Hellgate first impressions?

[pontifex]

The more I play the less I want to play. Besides all the drab same environments the gear that drops is useless. everything seems to be like 4-5 levels below you. trying to keep your current gear leveled with the nano thing is next to impossible because it takes so many mats to update.

if i beat the game i certainly won't play it again on a harder difficulty. right now i doubt i'll even finish it.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: pontifex
The more I play the less I want to play. Besides all the drab same environments the gear that drops is useless. everything seems to be like 4-5 levels below you. trying to keep your current gear leveled with the nano thing is next to impossible because it takes so many mats to update.

if i beat the game i certainly won't play it again on a harder difficulty. right now i doubt i'll even finish it.

first of all, gear drops are NOT useless [except for bosses and they are still random crap sometimes] - the 'crap' can be broken down to useful upgrade parts or simply sold

as to the environment ... even Oblivion - and especially the Gates - were painful if you played them enough ... i like the ever increasing challenge in Hg:L and need to change tactics and strategy completely as you go to nightmare

Forget everything negative i said about playing on Nightmare
-i got discouraged too easily last night

i figured out how to [easily] beat demons ten or MORE levels above you - as a Summoner - i am sure there are other ways for other classes ...

i just needed to think a bit ... like the devs must have
... and it is a bit unusual i thought that they would pit you against ever increasing [evidently] hopeless odds - i.e. you level slowly but face NPCs that level much faster and are waaaay stonger ... so ....


*****************SPOILERS*************************

First of all, definitely DO go back and play some earlier maps to get "almost" level up ... then head for your hard map and level in the middle of the battle - a sure win if you are careful

also make sure to have an "escape portal" prepared ... leaving with bags of loot and getting healed and refreshed at the Station is under-appreciated, i think.

Finally, use "mind control" weapons - they become more plentiful on nightmare... max that weapon out - it will work on everything but Big Bosses - simply control the 2nd most powerful enemy at a time and use him 'till he dies and go on down the line until only your strongest "borrowed" NPC is left ... you can keep holding him while you call your minions back ... then finish him off easily. Of course, use the two pistols together - one for mind-control and the other to shoot with
:evil:

level 50 here i come



BtW ... i see Archlord: The Legend of Chantra and Mage Knight: Apocalypse for the price of shipping at GoGamer ... ET:QW is also only $20 [$30 for all 3 games shipped]

Worth it?


i understand that ET:QW has a decent SP campaign ... really?
:Q

 

[Fenixgoon]

ETQW just has bots. there's no *real* SP campaign

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
ETQW just has bots. there's no *real* SP campaign

thanks

OK, i'll forget that one ... thanks ... what about the 2 games for the price of shipping

i need to learn to read

Archlord is MMO ... forget it


what about Mage Knight: Apocalypse for $6.50 shipped?


EDIT and Update: ... nevermind ... i just read the MK:A reviews ... fatally flawed

 

[apoppin]

well, i eschewed all new games ... all sales


... and am Level 35 ... i followed my own advice above ^^ [2 posts]

i am back on the MQ and slicing thru demon scum like a hot knife thru butter .. when you get *stopped*, just check you weapons for "low level" enhancements that need upgrading and if worst-comes-to-worst, just go back and replay maps with demons just slightly more powerful then your character ... you get to level very quickly and there are some really nice high-level weapons to equip

i got my money's worth

 

[apoppin]

*Stopped Dead*

Nasty Demon Bug that has corrupted my game save :|

i will try uninstalling it and visiting thee Hg:L forums ... but the game is unplayable
--the 10 elemental fire minions has reset to *one* ... nothing i can do as it shows 1/1 instead of 1/10

they needed more time with it before releasing it
:brokenheart:

6/10


if you are a HGL forum member my issue is not on their [huge] list:

http://forums.hellgatelondon.com/showthread.php?t=41103

my issue:

http://forums.hellgatelondon.c...hp?p=453261#post453261

sucks

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: apoppin
*Stopped Dead*

Nasty Demon Bug that has corrupted my game save :|

i will try uninstalling it and visiting thee Hg:L forums ... but the game is unplayable
--the 10 elemental fire minions has reset to *one* ... nothing i can do as it shows 1/1 instead of 1/10

they needed more time with it before releasing it
:brokenheart:

6/10


if you are a HGL forum member my issue is not on their [huge] list:

http://forums.hellgatelondon.com/showthread.php?t=41103

my issue:

http://forums.hellgatelondon.c...hp?p=453261#post453261

sucks

Do you have the Ember bug?

There is a bug whereby if you possess (more likely you use) an item with the Summon Ember (Evoker's version of Fire Elemental) skill on then that you then can only summon one elemental. It should be fixed by removing the item in question.

Covered here:

http://forums.hellgatelondon.com/showthread.php?t=49605

If your saved game has corrupted, thats another blackmark against Single Player. I have upgraded to the 169.12 Beta drivers for my 8800GT and I havent crashed yet. I did get the memory is all used up bug. I have 4 Gb on my 32-bit Vista 3.3Gb? so its odd but I didnt get that until after approximately 10 hours of uptime.

Still going strong, lvl 22 Elite Summoner, I am rocking the joint so much. Cannot wait until ROFLOL the Amused makes an appearance!!!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Elcs

Originally posted by: apoppin
*Stopped Dead*

Nasty Demon Bug that has corrupted my game save :|

i will try uninstalling it and visiting thee Hg:L forums ... but the game is unplayable
--the 10 elemental fire minions has reset to *one* ... nothing i can do as it shows 1/1 instead of 1/10

they needed more time with it before releasing it
:brokenheart:

6/10


if you are a HGL forum member my issue is not on their [huge] list:

http://forums.hellgatelondon.com/showthread.php?t=41103

my issue:

http://forums.hellgatelondon.c...hp?p=453261#post453261

sucks

Do you have the Ember bug?

There is a bug whereby if you possess (more likely you use) an item with the Summon Ember (Evoker's version of Fire Elemental) skill on then that you then can only summon one elemental. It should be fixed by removing the item in question.

Covered here:

http://forums.hellgatelondon.com/showthread.php?t=49605

If your saved game has corrupted, thats another blackmark against Single Player. I have upgraded to the 169.12 Beta drivers for my 8800GT and I havent crashed yet. I did get the memory is all used up bug. I have 4 Gb on my 32-bit Vista 3.3Gb? so its odd but I didnt get that until after approximately 10 hours of uptime.

Still going strong, lvl 22 Elite Summoner, I am rocking the joint so much. Cannot wait until ROFLOL the Amused makes an appearance!!!

effing wonderful

my *best* weapon just got upgraded to a "summon Ember"
:roll:


thanks ... i appreciate the help from a fellow Summoner ... i am reinstalling and uninstalling it ... hopefully it fixes everything

i'll report back this evening .. if it works, i should be Level 36 Summoner on Nightmare

someone also also reported it:
http://forums.hellgatelondon.c...hp?p=453261#post453261

 

[apoppin]

well, i fixed it - thanks for your help, Elcs ... as it turned out, you not have to only UN-equip the "summon ember" weapon, you need to *dismantle* it
... It was my best one ... and somehow - immediately after - i ended up playing for awhile with a bunch of *extra* elementals i never signed up for
----too bad i picked a "common property"
:roll:

Worst of all, now there is some occasional instability with respawning my Carnagor :|
- you "summon" him but nothing happens [maybe the 2nd or 3rd try] and sometimes the 'manna' points aren't allocated properly for other minions or you occasionally get skills you never allocated points for.:frown:

i made level 36 the 2nd time thru as Summoner - and my plan IS working [definitely play maps OVER again with enemy NPCs slightly higher than your level for fastest leveling] ... but the "magic" is so gone [after 150 hours] ... it is CLEAR that Flagship is working on the MP fix and setting the SP bugs aside for 'whenevers'

i think i will look forward to continuing this later on with the expansion
[i think i will end up giving it 7/10]

now ... where is the "save" so i can keep it when i uninstall Hg:L ?


i'm off to play either CoJ or SpellForce2
-the world didn't really end [yet]

 

[apoppin]

I think i can safely give my first impressions of Hellgate:London

We got to Level 50 Summoner in the Liverpool Station. I can *confirm* that there IS a Level 50 cap ... you do not level any further
... so i doubt it is *possible* to play it thru completely twice-in-a-row. i am guessing that my Level 50 will come up against Level 65 in the End and ...

well .... forget it ... i might just play to see how far i get ... but it's *finally* time for a NEW game
:thumbsup:

after ~400 hours ... 7.5/10 for the SP

it could have been a LOT better .... and i have hopes for an expansion .... none for multiplayer

 

[KeithTalent]

Well the multiplayer game has actually degraded with every patch for me. It is at the point now (after patch 0.7) where I cannot even play for 15 minutes without it completely locking up, forcing a ctl-alt-del restart.

I've pretty much written the damn thing off and have moved on to other things.

This is the first game I have played where the quality has degraded from beta, through the first patch, and every subsequent patch, to the point it is not even playable. Well played FFS, well played.

KT

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Well the multiplayer game has actually degraded with every patch for me. It is at the point now (after patch 0.7) where I cannot even play for 15 minutes without it completely locking up, forcing a ctl-alt-del restart.

I've pretty much written the damn thing off and have moved on to other things.

This is the first game I have played where the quality has degraded from beta, through the first patch, and every subsequent patch, to the point it is not even playable. Well played FFS, well played.

KT

you think that mark of the devil - "EA" - has anything to do with it?


thankfully the SP is relatively unbuggy ... i *could* finish it twice
... maybe

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Well the multiplayer game has actually degraded with every patch for me. It is at the point now (after patch 0.7) where I cannot even play for 15 minutes without it completely locking up, forcing a ctl-alt-del restart.

I've pretty much written the damn thing off and have moved on to other things.

This is the first game I have played where the quality has degraded from beta, through the first patch, and every subsequent patch, to the point it is not even playable. Well played FFS, well played.

KT

you think that mark of the devil - "EA" - has anything to do with it?


thankfully the SP is relatively unbuggy ... i *could* finish it twice
... maybe

I would not be surprised in the least if EA were not at least partially responsible for it, though to be honest I blame them for rushing this thing to market more than anything else.

I guess I will just shelf it again until patch 1.0 comes out and see if they have fixed my problem (I'm not the only one with it, there is an entire thread on the forums about it). Considering how things have been going though I'm almost scared to update again, they will probably end up wiping my entire hard drive with the next patch. :Q

Oh and by the way, If you want my advice, you should go play Condemned: Criminal Origins.

KT

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Well the multiplayer game has actually degraded with every patch for me. It is at the point now (after patch 0.7) where I cannot even play for 15 minutes without it completely locking up, forcing a ctl-alt-del restart.

I've pretty much written the damn thing off and have moved on to other things.

This is the first game I have played where the quality has degraded from beta, through the first patch, and every subsequent patch, to the point it is not even playable. Well played FFS, well played.

KT

you think that mark of the devil - "EA" - has anything to do with it?


thankfully the SP is relatively unbuggy ... i *could* finish it twice
... maybe

I would not be surprised in the least if EA were not at least partially responsible for it, though to be honest I blame them for rushing this thing to market more than anything else.

I guess I will just shelf it again until patch 1.0 comes out and see if they have fixed my problem (I'm not the only one with it, there is an entire thread on the forums about it). Considering how things have been going though I'm almost scared to update again, they will probably end up wiping my entire hard drive with the next patch. :Q

Oh and by the way, If you want my advice, you should go play Condemned: Criminal Origins.

KT

your advice?





sure ... thanks!

C:CO it is !!


--i have SpellForce2 installed on my computer but i never get beyond the tutorial ... it looks more like a *commitment* than a video game
:Q

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Well the multiplayer game has actually degraded with every patch for me. It is at the point now (after patch 0.7) where I cannot even play for 15 minutes without it completely locking up, forcing a ctl-alt-del restart.

I've pretty much written the damn thing off and have moved on to other things.

This is the first game I have played where the quality has degraded from beta, through the first patch, and every subsequent patch, to the point it is not even playable. Well played FFS, well played.

KT

you think that mark of the devil - "EA" - has anything to do with it?


thankfully the SP is relatively unbuggy ... i *could* finish it twice
... maybe

I would not be surprised in the least if EA were not at least partially responsible for it, though to be honest I blame them for rushing this thing to market more than anything else.

I guess I will just shelf it again until patch 1.0 comes out and see if they have fixed my problem (I'm not the only one with it, there is an entire thread on the forums about it). Considering how things have been going though I'm almost scared to update again, they will probably end up wiping my entire hard drive with the next patch. :Q

Oh and by the way, If you want my advice, you should go play Condemned: Criminal Origins.

KT

your advice?





sure ... thanks!

C:CO it is !!


--i have SpellForce2 installed on my computer but i never get beyond the tutorial ... it looks more like a *commitment* than a video game
:Q

Lol, that's never a good thing, especially for a guy.

I look forward to your C:CO review.

KT

 

[Smilin]

I quit.

I can't take anymore. It's so damn buggy and so damn boring.

How many times have I cleared that "hell" level? Seriously? It's not like I'm replaying the game..I'm still on my first run through. I'm not even near the end and I have LOST COUNT of how many times I have replayed this same area.

EVERY level in the game falls into one of these three:
1. The "hell" level (sometimes with the occasional 2nd portal into the hell level with the tall ceilings and columns.
2. The occassional "organic" level that somehow represents the inside of someone's mind or something.
3. A level that is gray. We should be allowed to run this thing in 16bit or 8bit color. I mean fvck they are only using shades of gray anyway.

The talent tree is completely boring and heaven forbid you make a mistake as a level 3 noob because you're stuck with the decision long after you have gained experience.

How many splash screens does it take to start a game? Holy crap! Top that off with crash after crash and it makes you want to vomit.

The nano forge is nifty I suppose. Too bad you have to haul trash loot and scraps around like a damn pack-mule to use it. I want to play a game, not stand around in a subway sorting and organizing everything. If that were fun my closet at home wouldn't be such a mess.

The weapon "variety" is a sham. Umpteen bajillion weapons and they all come down to: long range hitscan, medium range cone of fire hitscan, lobbing splash damage weapon. All the "mods" in the world don't really do squat.

Did I say it crashes?

The whole "infinite replayability" turns into "infinite repeating the same gray boring crap for the bajillionth time".

Diablo II LoD pwns this game.

Pay $$ per month for this game? ROFL dude that is the #2 joke of all time in the gaming industry, right next to Duke Nukem.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Smilin
I quit.

I can't take anymore. It's so damn buggy and so damn boring.

How many times have I cleared that "hell" level? Seriously? It's not like I'm replaying the game..I'm still on my first run through. I'm not even near the end and I have LOST COUNT of how many times I have replayed this same area.

EVERY level in the game falls into one of these three:
1. The "hell" level (sometimes with the occasional 2nd portal into the hell level with the tall ceilings and columns.
2. The occassional "organic" level that somehow represents the inside of someone's mind or something.
3. A level that is gray. We should be allowed to run this thing in 16bit or 8bit color. I mean fvck they are only using shades of gray anyway.

The talent tree is completely boring and heaven forbid you make a mistake as a level 3 noob because you're stuck with the decision long after you have gained experience.

How many splash screens does it take to start a game? Holy crap! Top that off with crash after crash and it makes you want to vomit.

The nano forge is nifty I suppose. Too bad you have to haul trash loot and scraps around like a damn pack-mule to use it. I want to play a game, not stand around in a subway sorting and organizing everything. If that were fun my closet at home wouldn't be such a mess.

The weapon "variety" is a sham. Umpteen bajillion weapons and they all come down to: long range hitscan, medium range cone of fire hitscan, lobbing splash damage weapon. All the "mods" in the world don't really do squat.

Did I say it crashes?

The whole "infinite replayability" turns into "infinite repeating the same gray boring crap for the bajillionth time".

Diablo II LoD pwns this game.

Pay $$ per month for this game? ROFL dude that is the #2 joke of all time in the gaming industry, right next to Duke Nukem.

the crashing thing ... are you playing online or SP?

i got to Level 50 [got past Liverpool then 2nd time] as a Summoner and then i gave up as it got *impossible* on Nightmare. i had very few issues in SP [except for the "train station"] but found MP as buggy as hell and barely finished it the first time thru.

i think the devs are referring to replayability in the types of characters you can create - certainly there isn't much variety ... and enough flaws to keep me from recommending the game - except as bargain bin
- you couldn't *pay me* to play online again

 

[livingsacrifice]

I just bought this from someone, came with 2 characters both at level 35 but I have no clue whats going on in the game. Graphics look great though reminds me more of like a Guild Wars type MMO instead of other ones I'm used to. I was never into Diablo, more of a Starcraft/Warcraft player. I really haven't given it much of a play since I am addicted to WOW but maybe someday I'll give it a chance.

 

[Stg-Flame]

The Online is now fun since my buddy picked this up. Going co-op with someone else is pretty entertaining. However, he gets constant Network Errors, whereas I don't.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: apoppin
I think i can safely give my first impressions of Hellgate:London

We got to Level 50 Summoner in the Liverpool Station. I can *confirm* that there IS a Level 50 cap ... you do not level any further
... so i doubt it is *possible* to play it thru completely twice-in-a-row. i am guessing that my Level 50 will come up against Level 65 in the End and ...

well .... forget it ... i might just play to see how far i get ... but it's *finally* time for a NEW game
:thumbsup:

after ~400 hours ... 7.5/10 for the SP

it could have been a LOT better .... and i have hopes for an expansion .... none for multiplayer

you have a much higher tolerance for crap than i do.
after ~400 hours i;d be trying to commit suicide. hell, afte the few hours i did put into i want to gouge my eyes out.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: apoppin
I think i can safely give my first impressions of Hellgate:London

We got to Level 50 Summoner in the Liverpool Station. I can *confirm* that there IS a Level 50 cap ... you do not level any further
... so i doubt it is *possible* to play it thru completely twice-in-a-row. i am guessing that my Level 50 will come up against Level 65 in the End and ...

well .... forget it ... i might just play to see how far i get ... but it's *finally* time for a NEW game
:thumbsup:

after ~400 hours ... 7.5/10 for the SP

it could have been a LOT better .... and i have hopes for an expansion .... none for multiplayer

you have a much higher tolerance for crap than i do.
after ~400 hours i;d be trying to commit suicide. hell, afte the few hours i did put into i want to gouge my eyes out.

Hg:L isn't crap ... 7.5/10 is fairly good in my book. There are definite irritations and issues ... but the *overall* single-player experience is pretty good ... enough to get me to the Level 50 cap.

Now IF i had been forced to play an Engineer on Nightmare to Level 50, i'd be blind by now

:laugh:

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: apoppin

the crashing thing ... are you playing online or SP?

i got to Level 50 [got past Liverpool then 2nd time] as a Summoner and then i gave up as it got *impossible* on Nightmare. i had very few issues in SP [except for the "train station"] but found MP as buggy as hell and barely finished it the first time thru.

i think the devs are referring to replayability in the types of characters you can create - certainly there isn't much variety ... and enough flaws to keep me from recommending the game - except as bargain bin
- you couldn't *pay me* to play online again

[/quote]

Crashes both online and SP.

I'll admit it has gotten MUCH better but it is still ludicrous. In the beginning I was playing with 2 buddies online and of the 3-4 hours we played together we were all three actually in the game together maybe 30minutes of that time. The rest of the time one or more of us was reloading or reconnecting.

I still get "out of memory" errors after about half dozen trips to town. I think the game is failing to flush old areas out... seems to happen about the time the app grows to 1.3 gig of memory (is it mapping my video card memory to user space I wonder?)


The replayability was supposed to come from:
1. A Deep items tree.
2. Random levels.

The problem is the items are just variants of a core set that isn't terribly exciting. You've got sniper rifle X1a, x2b, super x2ba etc.. It sucks.

The random levels fail the test because they are all reusing texture sets so despite random map layout it all still feels the same. If they brought say 5-10 more "tilesets" in then I would agree it would seem very "new" each time.

Think of diablo 1 as an example: You had the church/dungeon set, the catacombs, the caves, and the 'hell' tilesets. Now imagine diablo 1 with level after level of random catacombs. That's what hellgate feels like to me. It only took like 4 tilesets in diablo to give tons of replayability and diablo II only had like what, 10? (rough guess). The tilesets differed a great deal though.

Hellgate on the other hand pretty much seems to have indoor/subway and like 3 minor variations of outdoor (open street, tight street, river basin) and the textures in all the variants are just plain gray.

The dev team needs to beat up the art team, lock them in a room for a year and not let them out until they come up with at least 5 more variations. At least come up with ONE other variant of "hell"...the game is called hellgate after all.


I'm glad to hear you're having fun with it. It sounds like you are having more of the experience I was hoping for...a new addiction similar to Diablo. I think I'm gonna go back and grab the Titan Quest expansion and go that route.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: apoppin

the crashing thing ... are you playing online or SP?

i got to Level 50 [got past Liverpool then 2nd time] as a Summoner and then i gave up as it got *impossible* on Nightmare. i had very few issues in SP [except for the "train station"] but found MP as buggy as hell and barely finished it the first time thru.

i think the devs are referring to replayability in the types of characters you can create - certainly there isn't much variety ... and enough flaws to keep me from recommending the game - except as bargain bin
- you couldn't *pay me* to play online again

Crashes both online and SP.

I'll admit it has gotten MUCH better but it is still ludicrous. In the beginning I was playing with 2 buddies online and of the 3-4 hours we played together we were all three actually in the game together maybe 30minutes of that time. The rest of the time one or more of us was reloading or reconnecting.

I still get "out of memory" errors after about half dozen trips to town. I think the game is failing to flush old areas out... seems to happen about the time the app grows to 1.3 gig of memory (is it mapping my video card memory to user space I wonder?)


The replayability was supposed to come from:
1. A Deep items tree.
2. Random levels.

The problem is the items are just variants of a core set that isn't terribly exciting. You've got sniper rifle X1a, x2b, super x2ba etc.. It sucks.

The random levels fail the test because they are all reusing texture sets so despite random map layout it all still feels the same. If they brought say 5-10 more "tilesets" in then I would agree it would seem very "new" each time.

Think of diablo 1 as an example: You had the church/dungeon set, the catacombs, the caves, and the 'hell' tilesets. Now imagine diablo 1 with level after level of random catacombs. That's what hellgate feels like to me. It only took like 4 tilesets in diablo to give tons of replayability and diablo II only had like what, 10? (rough guess). The tilesets differed a great deal though.

Hellgate on the other hand pretty much seems to have indoor/subway and like 3 minor variations of outdoor (open street, tight street, river basin) and the textures in all the variants are just plain gray.

The dev team needs to beat up the art team, lock them in a room for a year and not let them out until they come up with at least 5 more variations. At least come up with ONE other variant of "hell"...the game is called hellgate after all.


I'm glad to hear you're having fun with it. It sounds like you are having more of the experience I was hoping for...a new addiction similar to Diablo. I think I'm gonna go back and grab the Titan Quest expansion and go that route.
[/quote][/quote]






i am *done* with it ... it became *impossible* on Nightmare ... especially since you are capped at level 50 and the enemy NPCs continue to level up

Did you install the MS hotfix for large addressing or are you using 64-bit?
The 'out of memory' messages stopped after i installed it - and especially after the patch. i also found that shadows set to 'medium' really helped.

yes, they could have done a LOT better for $25 million
:roll:

Give *me* twenty-five million and i'll make a REAL game in 5 years

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: apoppin
It sucks.

*gasp* :shocked:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: apoppin
It sucks.

*gasp* :shocked:

come on... taken waaaaay outta context
... you ought to spend some time in Video Forum

Overall the SP got a 7.5 out of me ... and there was a lot of frustration and mixed emotions ... Hg:L could have been *great* ... and it wasn't too bad for a 40-hour SP experience that could be extended by Nightmare if you wanted a real challenge.