
I'm shocked that HoI 2 is number 5 at Amazon.....not even the sales folk at EB/Gamestop know what the h*ll it is (I've asked around plenty). I wonder if most people know what they're getting into.

Gogamer told me Monday that they thought that *maybe* they would be getting more copies in Wednesday. Didn't sound too encouraging to me. So I cancelled them and ordered EBgames online instead.....shipped very promptly and I'll be getting it tommorow. Bad part is that it's $10 more. Gogamer is a great place for the gamer....just not this time.

Not to mention at amazon the wait is 1-2 weeks......

Around their forums people are reporting their local stores would have not got any shipments if one person hadn't preordered it....

Gamestop had it for the same price of ebgames but they dont charge tax. I am going to e-mail gogamer and if they do not ship the game today, I am going to cancel the order
 

XBoxLPU

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My local Gamestop got in two copies yesterday so I rushed over as soon as they came in and got one...

w00t w00t

The manual is freaking amazing .....
 

Hadsus

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Of course, I knew that would happen. I grill the EB and Gamestop folk and they never heard of the game and don't know if or when they'll get it. So last nite I check the local Gamestops in my area online and see two local stores have copies in stock. FedEx should be delivering my copy today @ $7 more than if I waited for a B&M store to stock it. But, I coulda waited forever for that to happen so I'm not sorry I got it online.
 

XBoxLPU

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The game is such a vast improvement over HOI... and that is a big understatement. The new research system is superb, much less micromanagement. The entire game just has a much better feel to it, the improved interface really helps that too. I have yet to do any combat but soon will. With my Germany game I am up to the Anschluss of Austria. I also really like the new resources and the trading system.

 

Hadsus

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I'm a newbie to all this, but I spent two or three hours with it last nite and still feel like I know nothing. That's not a critisism of the game but an indication of just how complicated and in-depth the game is. The tutorials do a good job giving you an overview but it's still like drinking through a firehose when you fire up a scenario. I can see though how this can be great fun once the fundamental game mechanics and economic/diplomatic/military relationships are mastered.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Hadsus
I'm a newbie to all this, but I spent two or three hours with it last nite and still feel like I know nothing. That's not a critisism of the game but an indication of just how complicated and in-depth the game is. The tutorials do a good job giving you an overview but it's still like drinking through a firehose when you fire up a scenario. I can see though how this can be great fun once the fundamental game mechanics and economic/diplomatic/military relationships are mastered.

Indeed, this is how I felt when I first got into Paradox Games with their Euopa Universalis title. The most powerful information resource for tips and help with the game is at their foums (If you haven't already gone there)

 

lozina

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Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
The game is such a vast improvement over HOI... and that is a big understatement. The new research system is superb, much less micromanagement. The entire game just has a much better feel to it, the improved interface really helps that too. I have yet to do any combat but soon will. With my Germany game I am up to the Anschluss of Austria. I also really like the new resources and the trading system.


Yeah it makes it so much more enjoyable when you aren't caught up in minor micromanagement details. At first I was a little weary of the new research system, thinking it was too dumbed down, but now I really appreciate it as it has really grown on me. No combat yet? Oh I think you'll love the new movement-is-attack system
 

XBoxLPU

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And don't forget the book errr manual that came with the game :Q

I may actually have a navy and airforce in my first Germany game. In HOI it was rather pointless.... all you needed was naval bombers to rule the sea. And well the research system was laid out that you couldn't really focus much on airforce or navy... but the new research system you can...
 

Hadsus

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Yup, I visit the Paradox forums regularly and have begun wading through the manual. Looked at gamefaqs for some help but none there. If you know of any links that could be useful I'd like to see them. So maybe you can help with a few questions I have right off the bat. What's some of the most important 'first moves' of the game. Do you try to address any resource shortfalls through trade agreements? With regard to research, I understand you shouldn't begin researching things too early. But are there general areas of research that are important to do. I figure that each country is different so it might not be easy to generalize. Also, when you choose your research teams, what does it mean when their research expertise icons are shaded red? And those that have green boxes around them (maybe that info is in the manual and have missed it). How do you form your military research strategies? There seems like there are so many options. Seems like the more I learn about the game the more questions come up.:shocked:
 

XBoxLPU

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Well most of these hints will be from my game as Germany but shoulbe easily applied to any country.

Trade what ever you have abundacy of for supplies and whatever resources you need. The less supplies you produce, the more IC you can spend in other areas. Germany can setup many trades for supplies, rare minerals, metal and oil with ease. Dont trade your money though.

Research: the green box around each item is what each project will use. the more you have, the better off you will be ( even a lower skilled team will be better then a highly skilled team with less ). DO not research anything over a year ahead of time. There will not be enough items to research even with your 5 teams; because you do not want to start research on a item over a year long... just start researching everything you possible can within a year of it's historical date. ( AKA if it is 1937, go for 1938 items if they are there ... etc ). There is a penalty but not that big of a hit. If there nothing to research, don't fret... just let your money increase for a while

Read the benefits of the items and some of the items after the project... and see if you really do need those though.
 

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Sounds like a good game. Strategery games are fun if done right.

When this dizzy inducing flu of mine passes (had it since Monday) you can bet your collective rear ends that HOI2 will be mine!
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Hadsus
Yup, I visit the Paradox forums regularly and have begun wading through the manual. Looked at gamefaqs for some help but none there. If you know of any links that could be useful I'd like to see them. So maybe you can help with a few questions I have right off the bat. What's some of the most important 'first moves' of the game. Do you try to address any resource shortfalls through trade agreements? With regard to research, I understand you shouldn't begin researching things too early. But are there general areas of research that are important to do. I figure that each country is different so it might not be easy to generalize. Also, when you choose your research teams, what does it mean when their research expertise icons are shaded red? And those that have green boxes around them (maybe that info is in the manual and have missed it). How do you form your military research strategies? There seems like there are so many options. Seems like the more I learn about the game the more questions come up.:shocked:

Some good questions. XBoxLPU has done a good job answering your question about research.

As for first moves, yes you should get resource shortages addressed ASAP, and most of the time you won't have enough of other resources to maintain a balance. What is more effective is to trade supplies. The key to mastering trade and maintaining a balance of resources in time of peace for most countries is to export supplies. Keep in mind not all countries value goods the same. In some situations you can get more from country A than country B, even if country A has worse relations. USA is one of the best to trade with no matter who you are. Soviet Union and Netherlands are other good ones too. Usually the minor countries demand more for their resources, so only use them as a last resort. Also, don't just trade enough to maintain a balance, especially if you're Germany preparing for war. After you do maintain a good balance you will want to work on getting a surplus for key resources like oil and rare materials so you build up a stockpile. But it may be wise to first improve relations a bit before you work on those surplus trades.

Don't forget your ministers, every new year may bring new ministers, so in January take a look and see if anyone really good is available. Look for people with bonus to IC, supplies consumption, research... But don't switch ministers carelessly because you take 1 dissent hit for each time you switch.

Dissent has an effect on your IC production so you will want to keep it at 0, if it's over 0 don't go crazy putting everything into consumer goods, just put enough to make it go down gradually, the other IC is better off going in building more factories or producing a few extra supplies for trade.




 

CrowDog

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Im thinking about trying this game. Is it really as complicated and overwhelming as people say? Ive never played any war games....think it will be too much?
 
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