Helene misinformation hindering recovery efforts

allisolm

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There's a thread in OT about Helene that is not political but I just read about the misinformation that is being spread about Helene by Trump, the Lt Gov of NC, Musk and others which is purely political and unbelieveable to any sane folks.

"A popular rumor, promoted by former President Donald Trump and X owner Elon Musk, suggests the federal government is confiscating or otherwise diverting aid meant for Helene relief efforts as part of a political ploy."

"Trump claimed earlier this week that the Biden administration, along with North Carolina’s Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper, is withholding or diverting relief funds because the hardest hit areas are prominently Republican, while Musk claimed in a post on X that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is “actively blocking citizens who try to help.”"

"Trump has also baselessly claimed that some of the diverted funds are being used to help migrants: “A billion dollars was stolen from FEMA to use it for illegal migrants,” he said Friday."

With no evidence to support it, Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee told a local TV station “there’s some belief and understanding” that the root of the misinformation is “foreign sources just to confuse on the ground what’s happening here.”

North Carolina Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson claimed that “virtually every single aircraft currently running missions are privately owned. The few that aren’t are owned by states other than North Carolina.” That statement is directly contradicted by an earlier tweet from the North Carolina National Guard, which reported it had conducted 57 air missions and rescued more than 400 people. Robinson on Tuesday also thanked Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for sending relief to his state, saying, “Florida is going to rebuild the roads in North Carolina.”

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who represents a district in North Georgia that was also hit by the storm, suggested without evidence that a vague, shadowy force “can control the weather”

Unfortunately, some people who need help aren't getting it because they hear or read this garbage and think the assistance they need won't be forthcoming. All the folks who are busting their buns to make things better are being undermined substantially by this and that is more than a crying shame.

I try not to let the drivel they spout affect me, but this makes me so angry.
Any of you out there who were still considering voting for Trump, think about the things he said above and how much harm those things could cause and please reconsider.


 
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BoomerD

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Unfortunately, Trump and his ilk refuse to let the Biden-Harris administration be seen as actually helping Americans other than Democrats. They’re also downplaying ( or denying) that so many Republicans voted against the FEMA bill just before Helene hit. I have no doubt that many who voted against the bill will now be taking credit for whatever assistance it provides.
 

Indus

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Congress should make it a policy to not give ANY AID WHATSOEVER to a district when their politicians don't want it.

And I suggest round up everyone who is parroting or making up misinformation and cut off both their arms.

They want to go back to the dark times.. we should show em what the dark times entail -- no more using phones and selfies or pressing record on garbage!
 
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HomerJS

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I’m sick of all their bullshit. Why don’t we fight back by just saying JD Vance contracted syphilis from a hooker last year. People are reporting.

All these people like they wanted for Mike Pence should be hanged
 
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K1052

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I have no doubt that many who voted against the bill will now be taking credit for whatever assistance it provides.

Same as it ever was. Nothing Republicans love more than voting against something then showing up to milk it politically. Happening all over with projects funded by the IRA and the infra bill when they break ground or open.
 

Brovane

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Some type of friction with getting aid into hard hit areas happens. It also doesn't help when you have power tripping local officials making news stories of themselves.

Lake Lure couple reunited after volunteer rescue pilot threated with arrest

However FEMA does have the power to confiscate goods going into disaster areas and has used this power before. I work for a major Telecomm provider and we have had issues previously with getting diesel into disaster areas to keep our facilities powered. We would send in a tanker truck and FEMA would confiscate the Diesel despite us having paperwork clearly showing it was meant for generators powering critical infrastructure. I am not saying this is what happening now but I wouldn't be surprised that it is happening and it is getting confused that FEMA is also confiscating donations.
 

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These people are evil. There is no other explanation for the constant lying, depravity and hypocrisy. Using natural disasters and those affected as political pawns. Disinformation is spewed about every possible thing to buttress their alternative world of fact-free lies and vibes. They court nazis and white supremacists out in the open preying on people’s insecurities.

They are literally counting on enough people who are too stupid to see through the bullshit or those who can and just don’t care and want to see this country’s downfall for a regressive tax cut.

Pure evil.

And it’s not hyperbole, if Trump wins, this country will irrevocably change for this worse. Trump’s and the GOP’s big lie will have lost the battle initially but will have won the war.
 
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Brovane

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I mean what's the big deal? Aren't these the same individuals that hate the federal government, hate handouts, claim they can manage fine off the grid, want the federal government as small and insignificant as possible?

I do find that hilarious. The same people who claim to be dooms day preppers for the coming struggle can't handle a couple of days of being off grid.


 

GodisanAtheist

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God is trying his damnedest to keep Republicans in Trump districts from voting this November, wonder if Pubs are going to go exacerbate the issue then go after God for election interference...
 
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MrSquished

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These people are evil. There is no other explanation for the constant lying, depravity and hypocrisy. Using natural disasters and those affected as political pawns. Disinformation is spewed about every possible thing to buttress their alternative world of fact-free lies and vibes. They court nazis and white supremacists out in the open preying on people’s insecurities.

They are literally counting on enough people who are too stupid to see through the bullshit or those who can and just don’t care and want to see this country’s downfall for a regressive tax cut.

Pure evil.

And it’s not hyperbole, if Trump wins, this country will irrevocably change for this worse. Trump’s and the GOP’s big lie will have lost the battle initially but will have won the war.
Yes, they are pure evil. And while the Democrats can't call them that, they should really start using the word 'lies' a lot and have stern press conferences calling all those lies out with plain language and daring the press to actually report the news.
 

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MTG - "Yes they can control the weather. It’s ridiculous for anyone to lie and say it can’t be done.



I’m surprised she resisted the temptation to write (((they))) thusly.
She is totally failing at government oversight to bring this powerful technology to light. Where is the investigation?
 
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VRAMdemon

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She is totally failing at government oversight to bring this powerful technology to light. Where is the investigation?

According to this Neanderthal we need not worry about global warming anymore because the Democrats have gained control of the weather. However, Marge wants Republicans to believe and worry that Democrats might at any moment decide to turn the weather machine and their Jewish Space Lasers on Republicans. Dumping tons of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere has no effect; but apparently Jewish Space Lasers can be used to create hurricanes. Hurricanes are "RIGGED!!!" How can anyone ever take MTG seriously? She never mentions any Bigfoot, Elvis or UFO sightings.

Up Next: Ballistic Guided Ice Bergs

Welp! .... This settles my choice. I am voting for the party that has the ability to control weather. And I appreciate it every time a MAGA politician proves they are absolutely insane.
 

Moonbeam

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Congress should make it a policy to not give ANY AID WHATSOEVER to a district when their politicians don't want it.

And I suggest round up everyone who is parroting or making up misinformation and cut off both their arms.

They want to go back to the dark times.. we should show em what the dark times entail -- no more using phones and selfies or pressing record on garbage!
I guess one rough day or even one rough hour and all this misinformation would stop. You know if we didn't have a nation of trained monkeys full of emotional needs to buy things they deserve to have and who thus are totally subject to false news the economy would collapse. Think of the 1%. They thrive off of fools and want it to stay that way. Wake up.
 

BoomerD

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Those of you who vote Republicans is your rep on this list? Any comments?

The hell of it is…if the person isn’t personally affected by this…they probably support their congresscritter for doing that. “Way to own them libs!” “Good job helping to control gubmint spending!” “Biden can’t steal what we don’t let him have access to!”
 
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Stopsignhank

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This was posted on Asheville Reddit. Just goes to show these people are having a hard enough time and then they have to put up with this bullshit.

Please Stop Spreading Misinformation About the Governments Rescue Efforts.​


STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION
Challenge misinformation online wherever you see it. Be a calm voice of reason. State facts. Try not to get too heated. This kind of rhetoric is dangerous.
1. Don’t evacuate because the government is going to steal your land to mine lithium!
That’s not a thing. Hypothetically, if the government DID want your land (they don’t), they wouldn't need all these layers of conspiracy to take it. They can invoke eminent domain and must compensate you for the property. This is basic constitutional law (5th amendment). Again, that isn't happening. Anyone telling folks not to evacuate doesn’t have their best interests at heart.
2. FEMA is confiscating/destroying/hoarding supplies and turning away help.
They’re telling people where to drop off supplies and asking untrained individuals not to self deploy. Going out there alone without training or equipment makes you a liability no matter how good your intentions are.
3. The government isn’t helping!
The government is helping. They have been since day 1. The best trained rescue technicians in the nation are working around the clock. National Guard is there. 82nd Airborne is there. Air Force & Civil Air Patrol. NC Highway Patrol. FEMA. All the politicians have come and gone. The reason why it’s taking so long to reach those in need is because this is a MASSIVE disaster spanning hundreds of miles, several states, and millions of people. So far, this is the 3rd largest mobilization of federal resources behind 9/11 and Katrina.
4. We need to rise up against FEMA!
Why would anyone want to harm the people who are helping? Why would anyone advocate for any act that would disrupt search and rescue operations? FEMA is not our enemy and never has been. They're average folks just like us who genuinely want to help others.
5. Fort Liberty is being told to stand down. They're denying soldiers leave
82nd Airborne has been deployed to WNC. Soldiers were likely told they could not use personal leave to self deploy. Considering the situation in the Middle East, they're probably not granting personal leave at all right now. This is common sense.
6. Federal officials ordered Chimney Rock to be bulldozed
Never happened. [Debunked by the town] https://www.wcnc.com/article/weathe...lene/275-54741b10-7482-4116-ac38-98bff585b6e6

Those are the most common examples I've been seeing. I'll update this post as needed to bring awareness to any other false narratives that emerge. A lot of it can be attributed to ignorance and gossip, but clearly there are bad actors seeking to cause civil unrest. Folks in WNC are relying on social media for information. Let's make sure the information going around is accurate.
 
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HomerJS

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MTG - "Yes they can control the weather. It’s ridiculous for anyone to lie and say it can’t be done.



I’m surprised she resisted the temptation to write (((they))) thusly.
I'm sure she means them Jews. Not her first go round with antisemitism.
 
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