Helen Thomas, idiot anti-semite

[Doboji]

Rather, I'm aware of the fact that while Netanyahu was educated in America, he was born in Israel to a family that came from Europe well before the Holocaust, as did the families of most of the Israeli establishment, and most of the settlers, and the rest of his base of Israeli supporters. The problem here is that you are missing the point, because you are oblivious to such facts.

You can defend your bigoted old hag all day long... you can talk about who came from where, and what race this jew is and what race that jew is until you're blue in the face. If you listen to what that ignorant idiot old bitch said again... she did not think... I shall tell the Jews to go back to Germany and Poland because those two countries represent the most successful of the Israeli population, and is arguably the most influential in Israeli politics.

She responded with emotional anger... anger towards the Jews... and she lashed out in the manner she grasped had the most teeth... the sites of the Holocaust.

Your insistence in defending her makes your own opinions highly questionable... how do you feel about the Jews?

I think I'm going to go make a donation to the IDF now in your honor.

 

[Lemon law]

The other thing to note is that the Helen Thomas long standing career as an employee of the Hearst Newspaper chain may be certainly Kaput, but I for one will not be surprised if some other employer hires her, if nothing else on a part time basis, and ole Helen may be still asking questions of Presidents after the election of 11/2012.

Only time will tell.

As Bertram Russel noted, if you shoot at a queen you must kill her. But some cats have nine lives. Not saying one way or the other, but I will keep watching.

 

[peonyu]

The Israeli establishment is largely descended from people who got into Zionism before the Holocaust, and they generally treat Holocaust survivors like shit, like they did back before and during the Holocaust for opposing Zionism, and while continuing to argue for further Holocaust reparations.

Furthermore, while Russian Jews have gotten fairly big the settler movement recently, it's still largely Jews of the same European origins as the first settlers, with not notable representation from elsewhere. Where do you imagine Netanyahu's family came from? Is the fact that his father changed his name from Mileikowsky throwing you off?

Most Israeli Jews today are a mix of Sephardic and European, so it really doesnt matter if modern Israel's origin is from Europeans Jews...they are native to that region through thier Sephardic line. And the Sephardic Jews, ie- Arab Jews were expelled from Arab countries, so where exactly should they go to ? Thier origins are in neighboring coutries, the ones that booted them out and sent them to Israel.

 

[kylebisme]

I shall tell the Jews to go back to Germany and Poland because those two countries represent the most successful of the Israeli population, and is arguably the most influential in Israeli politics.

It's not even argubale, and Helen clarified "And America, and everywhere else."

She responded with emotional anger... anger towards the Jews...

Towards the Zionist Jews, the ones who "represent the most successful of the Israeli population, and is [in]arguably the most influential in Israeli politics" in particular.

Your insistence in defending her makes your own opinions highly questionable... how do you feel about the Jews?

I feel the same way about "the Jews" as I do about every other ethnic classification; they are diverse range of people which can't rightly be stereotyped in any way. However, you insistence on thinking of people in terms of ethnic groups, and and on slandering Helen for what she admitted was a wrong-headed comment while excusing those who unapologetically say the same thing about Palestinians, makes it obvious that you are a disingenuous bigot.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Sad way to end a distinguished career. Reminds me of Al Campanis and his career suicide.

Maybe she doesn't care. When you get to be 90 years old and don't have much time left, it's probably easier and cathartic to speak your mind for once in your life. I don't understand why a well-to-do 90 year old would want to work at all, but I would assume that she really enjoyed it and probably didn't have to do much other than read newspapers and ask the President pointed questions (who wouldn't want to do that?).

I do wonder what possessed her to essentially say, "Go back to the people who tried to murder you." I mean, her comment could almost be interpreted as, "Go back to Auschwitz where you Jews belong."

 

[Doboji]

It's not even argubale, and Helen clarified "And America, and everywhere else."


Towards the Zionist Jews, the ones who "represent the most successful of the Israeli population, and is [in]arguably the most influential in Israeli politics" in particular.


I feel the same way about "the Jews" as I do about every other ethnic classification; they are diverse range of people which can't rightly be stereotyped in any way. However, you insistence on thinking of people in terms of ethnic groups, and and on slandering Helen for what she admitted was a wrong-headed comment while excusing those who unapologetically say the same thing about Palestinians, makes it obvious that you are a disingenuous bigot.

Why do we keep going back to this... a retraction after the fact doesn't cut it. And even if she did say America and everywhere else and didn't say Germany and Poland, it's still a blatantly anti-semetic comment that all the jews should get the "hell" out of Palestine. There's just no way to justify it... no one is slandering Helen... she said what she said.

What is a "Zionist" Jew anyway?... as if the term Zionist is some kind of bad word... Zionism is the concept that the Jewish people must form it's own nation in order to ensure the safety and well being of all Jews. I am a Zionist... proud of it. And believing in Zionism doesn't make you any more eligible for anti-semetism than any other Jew.

As I said... I have no respect for people who espouse the same view about Palestinians. So why don't you back up your bullshit and say the same thing about our dear bitch Helen?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Just a few things to say, Helen Thomas is a reporter and not a politician, and as such she is used to asking well thought out questions, rather than being interviewed and ambushed
by being asked some total out of left field question.

Good observation. It is rather ironic. Her entire career was based on attempting to get politicians to admit embarrassing and unpalatable facts. Then, when she herself is interviewed, she commits a public relations faux pas.

 

[kylebisme]

Most Israeli Jews today are a mix of Sephardic and European, so it really doesnt matter if modern Israel's origin is from Europeans Jews...

The fact that "even 62 years after its establishment, Israel is run by an ethnically pure Ashkenazi elite" matters to understanding why Helen specifically named the countries she did.

And the Sephardic Jews, ie- Arab Jews were expelled from Arab countries, so where exactly should they go to ? Thier origins are in neighboring coutries, the ones that booted them out and sent them to Israel.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone should be able to go wherever they as long as they do so while respecting the rights of others, and I found Helen's suggestion that Israeli Jews should GTFO revolting, as I've mentioned many times here. Do you want I should quote myself? :hmm:

That said, Arab Jews are more rightly called Mizrahi Jews. On the other hand, Sephardic Jewish culture comes from the Iberian Peninsula, and dispersed mostly across Northern Africa after Christians ran them out along side Muslims back in the late Middle Ages. Furthermore, many Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews were not run out of their homelands, but rather embraced the Zionist movement and came moved to Israel willingly, though other Jews who weren't Zionists were shamefully ran out of Muslim countries too.

 

[Lemon law]

At the end of the day, Doboji, most people in the world do not any distinctions about the value of a Jewish or Palestinian life. They are exactly morally equivalent and should never be seen as anything else.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I think I'm going to go make a donation to the IDF now in your honor.

Have you considered donating to FLAME instead?

 

[fallout man]

I do wonder what possessed her to essentially say, "Go back to the people who tried to murder you." I mean, her comment could almost be interpreted as, "Go back to Auschwitz where you Jews belong."

These days, it's a tourist destination. I think that the rabble-rabble at the anti-Turkey Israeli protests in Tel-Aviv would gain a whole lot of perspective at Auschwitz in terms of what it's like to be powerless and universally despised.

 

[SandEagle]

what happened to 'freedom of speech?'

 

[Noobtastic]

Rather, many Jews left because they were Zionists, though others were shamefully expelled even though they weren't.

You are a sick freak.

Over 900,000 Jews were expelled from their homes because they were jews, evicted, their land confiscated.

Utter bullshit. "Nazi-styled expulsion"? You are practically denying the Holocaust in your insane rant here.

denying the holocaust? how dare you invoke the holocaust when you support people who advocate for a second holocaust.

syria and iraq both passed nazi-era laws barring jews from working in industry, jews could not walk in front of arabs, every hebrew school had to be run by a muslim, etc.

More bullshit.


He was expelled for being a Zionist spy.

LOLOLOLOL!!!

God at least you show your true colors, antisemites all of ya.

Rather, the whole colonialist argument has never been anything more than bigoted garbage, but you are just too damned bigoted to admit as much. You are particularly bigoted against your fellow non-Jewish Semites, whom you revel in oppressing and subjugating while babbling psychotically as if you are a victim in this.

you support antisemitic arabs who hate jews and use terrorism as a weapon, and accuse me of being a bigot?

you deny facts, accuse me of lying even after providing sources.

nothing phases you.

That said, Arab Jews are more rightly called Mizrahi Jews. On the other hand, Sephardic Jewish culture comes from the Iberian Peninsula, and dispersed mostly across Northern Africa after Christians ran them out along side Muslims back in the late Middle Ages. Furthermore, many Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews were not run out of their homelands, but rather embraced the Zionist movement and came moved to Israel willingly, though other Jews who weren't Zionists were shamefully ran out of Muslim countries too.

Jews were EXPELLED FROM THEIR HOMES BY BIGOTED MUSLIM STATES!

Shamed cause they were zionists. Zionism is progressive. Pan-arab nationalism is racist and bigoted. Look at the Kurds, Dinkas in Sudan. Look at the mono culture and apartheid policies of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, etc.

Why don't you go move to a zionist-free arab state?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

These days, it's a tourist destination. I think that the rabble-rabble at the anti-Turkey Israeli protests in Tel-Aviv would gain a whole lot of perspective at Auschwitz in terms of what it's like to be powerless and universally despised.

What are you trying to imply?

 

[fallout man]

what happened to 'freedom of speech?'

The jews don't own the media, LOL. She resigned because she's an old harpy.

 

[fallout man]

What are you trying to imply?

I'm trying to imply that if the radical cretins who currently inhabit Israel, disgracefully born of the people who have miraculously survived the atrocity of the Holocaust witnessed for themselves the experiences of their ancestors, they could perhaps gain a different perspective on the humanity of Palestinian civilians. Instead, they use the loss of their loved ones as an excuse for their own disproportionate brutality.

"We've suffered so much! Taste my fist!"

I've said it before, and it has rung hollow with the numbly pro-Israeli cheerleaders here: accepting the humanity of the "other" is the first step to reconciliation (if you actually want peace and reconciliation). Watch the video of the rally I mentioned, and tell me how many times you hear "Death to Arabs!!!!"

Is this not the kind of blind, irrational fanaticism Israel is claiming to be fighting against?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I'm trying to imply that if the radical cretins who currently inhabit Israel, disgracefully born of the people who have miraculously survived the atrocity of the Holocaust witnessed for themselves the experiences of their ancestors, they could perhaps gain a different perspective on the humanity of Palestinian civilians. Instead, they use the loss of their loved ones as an excuse for their own disproportionate brutality.

"We've suffered so much! Taste my fist!"

I've said it before, and it has rung hollow with the numbly pro-Israeli cheerleaders here: accepting the humanity of the "other" is the first step to reconciliation (if you actually want peace and reconciliation). Watch the video of the rally I mentioned, and tell me how many times you hear "Death to Arabs!!!!"

Is this not the kind of blind, irrational fanaticism Israel is claiming to be fighting against?

It's hard to feel badly for the Palestinians when they attempted mass genocide against the Jews in 1948. They also continue to provoke Israel with rocket attacks. Last I looked, the Jews didn't declare war on Germany and didn't try to commit genocide against the Germans. They didn't even fire rockets into Germany while Germany was bending over backwards to make peace with them.

 

[Noobtastic]

I'm trying to imply that if the radical cretins who currently inhabit Israel, disgracefully born of the people who have miraculously survived the atrocity of the Holocaust witnessed for themselves the experiences of their ancestors, they could perhaps gain a different perspective on the humanity of Palestinian civilians. Instead, they use the loss of their loved ones as an excuse for their own disproportionate brutality.

this would make sense had the palestinians not aligned themselves with hitler, adi amin, saddam hussein, and every other tin-pot genocidal dictator.

as far as "civilians" go, please.

palestinian-israel war has killed about 20,000 people in the last 100 years.

palestinian leadership does everything they can to inflate civilian casualties.

israel eradicated malaria and tripled the standard of living for refugees, while the arab states and UN condemned it.

arabs have always lived in poverty well before israel existed.

why don't you talk about how the arabs treat palestinians, they've certainly killed far more than israel. they kept them disposed, not israel.

 

[fallout man]

Last I looked, the Jews didn't declare war on Germany and didn't try to commit genocide against the Germans. They didn't even fire rockets into Germany while Germany was bending over backwards to make peace with them.

What does Germany have to do with Palestinians, and their current, brutal, disgraceful treatment of by the most moral army and government in the world?

this would make sense had the palestinians not aligned themselves with hitler

The founders of Eretz Israel certainly tried. Hitler was a fussy dude to friend on Facebook.

Contact with Nazi authorities

German cover letter from January 11, 1941 attached to a description of an offer for an alliance with Nazi Germany attributed to Lehi.

In 1940, Lehi proposed intervening in World War II on the side of Nazi Germany. It offered assistance in "transferring" the Jews of Europe, in return for Germany's help in expelling Britain from Mandate Palestine. Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik was sent to Beirut where he met the German official Werner Otto von Hentig. Lubenchik told von Hentig that Lehi had not yet revealed its full power and that they were capable of organizing a whole range of anti-British operations.

On the assumption that the destruction of Britain was the Germans' top objective, the organization offered cooperation in the following terms: From the NMO side: full cooperation in sabotage, espionage and intelligence and up to wide military operations in the Middle East and in eastern Europe anywhere where the Irgun had Jewish cells, active and trained and in some places with weapons. From the German side, the following declarations and actions were demanded: (1) Full recognition of an independent Jewish state in Palestine/Eretz Israel; (2) That the ability to immigrate to Palestine be conceded to all Jews, with no restriction of numbers, who, in leaving their homes in Europe, by their own will or because of government injunctions.[31]

On 11 January 1941, a letter that would be later referred to as the Ankara document was sent from Vice Admiral Ralf von der Marwitz, the German Naval attaché in Ankara, depicting an offer by Lehi to "actively take part in the war on Germany's side" in return for German support for "the establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich."[32][33]

There are three possibilities as to how the offer reached the German Naval attaché in Ankara. One is that en route to Germany, von Hentig was delayed in Ankara and delivered his version of the offer orally to von der Marwitz and von der Marwitz wrote the letter using his words. The second is that Colombani (a general in French intelligence) invented the offer because of personal rivalry between himself and other Vichy officials: this rivalry is known from a paragraph in von der Marwitz' letter, "Colombani is of the opinion that his return to France is a consequence of co-operation of Conti with Minister Pierroton," or, third, that Colombani wanted the offer to fail: he had co-operated with the Mufti of Jerusalem in Lebanon in 1938-1939 and was also the one who took him in his car through Syria to the Iraqi border in 1939.[31]

In any case, von der Marwitz delivered the offer, classified as secret, to the German Ambassador in Turkey and on January 21, 1941 it was sent to Berlin. There was never any response. Von Hentig would later say that he believed it was important to help the Jews establish a country.[34]

Lehi's leader, Avraham Stern, lost much support after seeking a modus vivendi with Nazi Germany.[35]

Do you have any links of the dirty animal subhuman Pali's underhanded, disgusting, back-stabbing, reprehensible dealings with the Nazis? I'd love to read up on it.

Prominent members of Lehi

A number of Lehi's members went on to play important roles in Israel's public life.

Geula Cohen, member of the Knesset
Israel Eldad, leader in the Israeli national camp
Boaz Evron, left-wing journalist
Maxim Ghilan, Israeli journalist, author and peace activist
Uri Zvi Greenberg
Amos Kenan, writer
Baruch Korff
Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli prime minister 1983-1984 and 1986-1992. ONLY TERRORIST STATES ELECT TERRORISTS AS LEADERS AMIRITE?!?!?!
Shimon Tzabar
Natan Yellin-Mor, member of the Knesset 1949-1951, leftist advocate of peace with Arabs.[54]

 

[kylebisme]

nearly twice as many jews than arabs were expelled...

Rather, many Jews left because they were Zionists, though others were shamefully expelled even though they weren't.

Over 900,000 Jews were expelled...

You can't cite even one vaguely impartial source to back up your argument here, or any other argument of yours which I've called bullshit on.

 

[Noobtastic]

What does Germany have to do with Palestinians, and their current, brutal, disgraceful treatment of by the most moral army and government in the world?



The founders of Eretz Israel certainly tried. Hitler was a fussy dude to friend on Facebook.



Do you have any links of the dirty animal subhuman Pali's underhanded, disgusting, back-stabbing, reprehensible dealings with the Nazis? I'd love to read up on it.

LOL!

The Lechi and Etzel developed after the British nagged on their promises.

Many Zionists were looking for a way to save Jews from the holocaust, one of which was to buy them from the Nazis. For awhile Hitler pondered allowing the Jews to be expelled rather than exterminated, the "final solution" wouldn't be developed until much later on.

This still doesn't negate the fact that the Palestinian leadership are historic allies of Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Adi Amin, Omar-al Bashir.

Very dubious to refer to some token moment in Israel history 6 decades ago and trivialize the holocaust.

but then again coming from fallout this doesn't even surprise me.

You can't cite even one vaguely impartial source to back up your argument here, or any other argument of yours which I've called bullshit on

ive provided plenty of courses.

all you do is condemn everything as "bullshit" and "lies."

excusing the nazi-styled expulsion of jews from muslim lands, shaming them as "zionists."

disgusting, truly.

What does Germany have to do with Palestinians, and their current, brutal, disgraceful treatment of by the most moral army and government in the world?

again, you refuse to acknowledge facts and instead rely on buzzwords to ellicit an emotional reaction.

victimizing and exaggerating the "plight" of palestinians, assigning all the blame to israel - while not accepting the reality that far more palestinians have been killed by palestinians and/or arabs, and palestinians are not only self-oppressive but treated like extrament by their arab benefactors.

while israel delivers aid to terrorists and allows Islamists to use their hospitals.

Your absolute indifference to the arab's policies towards palestinians implies your "concern" for palestinians is limited to israel and israel only.

so propagadating lies and victimizing the arab states is necessary to slander the jews.

please dont pretend to give a damn about human rights. you couldn't care less.

 

[kylebisme]

nearly twice as many jews than arabs were expelled...

Rather, many Jews left because they were Zionists, though others were shamefully expelled even though they weren't.

Over 900,000 Jews were expelled...

You can't cite even one vaguely impartial source to back up your argument here, or any other argument of yours which I've called bullshit on.

 

[Budmantom]

She slipped up and said what the White House was thinking.

 

[nageov3t]

It's a shame that such a distinguished career is now going to be forever defined by a ten second clip on youtube... but I have to wonder if she was forced out or if she quit because she's got better things to fight over at the age of 90.

 

[rchiu]

lol, don't they have mandatory retirement age in the News industry? This just shows how powerful pro-Israel force is in the US. So what if Helen Thomas has an opinion on this conflicts, so does 99% of the people who are into world news and events. So she is sympathetic towards paletinian, so that make her and idiot and anti-semite?

Jewish people have it made, because they were mistreated half a century ago by the Nazi and now they get to take their tanks and special forces into slums and take out people who oppose them. Anyone who has a problem got labeled as anti-semite. How nice.