Hell has frozen over, Fudzilla Both Microsoft and Intel trying to acquire AMD

[TheELF]

Isn't AMD's x86 license non-transferable?

It's a CROSS licence, intel uses a lot of amd tech as-well, if someone other then intel buys amd they would have to strike the same deal with intel otherwise both companies next processors would lack a lot of features rendering them all useless.

(Basically if someone wants to close down intel they buy amd and take off with the licences,intel would for example have to revert to intel64 which is not compatible and down the drain they go)

 

[positivedoppler]

Isn't AMD's x86 license non-transferable?

Not completely true. AMD has already stated that a x86 license transfer is not a problem in the event of a sale.

 

[positivedoppler]

It's a CROSS licence, intel uses a lot of amd tech as-well, if someone other then intel buys amd they would have to strike the same deal with intel otherwise both companies next processors would lack a lot of features rendering them all useless.

(Basically if someone wants to close down intel they buy amd and take off with the licences,intel would for example have to revert to intel64 which is not compatible and down the drain they go)

Not true. This subject has been covered in this forum. Any change in ownership both party has to renegotiate the license agreement and there's some wording about it having to be fair and in good faith.

 

[Fjodor2001]

How on earth would you imagine that to happen. And please show a previous case.

An agreement is made between AMD and Microsoft where AMD would buy Microsoft for a small amount of money. But that is just a technicality to keep the x86 license. Then they merge into a single company, Microsoft.

I'm not 100% certain it's legally possible, but I've heard others mention it on the forum before.

 

[TheELF]

Not true. This subject has been covered in this forum. Any change in ownership both party has to renegotiate the license agreement and there's some wording about it having to be fair and in good faith.

What did I say differently?

if someone other then intel buys amd they would have to strike the same deal with intel

If amd changes ownership and ceases to exist then how can the nonexistent amd renegotiate anything?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Moving to ARM would be possible, but it would also break backwards compatibility with current x86 based consoles.

BTW: Funny that you now consider ARM powerful enough for gaming consoles, but previously considered ARM to not be powerful enough for MacBookAir or desktops even when looking ahead.

I think you forget what powers the consoles.

Breaking compatibility is the norm for consoles. The only real exception is Wii to Wii U.

 

[ShintaiDK]

An agreement is made between AMD and Microsoft where AMD would buy Microsoft for a small amount of money. But that is just a technicality to keep the x86 license. Then they merge into a single company, Microsoft.

I'm not 100% certain it's legally possible, but I've heard others mention it on the forum before.

The company would have to be named AMD.

And what you propose is both illegal and would be completely impossible. And its utter nonsense to even consider it some kind of possibility.

 

[ShintaiDK]

(Basically if someone wants to close down intel they buy amd and take off with the licences,intel would for example have to revert to intel64 which is not compatible and down the drain they go)

No. This is already covered in the agreement. In the case someone buys AMD, Intel wins so to say.

These armies of lawyers got everything covered.

 

[Phynaz]

But wait, I thought some private equity firm was buying a stake in AMD!?

Or was it Samsung was going to buy them?

Wait, it's Apple that is going to buy them!

No, it's that unnamed Chinese company!


Nope, temperature in Hell is the same.

 

[positivedoppler]

What did I say differently?


If amd changes ownership and ceases to exist then how can the nonexistent amd renegotiate anything?

Just the part about buying AMD and forcing Intel into reverting to Intel64. If AMD would cease to exist, I imagine the new owner have to negotiate with Intel. If somehow AMD cease to exist, who's going to stop Intel from using AMD64

 

[WelshBloke]

Isn't AMD's x86 license non-transferable?

Is the x86 licence even still a thing?

I'm sure there are a butt ton of cross licence things going on but scrapping those would hurt Intel a lot as well so I guess they would just get renegotiated with the new buyer?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Intel is also a US military supplier. So we all know how the result would be in any case. Legal or not.

 

[KingFatty]

Has someone done the calculation to figure out what stock price where AMD would become a good deal?

Then we could just watch the stock price dropping as though it's a countdown to new years /sale.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Has someone done the calculation to figure out what stock price where AMD would become a good deal?

Then we could just watch the stock price dropping as though it's a countdown to new years /sale.

As long as AMD has to deal with WSA, more debt than they are worth, contracts, commitments, a completely failed CPU division, a GPU division in severe downfall.

Less than 0?

They really need an ATI spinoff to have something to sell. An ATI without any dead people in the closets.

If we imagined someone that bought AMD in its current state. The restructuring would be an epic mammoth task and you have to layoff huge amounts of people. While you kept dumping large amount of money down a bottomless hole for the years ahead.

It would be better to buy bean cans and a warehouse.

 

[TheELF]

If somehow AMD cease to exist, who's going to stop Intel from using AMD64

Just because a company goes bye-bye doesn't mean that anyone can just use their licenses.
But it does make sense that something like this would be covered in the agreement.

 

[TheELF]

As long as AMD has to deal with WSA, more debt than they are worth, contracts, commitments, a completely failed CPU division, a GPU division in severe downfall.

Less than 0?

If you save the same amount of money in research it would still make it profitable. (maybe)

 

[ShintaiDK]

If you save the same amount of money in research it would still make it profitable. (maybe)

That is one possible option. But its not sustainable. So they would be axing pretty much close to all employees in the company besides a skeleton crew. But the goal of that would be to milk the company dry before a closure and selloff any IP. In the evil world of finance capitalism that would work.

 

[SPBHM]

I think you forget what powers the consoles.

Breaking compatibility is the norm for consoles. The only real exception is Wii to Wii U.

it was the same with Gamecube to Wii,
PS1 to PS2,
PS2 to PS3 originally had some compatibility,
Xbox 360 emulated most Xbox games,
Xbox One is emulating a few Xbox 360 games,
PS Vita I think ran all PSP games,
the Nintendo portables also had a lot of versions compatible with older ones,

if they could keep compatibility I think they would, but for this gen there was really no sense in keeping Cell/Power PC and so on...

 

[ultimatebob]

No, it's that unnamed Chinese company!

I wonder what would happen if a Chinese company bought AMD, and they got caught installing government sponsored spyware built into the product's firmware.

Would it be enough to convince the diehard AMD fanboys to finally switch to Intel processors?

Probably not.. those guys are pretty stubborn.

 

[Lonyo]

The company would have to be named AMD.

And what you propose is both illegal and would be completely impossible. And its utter nonsense to even consider it some kind of possibility.

1) Why would it be impossible?
2) What makes it illegal?

Also did you know Google recently renamed itself, and no one really gave a damn.

I would agree that it is nonsense to consider it as a possibility, since IMO there's no realistic reason Microsoft would want to buy AMD as there is little to no benefit from it.

 

[Systems analyst]

It is interesting to speculate about this.
Microsoft have an ARM architecture licence; source: ARM.
If they want to use it, they would need a design team.
They have their own internal market for servers, maybe ARM powered, and maybe an ARM powered variant of the Surface.
Their Surface project seems to be copying Apple, the sincerest form of flattery.
Reverse takeovers or reverse subsidiary mergers are possible, presumably; www.nasdaq.com refers.
But what are the chances of any of this?

 

[ShintaiDK]

1) Why would it be impossible?
2) What makes it illegal?

Also did you know Google recently renamed itself, and no one really gave a damn.

I would agree that it is nonsense to consider it as a possibility, since IMO there's no realistic reason Microsoft would want to buy AMD as there is little to no benefit from it.

MS would be sold way below cost with a factor of 250 or more?
MS would do so against all its shareholder value.

It would be financial fraud at best. But again its impossible because such a sale would never be able to materialize.

 

[ultimatebob]

It is interesting to speculate about this.
Microsoft have an ARM architecture licence; source: ARM.
If they want to use it, they would need a design team.
They have their own internal market for servers, maybe ARM powered, and maybe an ARM powered variant of the Surface.
Their Surface project seems to be copying Apple, the sincerest form of flattery.
Reverse takeovers or reverse subsidiary mergers are possible, presumably; www.nasdaq.com refers.
But what are the chances of any of this?

Microsoft just let their ARM version of Windows (RT) die, and the newest Surface has an Intel processor. I doubt that they are interested in more ARM products at this point.

 

[Systems analyst]

It does seem unlikely, but Windows 10 will run on ARM powered machines, and Nadella wants Windows 10 to be everywhere, including IoT. Microsoft are also supporting ARM powered servers.

 

[Dresdenboy]

Ask yourself why these rumours always comes from the most questionable sites that mainly lives by clickbait stories.

Then take a look at the stock market and take a wild guess if you think anyone with money believes in it.

Yep, there is no capital out there to be chase any fancy trading idea.


I've an eye on these charts since 2003 and I can tell you that this drying up (even accounting for the scaling) the 2 hours before the news is also very unusual.