Helene misinformation hindering recovery efforts

[trenchfoot]

I would not rule out any of these but I also see very smart people who believe profoundly stupid things. I think we have all been subjected to brainwashing and been affected by it. And I see a lot of hateful ignorance that is directed at hatefully ignorant people or at those not on our team, the team of the Knowers of objective reality, whatever that is.

I'd just call it Stockholm Syndrome, those whose sense of self worth was so badly damaged by torture and threat they gravitate to those who put others down but not them and join in the pleasure torturing others brought to those who tortured them.

I've had a notion about what makes people think the way they do and I ended up with a simple answer that didn't require me to take a deep dive into the philosophical/psychological aspects of it all. It's the amount of math a person has experienced in the years that person was/is being educated. What led me to this opinion is my wife who's a math major and taught that discipline until she retired some (many) years ago. We think a lot alike as far as how we approach solving problems in our everyday lives. Analytical thinking is was what I filtered it all down to and the amount of effort one puts into solving a problem from that approach.

So from a purely narrow perspective, I arrived at the conclusion that the more math you were/are involved in, the more you leave the emotional aspects of problem solving out of the "equation" and eventually arrive at a solution that's the logical choice to make. Now, as this notion of mine is applied to the probabilities of whom we ("I") should elect as our nation's leader, well, the solution becomes rather obvious, being unemotionally influenced as it were.

That this particular subforum is littered with folks who arrived here through an interest in all things data processing related that's coincidentally heavily influenced by math, and that most of us have arrived at the same conclusion as to who we think should be POTUS, I submit that as evidence that supports my claim.

edit - apologies for going off topic. I blame my wife's influence on the way I think.

 

[Moonbeam]

I've had a notion about what makes people think the way they do and I ended up with a simple answer that didn't require me to take a deep dive into the philosophical/psychological aspects of it all. It's the amount of math a person has experienced in the years that person was/is being educated. What led me to this opinion is my wife who's a math major and taught that discipline until she retired some (many) years ago. We think a lot alike as far as how we approach solving problems in our everyday lives. Analytical thinking is was what I filtered it all down to and the amount of effort one puts into solving a problem from that approach.

So from a purely narrow perspective, I arrived at the conclusion that the more math you were/are involved in, the more you leave the emotional aspects of problem solving out of the "equation" and eventually arrive at a solution that's the logical choice to make. Now, as this notion of mine is applied to the probabilities of whom we ("I") should elect as our nation's leader, well, the solution becomes rather obvious, being unemotionally influenced as it were.

That this particular subforum is littered with folks who arrived here through an interest in all things data processing related that's coincidentally heavily influenced by math, and that most of us have arrived at the same conclusion as to who we think should be POTUS, I submit that as evidence that supports my claim.

edit - apologies for going off topic. I blame my wife's influence on the way I think.

I do not wish to disrespect either you or your wife as I believe logical thinking is vital to plonked solving but I have some issues that bother me. Take Einstein and Edward Teller. Both were far more advanced in math than I will ever be, but I think Einstein was deeply human and Teller way very insane. Einstein could not only think but could feel. He had heart and Teller was emotionally dead.

Reason at the service of those who lack character that includes things like awe and wonder, gratitude and grace, the love of all living things leads to mechanicality and the ant heap.

 

[trenchfoot]

I do not wish to disrespect either you or your wife as I believe logical thinking is vital to plonked solving but I have some issues that bother me. Take Einstein and Edward Teller. Both were far more advanced in math than I will ever be, but I think Einstein was deeply human and Teller way very insane. Einstein could not only think but could feel. He had heart and Teller was emotionally dead.

Reason at the service of those who lack character that includes things like awe and wonder, gratitude and grace, the love of all living things leads to mechanicality and the ant heap.

I totally agree with you. Apologies for misleading you with my post as I should've incuded an inferrence of what you're referring to. To be clear, making logical conclusions for solving problems does have it's place in our lives, especially in the area where emotions may misdirect or somehow cloud our abilities to be logical and being able to apply common sense to the issue at hand, just as there are times when our emotions like compassion, understanding, empathy and even anger will guide us toward humanely determining what course of actions we should take to resolve whatever "problems" we are face with.

Shall we agree that's it's the ability to balance those two, shall we say...opposing forces that makes us whole?

 

[MtnMan]

Voter suppression is the name of the game. Even if it hurts their own voters? Idiots.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1844206007498702883

No one has ever accused the republicans of being smart!

I live in that blue county on that map.

 

[MtnMan]

And yet they still get the votes! Good stuff.

I wasn't singling out republicans in office or running for office. The not smart ones vote.

 

[Moonbeam]

I totally agree with you. Apologies for misleading you with my post as I should've incuded an inferrence of what you're referring to. To be clear, making logical conclusions for solving problems does have it's place in our lives, especially in the area where emotions may misdirect or somehow cloud our abilities to be logical and being able to apply common sense to the issue at hand, just as there are times when our emotions like compassion, understanding, empathy and even anger will guide us toward humanely determining what course of actions we should take to resolve whatever "problems" we are face with.

Shall we agree that's it's the ability to balance those two, shall we say...opposing forces that makes us whole?

I would say that where this idea of balance applies is in dealing with our shadow side. I think the dark side of human behavior arises out of repression, the result of having been made to feel guilty amd worthless as a child for not knowing the rules of behavior and acting out of natural childish selfishness. Children are told hey are bad if they break rules they know nothing about.

The result is that we learn to hide our selfishness and pretend, fake good behavior because you can’t fix what is natural.

So balance to me is acceptance of self, the dark self we are not supposed to be by realization it was never evil to begin with. Acceptance destroys the need to repress negative feelings because who needs to hide what is natural. It’s not hard to act generously if you feel it’s just as acceptable to act selfish. It becomes something you can consciously choose to do rationally.

So what I think I forgot to say is that it is negative feelings that make us act like monsters and positive feelings that are vital to motivate rational thinking. I’m opinion is that negative feelings are not natural, they are the result of programming and what is learned can be unlearned, which is why we have psychotherapy.

We yearn for the light but told we should stay in the dark because the light will show we are worthless. It won’t, that’s just a feeling that can be unlearned

 

[MtnMan]

OK, this is some serious fucked up shit, just about an hour away from here.

 

[DarthKyrie]

You are projecting shit onto me again. Nowhere did I suggest extermination, and the idea that using a chemical to fix a mental condition must necessarily lead to eugenics is nonsense. The idea that everyone can fix whatever mental problems they may be having by just changing their attitude is ignorant and arrogant as fuck.

I wish I could fix my mental issues just through sheer force of will.

I've had a notion about what makes people think the way they do and I ended up with a simple answer that didn't require me to take a deep dive into the philosophical/psychological aspects of it all. It's the amount of math a person has experienced in the years that person was/is being educated. What led me to this opinion is my wife who's a math major and taught that discipline until she retired some (many) years ago. We think a lot alike as far as how we approach solving problems in our everyday lives. Analytical thinking is was what I filtered it all down to and the amount of effort one puts into solving a problem from that approach.

So from a purely narrow perspective, I arrived at the conclusion that the more math you were/are involved in, the more you leave the emotional aspects of problem solving out of the "equation" and eventually arrive at a solution that's the logical choice to make. Now, as this notion of mine is applied to the probabilities of whom we ("I") should elect as our nation's leader, well, the solution becomes rather obvious, being unemotionally influenced as it were.

That this particular subforum is littered with folks who arrived here through an interest in all things data processing related that's coincidentally heavily influenced by math, and that most of us have arrived at the same conclusion as to who we think should be POTUS, I submit that as evidence that supports my claim.

edit - apologies for going off topic. I blame my wife's influence on the way I think.

I learned this lesson back in elementary school when I discovered my love of math. I noticed my hormones and emotions started to play less of a role in my decision-making, although that didn't stop me from being arrested twice as a teen.

 

[MtnMan]

Say it's not a cult...

 

[Jaskalas]

@Jaskalas I don't necessarily agree with your statement; because throughout our history we as a country have shown that we can rise above the animalistic inclinations that you are alluding too. It's been a long slog to progress to where we are now, but it was on the backs of courageous and intelligent people who won these victories.

The people who built and maintained this great nation were raised and educated in a different time, a different doctrine. The information space that shaped them was fragmented, localized, and built upon the simple grass roots of striving for human rights. That was a destination to reach. To hold onto and not skip past. Teachings that should have been held sacred, not abandon as a foregone conclusion as if we did not need to raise each and every successive generation with the same discipline and adherence to enlightenment and the scientific method.

We have allowed noise to erase the signal of who we once were. We have absorbed mass information as a poison. Thus a schism is formed on objective reality. Its very existence under dispute. Baseless rumors taken as gospel. Populism risen to replace statesmen. Greed and hatred replaced self sacrifice and moral ethos. We are not our founders. We are not the generation who forged the post-war era of riches in the 20th century. They are gone while MAGA and us remain.

Our nation is great because so many others did not follow our path towards human rights. Towards freedom and democracy. And in the 20th century we witnessed such nations collapse on more than one occasion. A regression back to a more natural state. The exception of America proves the rule for humanity at large. But like other nations, we too are destined to become history. Fallen by our people's baser instincts and modern communication dissolving who we once were.

Do not think we are the only ones in peril. Genocide and full scale industrial war spanning years has returned to Europe. We vowed never again but when the time came to honor life, we choose indolence and the abandonment of our sacred duty. We fail to guard Europe, we will fail others and we will fail ourselves. It goes back to human nature and why America was exceptional in the first place. A light shining upon a hill, overlooking a vast and dark ocean of despair. MAGA means that our light has gone out. Our time has come.

We now behold the might and depth of their work to unmake the nation of our forebears. Disinformation is their greatest weapon.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Say it's not a cult...

What a shit media interviewer - "I wish there was something I could say" WTF! tell people what Trump is spewing about FEMA is complete bullshit. Unbelievable how this country's media is stuck on being a business and not reporting the truth. Kudo's to the man being interviewed for telling him what to fucking say!

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trump: claims the Biden Administration withheld relief aid from North Carolina.

Also Trump: Threatens to withhold disaster relief aid to California for wildfires

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845286314700054572

 

[MtnMan]

What a shit media interviewer - "I wish there was something I could say" WTF! tell people what Trump is spewing about FEMA is complete bullshit. Unbelievable how this country's media is stuck on being a business and not reporting the truth. Kudo's to the man being interviewed for telling him what to fucking say!

So what the fuck would you have said after the caller laid his raw emotions out for all to hear?

You simply want to critique the interviewer?

 

[WilliamM2]

What a shit media interviewer - "I wish there was something I could say" WTF! tell people what Trump is spewing about FEMA is complete bullshit. Unbelievable how this country's media is stuck on being a business and not reporting the truth. Kudo's to the man being interviewed for telling him what to fucking say!

The original clip I posted days ago does call out the bullshit:

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[trenchfoot]

All these accusations by Trump about "Biden's and Harris' FEMA" witholding aid from predominantly Republican areas, diverting funds, etc., well that's just Trump projecting himself thereby confessing to us all what he'd do to the Democrats (the enemy) if the roles were reversed. In his twisted simplistic morally bankrupt mind, if he'd do some stupid shit then anyone who would be in his place would do the exact same thing.

It's still so mind boggling to me that as politically damaged as Trump is, the race for the presidency is still supposedly a close one and the media, to their benefit, is incessantly driving this notion along.

 

[BoomerD]

All these accusations by Trump about "Biden's and Harris' FEMA" witholding aid from predominantly Republican areas, diverting funds, etc., well that's just Trump projecting himself thereby confessing to us all what he'd do to the Democrats (the enemy) if the roles were reversed. In his twisted simplistic morally bankrupt mind, if he'd do some stupid shit then anyone who would be in his place would do the exact same thing.

It's still so mind boggling to me that as politically damaged as Trump is, the race for the presidency is still supposedly a close one and the media, to their benefit, is incessantly driving this notion along.

Withholding aid to “the enemy” is exactly what Trump would do…and he’s said so much…so he just can’t envision that “the other side” wouldn’t do the same…just like he can’t believe that he could possibly lose the election unless those evil libruls cheated him…by voting for Biden.

 

[dank69]

Withholding aid to “the enemy” is exactly what Trump would do…and he’s said so much…so he just can’t envision that “the other side” wouldn’t do the same…just like he can’t believe that he could possibly lose the election unless those evil libruls cheated him…by voting for Biden.

He already withheld aid from northern California until his henchmen informed him the the areas that needed aid mostly voted for him. Literally the dumbest motherfucker America has ever but in the WH. Makes Dubya look like a genius.

 

[iRONic]

‘Vengeful’ Trump withheld disaster aid and will do so again, ex-officials warn | Donald Trump | The Guardian


One of the most “egregious” delays, Troye said, came after Hurricane Maria smashed into Puerto Rico, causing widespread damage and nearly 3,000 deaths. In the wake of the disaster, Trump claimed the death toll had been inflated “to make me look as bad as possible”, called the mayor of San Juan “crazed and incompetent”, and halted billions of dollars of federal support for the island.

 

[iRONic]

“It was clear that Trump was entirely self-interested and vengeful towards those he perceived didn’t vote for him,” Carroll told the Guardian. “He even wanted to pull the navy out of Hawaii because they didn’t vote for him. We were appalled – these are American civilians the government is meant to provide for. The idea of withholding aid is antithetical to everything you want from in a leader.”

 

[K1052]

Going just great. It's only a matter of time until somebody gets killed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845592781269635453

 

[eelw]

Lol out hunting FEMA. These idiots make Elmer Fudd look like a genius

 

[esquared]

FFS, these brain-dead morons are listening to the syphilitic orange menace talking about FEMA giving all the money to undocumented immigrants.

You just cannot help people who refuse to listen to even the smallest bit of reason.

 

[K1052]

The increasingly conspiratorial and fascist right wing media ecosystem will eventually destroy the country. The only mystery left is timing and the exact precipitating event.

 

[IronWing]

Going just great. It's only a matter of time until somebody gets killed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1845592781269635453

Coddling the Bundy clan bears more fruit.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Watching this race be a dead heat I am now seeing the end for this Republic. The stupidity and racism and willful ignorance of the right merged with social media and Fox News spewing lies 24/7 is the spark.

They actually believe democrats control the weather. There is no coming back from that.only hope is if Harris wins by enough and Trump shits himself so hard when hearing news he goes into coma 🤣