I seriously doubt those FIOS routers are using WEP. I would bet they are using WPA.
I seriously doubt those FIOS routers are using WEP. I would bet they are using WPA.Still, there's plenty of stuff out there that still uses it, and there's no excuse for Windows 8 to not support it fully. I live in an apt complex, that had FIOS come through, and virtually all of the FIOS deployments have routers that came shipped with WEP enabled by default.
People are going to be pissed if their shiny new Windows 8 laptop doesn't work with their FIOS wireless.
Edit: Do you think that the average internet user, and not a tech geek, would even know about WPA and WPA2, and WEP, and know the differences between them? All they know is that there is this "password" listed on the wireless router, that Windows asks for, and they type in to get internet access on their PC.
It has always been that way with Remote Desktop. Even if you connect from-WinXP-to-WinXP, you won't find a "Turn Off" or "Shut Down" key. It's already second-nature for me to use the Win+R shortcut and type "shutdown -r -t 0" or "shutdown -s -t 0"+1 to that!
You know there's no shutdown/restart button when you remote desktop into a windows 8 system! I was astounded to find this, it was hidden in a stupid menu in windows 7 but its not there at all in windows 8. If various people on google are to be believed then the solution to this is doing various backwards ass things to shut down their remote system Make your own shutdown shortcut/go to run and type "shutdown /s" /make a macro/make a script/use linux instead/simply don't shut it down/*insert other roundabout way of doing things here* Turns out what you are supposed to do is hit alt+f4, then the menu appears to shutdown or restart the remote pc.
How am i supposed to know this? Obviously the umpteen people on google never figured this either. When did the idea of convenience become obsolete??
Yeah its one button, yeah its a niche situation and yeah the problem was solved in the end but this whole design philosophy of hiding crap and making it more difficult resonates throughout windows 8, that's the real issue.
I seriously doubt those FIOS routers are using WEP. I would bet they are using WPA.
It has always been that way with Remote Desktop. Even if you connect from-WinXP-to-WinXP, you won't find a "Turn Off" or "Shut Down" key. It's already second-nature for me to use the Win+R shortcut and type "shutdown -r -t 0" or "shutdown -s -t 0"
I seriously doubt those FIOS routers are using WEP. I would bet they are using WPA.
For all you Windows 8 discontents I ran across this article, "How to banish Metro from your Windows 8 PC forever", at PC World. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2027945/how-to-banish-metro-from-your-windows-8-pc-forever.html
I seriously doubt those FIOS routers are using WEP. I would bet they are using WPA.
I agree. Even if they are setup to use WEP it seems that it would be a trivial matter to change over to WPA. If you are using WEP at this point in the game for security you might as well just run wide open.
Anyone have any idea what MS's reasoning behind this is? It appears to be an underlying philosophy behind Win8.+1 to that!
You know there's no shutdown/restart button when you remote desktop into a windows 8 system! I was astounded to find this, it was hidden in a stupid menu in windows 7 but its not there at all in windows 8. If various people on google are to be believed then the solution to this is doing various backwards ass things to shut down their remote system Make your own shutdown shortcut/go to run and type "shutdown /s" /make a macro/make a script/use linux instead/simply don't shut it down/*insert other roundabout way of doing things here* Turns out what you are supposed to do is hit alt+f4, then the menu appears to shutdown or restart the remote pc.
How am i supposed to know this? Obviously the umpteen people on google never figured this either. When did the idea of convenience become obsolete??
Yeah its one button, yeah its a niche situation and yeah the problem was solved in the end but this whole design philosophy of hiding crap and making it more difficult resonates throughout windows 8, that's the real issue.
In my experience interfaces usually are either extremely powerful and versatile but come with a huge thick manual that you have to wade through to find out how to do stuff (unix, obviously, or VMS or MVS back in the olden days) or its designed to make everything as intuitive, "self-explanatory" and accessible as possible (Macs, probably most of all, but also previous versions of Windows).
But Win8 seems to have taken a third route - hiding things all over the place for obscure reasons, but not giving you any comprehensive manual to read through to learn about it. Its as if you are supposed to 'discover' how to do things, gradually over time, like its some sort of sandbox game.
Turns out what you are supposed to do is hit alt+f4, then the menu appears to shutdown or restart the remote pc.
How am i supposed to know this?
It's because people often forget which PC they are using and accidentally shut down the remote one that they can't simply turn back on. Duh. There are so many more deliberate ways to shut down the remote PC, I fail to see the problem.
ALT+F4 has always closed the current window/application and brought up the shut-down dialog when used on the desktop. If you haven't figured that out some time in the last 17+ years, here's something else I guess you've never heard: "Press ALT+F4 on Anandtech to unlock secret administrator privileges and moderator powers. It really works!"
Go ahead. Try it!"
Where there was a menu and button there is now only a keyboard shortcut. A step backwards in usability. Oh and you can take your attitude and shove it
You mean, you think someone should know how to get into their router and change a setting, when they barely know how to turn on their computer?
It has nothing to do with not knowing the difference. I guess you're not a fan of getting rid of "Are you sure?" prompts for closing unsaved documents. Bad UI is bad UI. It irks me enough that Vista and 7 made it where your mouse pointer could be one pixel away from the tiny arrow you were trying to click and it will shut down and force-quit all your unsaved documents when you were specifically trying to do something else, like Hibernate, which would preserve them if you suddenly had to stop what you were doing before you could save.If these people dont know the difference between a remote computer or their actual desktop then they shouldn't be using the remote desktop feature to begin with.
It wasn't there, then it was, then it wasn't. After asking why it was ever different, did you ask yourself why the option wasn't there at all, then it was, and then it wasn't? Obviously, they predicted a problem and prevented it by making a minor inconvenience that's a lot better than the alternative, later thought they had a solution that removes even that minor inconvenience, and then realized that the very nature of introducing that cause the original problem due to unfamiliarity.Where there was a menu and button there is now only a keyboard shortcut. A step backwards in usability. Oh and you can take your attitude and shove it
Just for clarification, when you are talking about a menu and button are you referring to the remote PC? I am remoted into a Windows XP machine right now and there is no shutdown option on the menu which is how I always thought it was supposed to be. If you are just talking in general then I agree. I miss the start menu too.
It has nothing to do with not knowing the difference. I guess you're not a fan of getting rid of "Are you sure?" prompts for closing unsaved documents. Bad UI is bad UI. It irks me enough that Vista and 7 made it where your mouse pointer could be one pixel away from the tiny arrow you were trying to click and it will shut down and force-quit all your unsaved documents when you were specifically trying to do something else, like Hibernate, which would preserve them if you suddenly had to stop what you were doing before you could save.
The problem is that the remote desktop is often indistinguishable from the local desktop and so confusion is understandable and expected. It would be bad UI design with the same shut-down prompt.
You can argue your point all the way back to the command line (DOS user to Win3.1x/9x user: "If you don't know that there's no difference between a directory and a folder, you shouldn't be using File Manager/Windows Explorer!"), but the reason is still there. You asked, I answered. Reject the reason all you want, but that's still the answer to your question and you still should have realized it when you asked yourself "Why?"
It wasn't there, then it was, then it wasn't. After asking why it was ever different, did you ask yourself why the option wasn't there at all, then it was, and then it wasn't? Obviously, they predicted a problem and prevented it by making a minor inconvenience that's a lot better than the alternative, later thought they had a solution that removes even that minor inconvenience, and then realized that the very nature of introducing that cause the original problem due to unfamiliarity.
In other words: Even different shutdown methods that can be "found" in a menu the way you describe don't solve the problem of the remote user who isn't familiar with Win7 "finding" it and not noticing the difference because they aren't familiar with Win7 yet. Rather than faulting the user for not know that it wasn't the usual shutdown prompt, consider that it is the UIs job to guide the user.
Now, step back and take a look at your own attitude. There always has been and still is a plethora of ways to shut down. Use the Task Manager to close Explorer, ALT + F4 on the desktop, Welcome screen, CTRL+ALT+DEL, CTRL+ALT+END, shutdown -s, a desktop shortcut, etc. You can pick whatever works for you and shove it. I hope you don't have any input on UI in your profession and if you do I hope you learned something.
Now I can go back to hating Microsoft for forgetting why the Windows splash/loading screen was animated and routinely leaving you on black screens during installation/bootup (stopped animation = hard lock or video issue; black screen after animation before login/desktop = lock). Now I'm often left waiting on black screens wondering if it needs more time or if it's a video issue or if it's truly locked up (encounter all frequently). It's even MORE important with accelerate UI and no keystroke for 2D fallback.
Well then go back to Win7 or XP or whatever ya want bud!WelshBloke said:Just (stupidly) took advantage of the end of the windows 8 offer and upgraded and really really wish I'd stayed on win 7
Unfortunately many people and I may only have Windows Vista or older (I was forced to purchase Vista, because MS stop building drivers for Win2k), hence the lack of support. And, if my hardware can run newer software I would still be using Win2k.Well then go back to Win7 or XP or whatever ya want bud!
Many OS's for sale here: www.amazon.com/s/?url=search-alias%3...ywords=windows (I see Win7 there)
Or if you still have your Win7 disk you can try to re-install the os
Good luck!
Something that annoys me with Windows 8 on a daily basis. I'll be using programs in the desktop and mousing around, and get too close to one of the corners/edges and the charm crap pops up and gets in my way. Nice way to kill my flow when I'm in the middle of doing something.