Help change my P3 system to AMD TB!

[hacgumyu]

i own a Dell P3 733 with intel 815 motherboard.. how hard it will be to change my system to AMD? I know i only need a new motherboard amd the cpu chip, right? other things I miss?
BTW any good deal on those 2 things? which motherboard & cpu chip have good OC ability?

plz help newbie to AMD since my last 3 computer is all INTEL. Now AMD kicks intel's ass I really want to switch instead buy a new one!

I want TB 1.2Ghz above with 266 OH do I need buy new case too? dell 4100 case fits AMD motherboard?

 

[TuffGuy]

yeah, that should be all that you have to change. along with the heatsink.

what kind of power supply do you have? if you have a lot of components, you might also have to get a new power supply, for which i'd recommend the 400w enermax.

mobo - iwill kk266 ~$120
chip - tbird 1.0ghz/1.2ghz w/ 266mhz fsb ~$110/$140
hsf - taisol cgk760092 ~$40
ps - ~$90 (if needed)

 

[Richardito]

For a cheap and powerful system get a Duron ($30) and an Abit KT7E ($90) motherboard with a good HSF (like my $20 Vantec). Unlock the CPU and you will have the ability to reach about 1GHz and have 266MHz FSB. This setup will be a P4 killer with all of the overclocking goodies. Look at my stats below...

 

[TuffGuy]

dunno about a duron being a p4 killer, but it *is* cheap.

 

[Wingznut]

You will need a new power supply too. And possibly a case also.

P4 killer? C'mon...

 

[GundamF91]

heheh.....733 to 1.2 isn't as much as my leap from PII-233 to 1.2Ghz.

Would you need a spare PC around the house? If so, you'd be better off buying a new case, and sharing some RAM and HD. Hopefully you'd have enough components to split into 2 PCs. If not, a mobo and CPU/HSF's all you'll need. Be sure your Dell case is ATX compatible.

 

[jscobie]

your gonna need alot more...DELL makes things so they need DELL specific drivers most of the times...but what is left after the tear out, Hardware should be fine, but remember you need a REAL win98/SE/2k to install (if you chose the weak and slow windows, try linux, comparing both my duron 800 is far happier in the linux at 1.0G, but win likes to hold me to 945)
your power supply should be changed to 300 watts for a t-bird or duron, and ALL durons to date ARE NOT 266FSB, rather 200FSB...whoever said that needs to keep on smoking! also seems odd as AMD says the Duron will only handle 1.85 V, so basically i would think 2.2 is a huge lie, now a t-bird is 266 and will hit 2.2 if im not mistaken.
and the Duron couldnt ever beat a P4 they dont even have the same setting, Durons at their best might compete (and lose alot) to a P3 of equal speed...the Celeron2 is created to be the Duron competition...
Also to the guy with the 266FSB Duron...show me where on any site they make/sell or have this.

EDIT...
AMD just replyed to my email...no Durons can hold to 2.2V and none are 266FSB..plus he went from 600 to 1+ Gig...thats not really feasible...
Good luck...chances are the case the Dell has is ATX, but it might be UATX...

 

[TheCorm]

If it's a standard ATX case then u shouldn't have a problem. Check the output, many OEM system have 200w PSU's althought this will be okay if you go for a duron but not for a tbird.

I would jsocbie's advice and format the hard drive, get rid of the rubbish so that you can feel the real benefit.

Do you currently use the 815 Graphics and sound, if so...you'll need to replace those of course.

 

[aznmist]

I'm selling what u want...
http://forums.anandtech.com/message...52&highlight_key=y&keyword1=k7 master

 

[RTSgod]

AMD proc in a dell case!! LOL Mike Dell would not like that. Him and Intel are in bed together.

 

[Hammbone]

jscobie, i think he was talking about getting a 266fsb WHEN the chip is overclocked, lowering the multiplier and cranking the fsb up. i might be mistaken though............

 

[Garion]

If you've got the cash, go for one of the new AYHJA tepping t-birds @1.33 or @1.4. Spend a bit of extra cash on this and you'll get a lot more performance. Chuck the Dell case - Chances are it won't fit your new motherboard - New cases are cheap.

To get best performance, you'll want to get a DDR motherboard and some good RAM. You'll still get great performance with your normal current ram (unless it's PC100), but DDR will give you the best.

If you can hold on for another month or so, the new SIS 735 chipset motherboard would be perfect for your needs. It has both DDR and SDRAM slots on board, allowing you to use your current RAM until you can get it upgraded. Also, current benchmarks show it smoking everything else out there on the market today.

Last word of advise.. Buy your CPU locally - It might cost you another $15 or so, but you can actually see it before you buy it. No need to buy a new chip and find out it's not EXACTLY what you want.

- G

 

[hacgumyu]

thx to everyone for replying. I know it sound weir and dump to have dell case to carry rocking TB and Iwill/Eprox motherboard. since dont have lots cash to burn(i probably can throw in $300or$400MAX for this change) so I wondering all the powersupple change and the case, also extra cooling... btw I dont really want to throw away my current 256mb sdram for DDR. altho sdram in cheap now!

please tell me what i can do with those $$4 for the BEST TB system possibly!!
not sure I need:
POWER SUPPLY
MOTHERBOARD
TB CHIP
COOLING???
any hot deal on them? what brand u guys suggest

take a look at my current RIG might let u know more about my dell

THANKSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! again for all advises

 

[mlchang]

I recommend an IWill KK266. I've got one running a 1.33 TBird (not OC'ed yet, waiting for a new heatsink to come in). It is quite stable, and easy to setup. Plus, there are some great resources in the form of the amdmb.com forum and the fullon3D IWIll KK266 FAQ. Plus newegg.com has them in stock for 107.00 plus 5.00 for shipping here..

As for power supply, I'm doing fine with an Antec PP303X 300W. I've got 2 case fans, a DVD-ROM, a CD-RW, 1 HD, NIC, vidcard, 384Mb RAM. Not that much stuff, but easily handled by my PS. Haven't had any problems with it. So while 400W is good, you probably don't need that much, maybe 70.00 for an Enermax 350W.

I would go for a 1GHz 266 TBird. Cheapest right now, and will probably overclock decently. If you can find an AXIA stepping chip. Ask the reseller that you're buying from if they can get it for you. Those apparently overclock the best, although all should OC decently. These go for around 120-130 from a reputable dealer. 1.2s are still too much of a premium I think.

Finally cooling is up in the air. You need good cooling for sure, but are you willing to put up with noise, because any aircooler that's good enough for OCing will be loud. Read around and search these forums to come up with something. Personally, I ordered a Swiftech MC-370 with a Y.S. Tech fan for 42 dollars from sidewinder computers. This may be more than you need. Good cooling will cost you 30-40 dollars I think.

So the total for this upgrade will be
Iwill KK266 = 112
Tbird 1GHz = 130
Enermax 350 PS = 70
HSF = 40
Total = 352 + a little for shipping and handling = 370

Just spend some time reading up. That's the most important thing.

 

[Swanny]

jscobie: Have you ever heard of overclocking?

A Duron can easily make it to 266FSB by raising the bus and lowering the multiplier.

The Duron core (Spitfire) is the same as the Athlon core (Thunderbird) minus some cache, so it will hit whatever voltages the Athlon will.

Durons have sometimes beat P4s and beat P3s about half of the time.

Yeah, Celeron 2 was created to be competition to the Duron, but it comes nowhere close.

And the 600Mhz to 1Ghz overclock is easily done with good air cooling. Most Durons of that stepping max out at 1050Mhz. Check out the CPU database at overclockers.com.

 

[TuffGuy]

jscobie: Have you ever heard of overclocking?

A Duron can easily make it to 266FSB by raising the bus and lowering the multiplier.

The Duron core (Spitfire) is the same as the Athlon core (Thunderbird) minus some cache, so it will hit whatever voltages the Athlon will.

Durons have sometimes beat P4s and beat P3s about half of the time.

Yeah, Celeron 2 was created to be competition to the Duron, but it comes nowhere close.

And the 600Mhz to 1Ghz overclock is easily done with good air cooling. Most Durons of that stepping max out at 1050Mhz. Check out the CPU database at overclockers.com.

i would love to see some numbers on that, especially since the tbird and the p3 split most benchmarks on a clock-per-clock basis. by stating that it can beat p4s and p3s half of the time, you are also stating that it also beats tbirds half of the time.

 

[Richardito]

<< dunno about a duron being a p4 killer, but it *is* cheap. >>




Well, if you want numbers just compare my Sandra scores with a P4 @1.5GHz:

Duron@1.08GHz: P4@1.5Ghz:
CPU 3019/1479 2807/1825
Multi 6030/7334 5892/7314
Mem 499/637 1374/1400

Even the high memory scores for the P4 doesn't helps it much in the multimedia benchmark. If you don't think this is a P4 killer, what is? And we are not talking about a P4 CPU with the same clock speed as my Duron, either. IMHO cache size is not that important for performance when you can overclock at high speeds. You can afford a lot of more toys, too!!

 

[NightTrain]

Go here

 

[Wingznut]

Well richardito, I guess that makes it official.

You truly can find a benchmark to prove anything you want.

 

[Swanny]

Ok, I exaggerated a bit. But the Duron does in some tests beat the P3. And when overclocked to 1.3Ghz (the new 950s will do that) the Duron starts to reach P4 level performance. Anyway, I'd rather own a Duron than a P3 just because it is on a platform that is more upgradable.

But all this is off of hacgumyu's original topic. So.....

As long as the case is ATX it will fit an Athlon MB. You might want a new PS since OEMs tend to put in the cheapest they can find and still make it work. I like Enermaxs and Antecs for my PSs. If I were you I'd stick with regular SDRAM right now, but if you're going to wait then you might consider DDR.

 

[SpeedTester]

Richardito,

Thats one benchmark, try doing some other tests and youll realize that it isnt that much faster and in some cases the P4 will be faster. Im the proud owner of a TB 1.2 @ 1.5Ghz, but I also have a 850Mhz P3 @ 1071 @ work and cant really notice a hell of alot of &quot;normal&quot; everyday speed.


One more thing. If your so worried about speed and benchmarks WTF you running a tnt2 for?

 

[hacgumyu]

haha. this post gets more fun... altho some are really off topic, but I do learn something from those too! thx again for replying...

oops but I still have question??
(1)should just buy new PS put in my dell case. or a new case with PS?
(2)How many fan is enough for cooling a TB 1.2ghz+?
(3)Someone mention I need reformat HD and need a retail Windows98/2k? arg that mean I have to lost all my MP3 and downloaded MOVIES???
(4)optional! sounds like AMD systems is fast but cost lot more on electronic! imagine all cooling fan.. 300w PS.. and the extra energy need for OC...... wow my PGE bill is gonna scary me to dead!!!:Q

thx advice u all help me alot!

 

[Richardito]

<< Well richardito, I guess that makes it official.

You truly can find a benchmark to prove anything you want. >>



Well, I'm just showing you the benchmarks my system gets with Sandra. The P4 numbers are taken from the refence system in the Sandra program. What's your point? I haven't 'found' any benchmarks... These are real numbers that I stand by 100%.

 

[Richardito]

<< Richardito,

Thats one benchmark, try doing some other tests and youll realize that it isnt that much faster and in some cases the P4 will be faster. Im the proud owner of a TB 1.2 @ 1.5Ghz, but I also have a 850Mhz P3 @ 1071 @ work and cant really notice a hell of alot of &quot;normal&quot; everyday speed.


One more thing. If your so worried about speed and benchmarks WTF you running a tnt2 for? >>



At those speeds we won't be able to notice a difference by using the usual programs (MWord, Excel, etc.). If you used AutoCad or a similar program you will notice the difference. Who says that I'm worried about speed and benchmarks??? I run a TNT2 because that's what I bought when I put together my system. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Wingznut]

&quot;What's your point?&quot;

My point was that you found one synthetic benchmark. One synthetic benchmark does not make your Duron a &quot;P4 killer&quot;.

I'm not saying that you don't have a nice setup. But &quot;P4 killer&quot; is a bit of an overstatement.