MS would be sold way below cost with a factor of 250 or more?
MS would do so against all its shareholder value.
It would be financial fraud at best. But again its impossible because such a sale would never be able to materialize.
Yep, there is no capital out there to be chase any fancy trading idea.
I've an eye on these charts since 2003 and I can tell you that this drying up (even accounting for the scaling) the 2 hours before the news is also very unusual.
Actually even ATI division is a mess and less and less people are gonna buy it... Even Apple is on their tiers now.
The ATI division still holds value and useable IP. Plus its transferable.
After the Fury fiasco I can't say like that anymore... It turned into a brutal worthless mess and is losing value each month of their dissaster. Even separating, they will die really fast, even maybe they die faster than the CPU divisiob
But one thing is sure. When AMD separates the GPU and CPU division, it will be the end of PS4, XB1 and Nintendo Nx.
Unless Intel starts to make those consoles with Atom/Celeron chips and Nvidia gives a GT920 dGPU on there.
Sometimes, even if something is free it can be expensive.
Its quite clear that nobody is interested in AMD. An ATI spinoff is another matter tho.
If Apple can design their own CPUs, Microsoft should be able to do that as well, assuming they get something to start from by buying AMD.
In addition Microsoft could get a monopoly on next gen consoles based on AMD x86 APU tech. They would not have to sell APUs to Sony for their PS5.
The company would have to be named AMD.
And what you propose is both illegal and would be completely impossible. And its utter nonsense to even consider it some kind of possibility.
Nope. There are a lot of competition. Even NVIDIA and Intel are failing hard to enter to that sector... And even despite the heroic effort of nVIDIA on entering to ARM sector, they didn't managed to get a spot on there.Discrete GPUs are dying, no matter if its nVidia or ATI.
A spinoff would base its future on licensing designs and IP out to be used in SoCs.
If Intel decides to negotiate in bad faith AMD can pull the AMD64 license.AMD is already dead and Intel won the war.. Remember that their agreement includes that if AMD tries to sell part of their CPU division, they will lose automatically all the x86 licenses towards Intel FOR FREE!
I'm going to quote this just because I have a strong feeling you and the people who thing this will be very very wrong.AMD is doomed for good...
"Intel tries to buy out AMD. You won't believe what happens next..."
I think a Samsung buyout is more likely. I miss the K8 days, those were exciting
Sadly, AMD has everything to lose. Intel won... However I can't say the same for the customers...If Intel decides to negotiate in bad faith AMD can pull the AMD64 license.
I'm going to quote this just because I have a strong feeling you and the people who thing this will be very very wrong.
AMD's main problem is their debt load. Their low stock price is partly a reflection of that problem. The other problem is that their market valuation is currently below that of their debt load, if I recall correctly.
"Intel Node-Shrinks Bulldozer to 10nm, And It's Awesome!"
Yeah, right.
OK, let's try that headline again.
"Samsung Node-Shrinks GCN to 10nm, And It's Awesome!"
Now that I'd believe. :awe:
nVIDIA dares to do that, and Intel permanently annul nVIDIA on CPU market in ANY ways.If anyone was going to buy AMD, I would think that it would be NVidia.
Think about it... not only would they kill off their remaining competitor for discrete graphics cards, but it would give them a major presence in the console market as well.
NVidia could probably also use their low power graphics prowess to give AMD's APU products a boost, and they could use AMD's flash memory in other NVidia products.
I'm not sure what they would do with the discrete desktop and server processors, though. If they were smart, they would sell that tech to a Chinese company like Lenovo who could better compete with Intel on price at the lower end.
there's nothing to gain for anybody to buy AMD as is. X86 is a mess, death by a thousand bulldozers.
GPU / Radeon / ATI is another story. lots of interested parties for whom a few billion is nothing. equity types are smart - tough environment to invest in right now. whereas ATI? it's all upside.
The Bernstein upgrade and Division announcement by Lisa Su is a lot of smoke.
So you're saying gaming console such as XBONE/PS4 needs less CPU performance than a MBA?I think you forget what powers the consoles.
So you're saying gaming console such as XBONE/PS4 needs less CPU performance than a MBA?
I dunno man, I think AMD's GPU business is already too niche in the grand scheme of things. High-powered GPUs are a shrinking segment in a shrinking market. Their APU concept was a one-off lightning in the bottle with the current gen console wins which won't be replicated again by the time the next gen consoles comes around when ARM CPUs/GPUs has so much momentum now.
Discrete GPUs are dying, no matter if its nVidia or ATI.
A spinoff would base its future on licensing designs and IP out to be used in SoCs.
Well a new ATI would have to change targets completely. But its quite possible to make a good business out of it. But the first thing people have to do is to forget all about discrete GPUs.
A new ATI would compete against PowerVR, Imagination etc.
Even vanilla ARM console SoCs is possible for a new ATI.