HELP! I've been kidnapped and taken to Mexico!!

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Tell that to the Native Americans who were forced to listen to our foreign language (while we systematically raped everything they had).

Have some tolerance. How is it affecting you other than bringing out the bigot in you?

Oh STFU. The whole Native American argument is weak as water. If you want to get into that sort of stupidity then let's go all the way back to when human kind first wandered out of Africa. I have a Masters Degree in Native American History and Culture so don't think you're talking to an idiot when it comes to that subject.

The point is the Mexicans are the only people in the history of this country who have immigrated and refused to assimilate. Instead of doing what generations of immigrants before them have done, learn our culture and language, they bull headedly insist on maintaining the very culture they escaped from and don't want to learn our language. It is ridiculous that governments have had to go to the expense of printing a multitude of official forms in Spanish, that they have had to replace perfectly good street/highway signs with new bilingual ones. How fucked up is that? If you can't read the language you sure as hell shouldn't be driving and likely don't even have a license or insurance.

My Grandfather's people were living in West Texas speaking Czech and German, with only enough English to tell the occasional salesman to fvck off starting about 1900. Hell, the Czechs and the Germans didn't even mix with each other until the 1950's.

Sure, they assimilated, but it took them a couple generations. As it has with most large groups of immigrants.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: shinerburke
The point is the Mexicans are the only people in the history of this country who have immigrated and refused to assimilate.

Obviously, you've never been to NYC.

I have. Yes I know there are neighborhoods or areas that are predominately ethnic, but even there people can speak English.

Come to Tulsa sometime. There are entire areas of the city that if you happened to travel into you would think you were in Mexico City. Not a bit of English on the signs, nobody speaks English and even the police fear to tread. It is pathetic and wrong.

I can understand first generation immigrants not knowing the language or ever being able to speak it well, but their children should learn English and be able to speak it natively. That is not the case though. There are second and third generation Mexican immigrants here who don't speak the language at all and refuse to learn. As I said earlier there are now classrooms being setup in the public school system that are Spanish only because these people refuse to have their kids learn English. That is messed up!!!

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Bullcrap. God damned PC bleeding heart liberals and politicians who want their votes are selling the country down the river with that kind of stupid thinking.

there ya go...

Anyway, I have no solution but to live in a place I'm comfortable with and just turn the other cheek. Being sheltered from problems is quite relaxing, actually.

 

[ElFenix]

you think that's bad, down here in houston the forms are printed in 3 languages.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: shinerburke
This is the United States of America and we speak English here.

Not very well.

:laugh::thumbsup:

 

[Casawi]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
At least that's what I think has happened.

I'm sitting here watching Sunday Night Football on NBC and have seen several commercials in Spanish, the screen graphics(down, distance, etc, etc,) for the game have been in Spanish occasionally and Al Michaels just pointed out that the game was being broadcast in Spanish on Telemundo.

THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT! I'm so fricking sick and tired of road signs in Spanish, government forms in Spanish, Spanish announcements being made in Target/Wal-Mart/Sears/etc... and going into a restaurant and nobody working there can speak anything but Spanish.

This is the United States of America and we speak English here. If you want to immigrate then learn the god damned language! Don't expect us to adapt to you. You moved here....YOU ADAPT! You obviously came here because you country is a pile of crap and you had to come here to get a better life. If you did it illegally...GET THE FUCK OUT! If you did it legally then assimilate and stop trying to recreate your craptastic culture here.

You're an idiot my man, what can I say. Maybe arrogant too.

 

[torpid]

I don't care about the argument in general, but football should be show in english, period. How many mexicans who can't speak english even give a flying rat's anus about american football?

My guess is that it was a technical glitch...?

Edit: Nope, intentional for hispanic month??

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Tell that to the Native Americans who were forced to listen to our foreign language (while we systematically raped everything they had).

Have some tolerance. How is it affecting you other than bringing out the bigot in you?

Im 50/50 native american/german and I also agree, English is the language we speak in this country. Its annoying that they are trying to appease the immigrants. I mean, we dont make announcements etc in german/italian etc so why the spanish exception

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: torpid
I don't care about the argument in general, but football should be show in english, period. How many mexicans who can't speak english even give a flying rat's anus about american football?

My guess is that it was a technical glitch...?

Edit: Nope, intentional for hispanic month??

They get their own month now? WTFBBQ!!?!!?!?

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Casawi

Originally posted by: shinerburke
At least that's what I think has happened.

I'm sitting here watching Sunday Night Football on NBC and have seen several commercials in Spanish, the screen graphics(down, distance, etc, etc,) for the game have been in Spanish occasionally and Al Michaels just pointed out that the game was being broadcast in Spanish on Telemundo.

THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT! I'm so fricking sick and tired of road signs in Spanish, government forms in Spanish, Spanish announcements being made in Target/Wal-Mart/Sears/etc... and going into a restaurant and nobody working there can speak anything but Spanish.

This is the United States of America and we speak English here. If you want to immigrate then learn the god damned language! Don't expect us to adapt to you. You moved here....YOU ADAPT! You obviously came here because you country is a pile of crap and you had to come here to get a better life. If you did it illegally...GET THE FUCK OUT! If you did it legally then assimilate and stop trying to recreate your craptastic culture here.

You're an idiot my man, what can I say. Maybe arrogant too.

Yeah...I'm an idiot because I expect people to be able to speak the language of the country they have chosen to immigrate to. How stupid of me.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
I don't know if agree with you or not, but I do see your point regarding Spanish signs and commercials. If they do immigrate here, they should learn the English language and we shouldn't have to make it easier for them to be here. They came here for the better life as you had stated, so they should adapt to our language. However, we're America. We welcome those from other countries with open arms, so to speak. We're here to be hospitable. We're here to help those in need. I see your point, but don't agree with it fully.

yes, what he said. I agree w/ 100%.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Casawi

Originally posted by: shinerburke
At least that's what I think has happened.

I'm sitting here watching Sunday Night Football on NBC and have seen several commercials in Spanish, the screen graphics(down, distance, etc, etc,) for the game have been in Spanish occasionally and Al Michaels just pointed out that the game was being broadcast in Spanish on Telemundo.

THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT! I'm so fricking sick and tired of road signs in Spanish, government forms in Spanish, Spanish announcements being made in Target/Wal-Mart/Sears/etc... and going into a restaurant and nobody working there can speak anything but Spanish.

This is the United States of America and we speak English here. If you want to immigrate then learn the god damned language! Don't expect us to adapt to you. You moved here....YOU ADAPT! You obviously came here because you country is a pile of crap and you had to come here to get a better life. If you did it illegally...GET THE FUCK OUT! If you did it legally then assimilate and stop trying to recreate your craptastic culture here.

You're an idiot my man, what can I say. Maybe arrogant too.

Yeah...I'm an idiot because I expect people to be able to speak the language of the country they have chosen to immigrate to. How stupid of me.

I'm going to venture a guess and say that you were born here and have not immigrated to another country before. I would also venture a guess that you haven't been alive long enough to see or you haven't looked up the data regarding how the Hispanic wave is within historical norms for assimilation.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Casawi

Originally posted by: shinerburke
At least that's what I think has happened.

I'm sitting here watching Sunday Night Football on NBC and have seen several commercials in Spanish, the screen graphics(down, distance, etc, etc,) for the game have been in Spanish occasionally and Al Michaels just pointed out that the game was being broadcast in Spanish on Telemundo.

THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT! I'm so fricking sick and tired of road signs in Spanish, government forms in Spanish, Spanish announcements being made in Target/Wal-Mart/Sears/etc... and going into a restaurant and nobody working there can speak anything but Spanish.

This is the United States of America and we speak English here. If you want to immigrate then learn the god damned language! Don't expect us to adapt to you. You moved here....YOU ADAPT! You obviously came here because you country is a pile of crap and you had to come here to get a better life. If you did it illegally...GET THE FUCK OUT! If you did it legally then assimilate and stop trying to recreate your craptastic culture here.

You're an idiot my man, what can I say. Maybe arrogant too.

Yeah...I'm an idiot because I expect people to be able to speak the language of the country they have chosen to immigrate to. How stupid of me.

I'm going to venture a guess and say that you were born here and have not immigrated to another country before. I would also venture a guess that you haven't been alive long enough to see or you haven't looked up the data regarding how the Hispanic wave is within historical norms for assimilation.

Yes I was born here, no I have not immigrated to another country. However I have been all over the world and did not expect the people of the various countries I was in to speak English. I tried to pick up the basics of the language of whatever country I was visiting before I got there. That is common sense and what any reasonable person would do.

If I were to immigrate to...say Germany...I would not expect them to provide me with government forms in English, put up English street signs, etc, etc, etc.....

For an example of how stupid it has gotten here they are now doing naturalization ceremonies in Spanish. Tell me that isn't fucked up. I mean c'mon...you come here and want to become a citizen yet at the end of the process you still can't speak the language? That is beyond ridiculous. Hell I can't even believe we are pansy assed enough to do it. No, I take that back, I can.

Historic norms of assimilation? Maybe for some, but not the more recent wave. Like I have stated twice before. They are now teaching classes in the public school system here in Spanish. These aren't kids that just arrived, these are kids that were born here but their parent's won't allow them to learn English. That to is beyond ridiculous and it pisses me off to stratospheric levels that my tax dollars are paying for such bullshit.

 

[purbeast0]

oh poor you, you have to see some spanish on the TV wah wah wah!

cry me a damn river.

it's pretty obvious from your better than thou attitude that you are too good to ever step foot into a third world country. if you did then maybe you would understand why these people come here at any given chance, whether they have practiced our language or not.

and english is nothing you learn overnight.

you tell them to learn the language. well did you ever think that maybe them showing stuff in english AND spanish on TV is a way to TEACH english to them?

 

[teclis1023]

Try changing the channel or turning off the television. That should solve your problem.

Otherwise, get over it.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
oh poor you, you have to see some spanish on the TV wah wah wah!

cry me a damn river.

it's pretty obvious from your better than thou attitude that you are too good to ever step foot into a third world country. if you did then maybe you would understand why these people come here at any given chance, whether they have practiced our language or not.

and english is nothing you learn overnight.

you tell them to learn the language. well did you ever think that maybe them showing stuff in english AND spanish on TV is a way to TEACH english to them?

TV isn't the issue. The issue is we as taxpayers are footing the bill for:

Printing government forms in Spanish
Replacing street sings with bilingual ones
Spanish only classes in public schools
Etc
Etc
Etc....

As for traveling to 3rd World countries. I have been to Mexico, Panama, and Jamaica. While there I didn't expect them to speak English!

No, English isn't something you learn overnight, but if you have been here for 5+ years you should at least be able to speak it reasonably well. You also should not be denying your children, many who were born here, the chance to learn English.

 

[FoBoT]

thank your Senators for "The Dream Act"

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Tell that to the Native Americans who were forced to listen to our foreign language (while we systematically raped everything they had).

Have some tolerance. How is it affecting you other than bringing out the bigot in you?

Oh STFU. The whole Native American argument is weak as water. If you want to get into that sort of stupidity then let's go all the way back to when human kind first wandered out of Africa. I have a Masters Degree in Native American History and Culture so don't think you're talking to an idiot when it comes to that subject.

The point is the Mexicans are the only people in the history of this country who have immigrated and refused to assimilate. Instead of doing what generations of immigrants before them have done, learn our culture and language, they bull headedly insist on maintaining the very culture they escaped from and don't want to learn our language. It is ridiculous that governments have had to go to the expense of printing a multitude of official forms in Spanish, that they have had to replace perfectly good street/highway signs with new bilingual ones. How fucked up is that? If you can't read the language you sure as hell shouldn't be driving and likely don't even have a license or insurance.

You are obviously a liar. I don't believe for a second you have a masters degree, in anything, let alone Native American History and Culture.

Who creates the signs in spanish? What about the captioning on the tv shows you watch? You think Mexicans have guns to the heads of NBC and Vons supermarkets (or whatever) to put signs in Spanish? Oh wait, those are companies all owned and operated by white Americans. Why don't you boycott or lobby them for change? Also, Mexicans are not the only people that speak Spanish but I am sure to you Mexican means any Hispanic person. Spanish is spoken by 425 million people worldwide. That's larger than the population of the U.S. Finally, how is their culture "craptastic"? I can understand, barely, not wanting to see Spanish on your football games, but what does any of this have to do with judging their culture to be "craptastic"?

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Tell that to the Native Americans who were forced to listen to our foreign language (while we systematically raped everything they had).

Have some tolerance. How is it affecting you other than bringing out the bigot in you?

Unfortunately we came and kicked their ass and made it our country. I am all for learning the language of the land even if it's not my own.

However, last I checked in the USA, english is the language.

I guess kicking ass is all the counts in the end right. Let's ignore, oh I don't know, ethics, international law, etc.

Also, you must be checking up the OP's ass because English is not "the language." What does that even mean? "The Language" Oh do you mean official language? because it's not that either.

 

[Gooberlx2]

To be honest, I would like English to be the official language; if only because it would then be mandated in schools and parents wouldn't have a say. OTOH, I've lived in enough places where a substantial portion of the population is spanish speaking. As such I have every intention to start learning spanish in the near future, because it does me no harm in expanding my own language skills, it would make certain experiences easier, and improves my ability to get hired for certain jobs.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: purbeast0
oh poor you, you have to see some spanish on the TV wah wah wah!

cry me a damn river.

it's pretty obvious from your better than thou attitude that you are too good to ever step foot into a third world country. if you did then maybe you would understand why these people come here at any given chance, whether they have practiced our language or not.

and english is nothing you learn overnight.

you tell them to learn the language. well did you ever think that maybe them showing stuff in english AND spanish on TV is a way to TEACH english to them?

TV isn't the issue. The issue is we as taxpayers are footing the bill for:

Printing government forms in Spanish
Replacing street sings with bilingual ones
Spanish only classes in public schools
Etc
Etc
Etc....

As for traveling to 3rd World countries. I have been to Mexico, Panama, and Jamaica. While there I didn't expect them to speak English!

No, English isn't something you learn overnight, but if you have been here for 5+ years you should at least be able to speak it reasonably well. You also should not be denying your children, many who were born here, the chance to learn English.

So you went to 3 countries that are known to have touristy spots. Did you go there to those spots or to where locals live and actually witness how they live?

i think I agree with sygyzy's post too.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Tell that to the Native Americans who were forced to listen to our foreign language (while we systematically raped everything they had).

Have some tolerance. How is it affecting you other than bringing out the bigot in you?

Oh STFU. The whole Native American argument is weak as water. If you want to get into that sort of stupidity then let's go all the way back to when human kind first wandered out of Africa. I have a Masters Degree in Native American History and Culture so don't think you're talking to an idiot when it comes to that subject.

The point is the Mexicans are the only people in the history of this country who have immigrated and refused to assimilate. Instead of doing what generations of immigrants before them have done, learn our culture and language, they bull headedly insist on maintaining the very culture they escaped from and don't want to learn our language. It is ridiculous that governments have had to go to the expense of printing a multitude of official forms in Spanish, that they have had to replace perfectly good street/highway signs with new bilingual ones. How fucked up is that? If you can't read the language you sure as hell shouldn't be driving and likely don't even have a license or insurance.

You are obviously a liar. I don't believe for a second you have a masters degree, in anything, let alone Native American History and Culture.

Who creates the signs in spanish? What about the captioning on the tv shows you watch? You think Mexicans have guns to the heads of NBC and Vons supermarkets (or whatever) to put signs in Spanish? Oh wait, those are companies all owned and operated by white Americans. Why don't you boycott or lobby them for change? Also, Mexicans are not the only people that speak Spanish but I am sure to you Mexican means any Hispanic person. Spanish is spoken by 425 million people worldwide. That's larger than the population of the U.S. Finally, how is their culture "craptastic"? I can understand, barely, not wanting to see Spanish on your football games, but what does any of this have to do with judging their culture to be "craptastic"?

I have the following degrees:

B.A. in History
M.A. in History with specialization in Native American Cultures & Religion
BS in Political Science
BS in Geography

Believe it or not...but that is a fact.

The street signs were created in Spanish by the city and state governments. The signs in the businesses were created by the businesses themselves. I'm not talking just about stores like Wal-Mart, Target, etc...I'm talking about all the strip mall stores here in what is quickly becoming Little Mexico in the Northeast part of the city. Do those stores have signs in them in English as well as Spanish? No, I've been in them just out of curiosity. In fact when I walked in the people in there couldn't speak English.

No any Hispanic person is not Mexican. I'm talking about Mexican immigrants. Many of them illegal. Any damn fool knows that.

If their culture is so wonderful then why are they fleeing it in the first place?

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: purbeast0
oh poor you, you have to see some spanish on the TV wah wah wah!

cry me a damn river.

it's pretty obvious from your better than thou attitude that you are too good to ever step foot into a third world country. if you did then maybe you would understand why these people come here at any given chance, whether they have practiced our language or not.

and english is nothing you learn overnight.

you tell them to learn the language. well did you ever think that maybe them showing stuff in english AND spanish on TV is a way to TEACH english to them?

TV isn't the issue. The issue is we as taxpayers are footing the bill for:

Printing government forms in Spanish
Replacing street sings with bilingual ones
Spanish only classes in public schools
Etc
Etc
Etc....

As for traveling to 3rd World countries. I have been to Mexico, Panama, and Jamaica. While there I didn't expect them to speak English!

No, English isn't something you learn overnight, but if you have been here for 5+ years you should at least be able to speak it reasonably well. You also should not be denying your children, many who were born here, the chance to learn English.

So you went to 3 countries that are known to have touristy spots. Did you go there to those spots or to where locals live and actually witness how they live?

i think I agree with sygyzy's post too.

In Jamaica I was all over the place, same for Panama. Granted in Mexico I was mostly in tourist areas. What the hell does that matter though? My point was that while in Mexico and Panama I didn't expect the people there to speak English.

 

[randay]

puesta de clavijas del metro del racismo en el máximo, sobrecarga crítica inminente.

 

[hanoverphist]

so how about those tecate and tecate light commercials? do those annoy the crap out of anyone else but me?