All GTX cards account as gaming cards. And its not sustainable. What happens when AMD dont have anymore to lose in dGPU share?
http://files.shareholder.com/downlo...8-2346D1AABED8/Q216_CFO_Commentary_NASDAQ.pdf
Q2 2015 to Q2 2016 GPU sales is up 9% from 878M$ to 959M$. At the same time nVidia went from 62% to 81.9% marketshare. Or a 32.1% increase. See the point? 9% vs 32.1%. GTX sales up 51% and so on.
This is probably the most accurate assessment that I've seen. As IGPs grow in performance, they will need R&D, and that same R&D can be turned around and scaled up to produce dGPUs. If there's still demand for dGPUs, then I have no doubt that they will be produced. (At least, until PCI-E dies.)
Ehm no
1. Q2 2015 to Q2 2016 GPU REVENUE is up 9%
2. At the same time, GPU Shipments vs AMD shipments went up from 62% to 82%.
3. In Q2 2015 NVIDIA shipments volume went down 16% vs Q1 2015 according to JPR.
So, with 16% less volume shipments (less OEM sub $100 dGPUs sold), they increased REVENUE by 9%.
I see dGPU's going the way of desktop CPU's. That is, they probably won't be designed for desktop use first, but we'll get the scraps of what they can make work. They'll design for mobile or workstation and scale up or down to make it work on as a desktop part, kind of like AMD's and Intel's CPU line up now.
Yes, GTX sales up. Due to cannibalizing on AMD. That cant continue forever.
Why do you think it will sell like hotcakes?
And the Nano is essentially what you could get a year ago and cheaper.
Yes but NVIDIA will not go down if AMD will gain on GPU shipments and thus dGPUs are not going to die. That is because NVIDIA and AMD are also investing on more than the Gaming PC market. They selling to new markets using the same technology/Architectures made for the PC ( Consoles, Cars, Phones etc etc).
Are you saying Steams 125million+ users isnt statistically accurate for the broad base of gamers?
Whats next, dGPU sales isnt in free fall?
Again . . . what? What product, one year ago, gives you that kind of performance per watt that will fit into an mITX chassis? I admit, the price is higher than makes sense, but as a product it's very nice.
Again . . . what? What product, one year ago, gives you that kind of performance per watt that will fit into an mITX chassis? I admit, the price is higher than makes sense, but as a product it's very nice.
MiniITX case? Plenty. I have used MiniITX that is smaller than 2 of the 3 cases AMD demoed for Nano for years with full length cards.
Its only a tiny niche that needs Mini/Nano cards. The standard is pretty much full sized cards or low profile single slot/no cards.
The interposer is the alleged reason for poor availability of Fiji parts. AMD can't get enough of the things for larger shipping volumes. That being said, AMD *is* trying an interposer, and Fiji is their test case. If it works out, yes, theoretically, they could use interposers and try die stacking on APU/CPU products as well. I'm not sure how the thermals will work out for them. GPUs tend to run hot, so if it works for Fiji, I don't see why not use it for something on AM4 (for example).
Steam currently has 275 FREE games, of those the vast majority can be played with HD4000 and above iGPUs at 720p or above.
You can play the vast majority of them on a AMD A8-A10 APU at 1080p(especially with Kaveri APUs).
At home I have a main Gaming PC with an i7 3770K and HD7950 with steam installed. I have an SFF HTPC with an AMD APU that also has steam installed to play games on my large TV. Car simulators and other less demanding free games that my wife and children of friends coming home play. Wife using a laptop with steam installed as well, fully capable of playing those free Steam games.
My main Gaming PC has took part in the Steam Hardware Survey ONLY two or three times the last 24 months or so. The HTPC was second with 3 or 4 times if i remember correctly and wife's Laptop took more than 5 (she plays more hours than me by far being home with the kid all day).
See above, my main PC hasn't participated on Steam Hardware Survey the last 6 months or more. There is no data from my main Gaming PC in the current Steam Hardware Survey.
Ohh one more thing,
NOT everyone with a steam account is taking the survey every month. That can happen because you might not open Steam that day the survey it takes place.
I really dont remember when was the last time i took the survey.
So Steam accounts may be 125M, but not everyone takes the survey every month and that also skews the results.
But there are a huge number of people that play facebook games, and also a huge number that play on POGO and other free games that are not on Steam. I dont have the time to look it up, but I bet those two combined are a lot larger that all Steam members combined.
My wife for instance plays some game called gardens of time on facebook. It is a hidden object, building game. That game alone has over a million members, and that is only one game, and not one of the most popular. And nearly every one of my family and relatives plays slots or scrabble or some other such game on facebook and/or pogo, and none of them have a steam account.
That is a really odd reason for poor availability. Is this something AMD actually went on record stating or is this just a personal opinion?
The reason I ask is because saying you have an interposer supply shortfall is like saying you have a shortage of packaging materials, which while possible is frankly absurd unless supply chain incompetence is afoot.
"Sir, we spent 4 years designing and developing a multi-billion xtor IC for fabrication on a leading edge process node, but James over in packaging forgot to order the damn cardboard boxes in time for us to actually pack these chips for retail distribution, doh! Our multi-billion dollar product offering is now hamstrung for lack of roughly $3k worth of cardboard boxes."
well this conversation is outdated with the inception of the 970 Mini.
You can now do what he asked and keep it small and tight with the performance of a mid-high tier full sized ATX gaming rig.
But there are a huge number of people that play facebook games, and also a huge number that play on POGO and other free games that are not on Steam. I dont have the time to look it up, but I bet those two combined are a lot larger that all Steam members combined.
My wife for instance plays some game called gardens of time on facebook. It is a hidden object, building game. That game alone has over a million members, and that is only one game, and not one of the most popular. And nearly every one of my family and relatives plays slots or scrabble or some other such game on facebook and/or pogo, and none of them have a steam account.
1 yr ago?
i5 Haswell + Z97itx + 970GTX (if nono 760/770GTX) + evga Hadron case.
well this conversation is outdated with the inception of the 970 Mini.
That is a really odd reason for poor availability. Is this something AMD actually went on record stating or is this just a personal opinion?
I never said people only play on Steam, i said people with iGPUs also play games on Steam.
Gigabyte thoughwell this conversation is outdated with the inception of the 970 Mini.
You can now do what he asked and keep it small and tight with the performance of a mid-high tier full sized ATX gaming rig.
Maybe put this into context.
Who do you think is more likely to be using steam, someone who has a dGPU or an iGPU?
Anyway, I don't know why you're challenging steam as a valid source for trend analysis given that its purpose is to help developers know what their market (ie their customers) have, which pretty much rules out favoritism on their part. But it doesn't really matter. There are tons of other sources to show that dGPUs are in decline.
I also question the idea that high-end GPUs will dominate the market, an idea that AMD/Nvidia push and many here regurgitate.
I don't have time to research it at the moment but I seem to recall seeing average cost of an AIB dGPU going down for the past 5 years.
Sounds to me like the age-old executive tactic of saying "we'll make up for lost sales by selling more expensive stuff". This is a common misdirection type of statement for any business competing in a declining market.
NVIDIA with a 16% volume decline had a 9% increase of REVENUE.
If you're content with a slower video card, you can get a GTX 970. If you want something faster that's still in the same perf/watt category, you've got Fury Nano.
And that's why the Nano is a good product. Hell it's faster than a GTX 980 in a lot of benches . . .
The main issue is storage cages and PSU. As long as these are in the case, something like Mini/Nano cards dont make much sense. Those trying usually end up with no airflow.
Ill give you an example why,
On Steam Hardware Survey August 2015, Intel HD4000 (Ivybridge) has an increase of a huge 4.7% vs July 2015.
Are you suggesting that more people buy IvyBridge CPUs in 2015 than Haswell ???
No, that is a nice demonstration of what im saying the last pages, it seems that more people with Ivybridge Desktops/Laptos took the Steam Hardware Survey in August and the HD4000 gained this huge increase.
BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN its a tread of the current market.
There are cases.... just not easy to obtain...
If microsoft was to obtain ATi... i would not be surprised if they made it so you could play Xbox games on a Ati card with a special Xbox chip built in.
If they did this.... Nvidia would have issues... imagine playing a AAA Xbox title on your PC via a Special Ati Card you can buy which allows just that.