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Lifer
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Hyundai/Kia offering America's "best warranty" is a bit of a historical artifact. When Hyundai first sold cars in the U.S., they were horrible econoboxes. Eventually they realized they had to offer a long warranty to attract buyers. It's not about how much confidence they have in their product, but whether they believe it's a selling point (vs what it costs). They still believe having a class-leading warranty helps push metal out the door. It's not about offering a long warranty, and skimping on service parts.

Actual reliability is a separate issue. Toyota is by and large considered the most reliable auto brand (over the long term), but their warranty is more or less industry standard. It's not that they have less confidence in their product, but that they don't need to use warranty as a selling point. In the past, Honda was also considered one of the most reliable makes, but this is less true nowadays. Korean cars are generally considered average or above average in reliability (it depends on model more than country of origin).

So the long Hyundai/Kia warranty means lower total cost of ownership:
If you do need service, cost will be covered for quite a long time. But like I said previously, Hyundai/Kia dealers are known for very poor customer service, so you'll have to decide if that's still true or a problem for you.

As far as buying used or new, in general I like saving money on used cars. BUT SUVs and light trucks tend to fall into a bit of a gray area. Because they are so popular, the top models don't depreciate very quickly. So you really aren't saving that much money by getting a 2017 Honda CR-V compared to a new one. Furthermore, the brand new one is likely to have a longer warranty AND perhaps have better product features (such as Honda Sensing standard).

I'm not saying you shouldn't look at class-leading CPO vehicles (MX-5 and Tucson are pretty good choices), but that the savings may not be big enough to matter.
As for a specific example, if I was given the choice between a 2016 compact SUV for $22k, and a similarly equipped new Kia Sportage for a little more, then it's a no-brainer. I'll take the new car all day, every day. Since your intent is to own the car forever, I feel having the great warranty is a wise idea provided the Sportage checks off all the boxes that you want.

Buying a car isn't highly logical; you can find out from reviews which few choices you should be looking at. But at some point, it becomes a matter of tastes and emotion comes into play. I try to be as logical/economical as possible so I'm always choosing "best in class" cars vs. pure emotional joy.

According to one reliability survey, Hyundai/Kia are roughly 70th percentile. Subaru is average:
https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2019-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds
 
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womenwill

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Where does Ford fit into the equation? I get confused with their models, it seems like the have Ford Escape, Ford EcoSport, Ford Edge, and all seem similar size, but yet different models?

Should I reconsider that used Mazda CX-5? for about 22,000 or would you look at new for that price?
 

dmoney1980

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Where does Ford fit into the equation? I get confused with their models, it seems like the have Ford Escape, Ford EcoSport, Ford Edge, and all seem similar size, but yet different models?

Should I reconsider that used Mazda CX-5? for about 22,000 or would you look at new for that price?

Not sure where you have looked but I’m seeing used cx -5’s at dealerships for around $22k, accident free. You may save some money on fees and taxes, but I’d rather pay a little more for peace of mind.
 

ondma

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Where does Ford fit into the equation? I get confused with their models, it seems like the have Ford Escape, Ford EcoSport, Ford Edge, and all seem similar size, but yet different models?

Should I reconsider that used Mazda CX-5? for about 22,000 or would you look at new for that price?
Ford Escape is a compact SUV in the same general class as the CRV, RAV 4, Forester, and so forth. The Edge larger and the EcoSport is smaller. The only one of those 3 i would consider is the Escape.

As for the CX-5, it is a very nice SUV, but I would be very reluctant to pay 22k for a car with no warranty, when for a few thousand more you could get a new vehicle.
 

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I have seen a one owner, private party Mazda CX-5 2016 with about 21,000 miles for sale. It is the Grand Turbo edition with all the safety features, and tech package etc.

Grand Touring, not turbo. Turbo was introduced with 2019 model in its highest trim level.

Skip the 2016. It ain't bad, but 2017+ are completely different cars.
 

womenwill

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Ok so it seems I will skip buying the used Mazda 2016 due to lack of remaining warranty, etc.

So, if I want to spend about 20-25k on a 2 row SUV (which can accomodate up to 5 adults) and has good safety ratings, good gas mileage and will last me 5-10 years with regular maintenance), what would you point me towards?

Thank you
 

desy

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Everybody makes those, the only ones I'd stay away from is Dodge/Jeep. The best reliability is Toyota Rav or Honda CRV and everybody else in second however due to price premium in the used market, everybody else is usually the better deal. You should go look at a few and DRIVE them, walk away and don't get suckered into the sales office to have to hammer out a deal right now!!! There are always deals out there
 

womenwill

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I get confused about buying new vs slightly used. One side of me says buy new for the warranty, I am a woman, I don't know much about maintenance and my schedule does allow me to DIY, go to different service centers etc.

I want a car that will get me to work and back and be reliable to allow me to drive 60 miles in the middle of a cold night if there is an emergency e.g a friend is sick.

Another side says buy slightly used because the car will depreciate 20-30% as soon as I drive it out of the lot.
 

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What we are telling you is that due to high consumer demand, compact SUVs surprisingly don't depreciate as much as you would think in the first year or two. You will save some money buying lightly used, but you're sacrificing a year or two of warranty so it ends up being roughly a wash.

If your true budget is $25k and you don't need the higher trim levels (i.e. leather seating or assisted driving aids), I think brand new makes sense. Like I said yesterday, the 2019 Sportage is pretty well reviewed. Base Sportage LX + Popular package is $24,950. I'm sure you can pay less than MSRP, but I haven't shopped for new cars in ages.

The segment-leading CR-V/CX-5/Forester will all exceed your budget. If your budget is realistically more like $20k + tax, then you will need to incorporate some 2017 model years into the mix. Here are some reviews you should at least look at:
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/used/2017-affordable-compact-suvs
 

womenwill

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What we are telling you is that due to high consumer demand, compact SUVs surprisingly don't depreciate as much as you would think in the first year or two. You will save some money buying lightly used, but you're sacrificing a year or two of warranty so it ends up being roughly a wash.

If your true budget is $25k and you don't need the higher trim levels (i.e. leather seating or assisted driving aids), I think brand new makes sense. Like I said yesterday, the 2019 Sportage is pretty well reviewed. Base Sportage LX + Popular package is $24,950. I'm sure you can pay less than MSRP, but I haven't shopped for new cars in ages.

The segment-leading CR-V/CX-5/Forester will all exceed your budget. If your budget is realistically more like $20k + tax, then you will need to incorporate some 2017 model years into the mix. Here are some reviews you should at least look at:
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/used/2017-affordable-compact-suvs

Thank you I am going to zoom in on pricing a bit more and narrow down the options

I do not need leather and heated seats and super fancy rims etc but I would like any safety features such as blind spot monitoring, lane alert, forward collision prevention, but I dont need automatic cruise control with breaking
 

ondma

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Thank you I am going to zoom in on pricing a bit more and narrow down the options

I do not need leather and heated seats and super fancy rims etc but I would like any safety features such as blind spot monitoring, lane alert, forward collision prevention, but I dont need automatic cruise control with breaking
My Impreza has the eye-sight package, which includes adaptive cruise control. It is an absolutely fantastic option if you do any amount of freeway driving at all. Far and away the most useful of all the new driver assist features. I would not even consider a new vehicle without it.
 

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Does a Hyundai warranty even transfer to the second owner?
Just looked it up ... no, the 10 yr/100k mile Powertrain warranty does not. But you might still have some powertrain coverage under their 5-Year/60,000-Mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty (as the second owner).
Here's Hyundai's site - scroll down a bit
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/assurance/america-best-warranty.aspx

Don't have any recommendation for a SUV. But I'm a Toyota fan, so I'd look at RAV4.
 

womenwill

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Hello. I have been using a rental car for the past few weeks because I am in search for the new vehicle and my daughter is using my regular vehicle. I had to change the rental car company today, and booked an intermediate car. It so happened that they gave me a Kia Niro basic trim level I think. It is the Hybrid option, NOT the Plug in.

Early thoughts are that is is ok for 4 adults for short/medium distances, it is like being in a Uber/Taxi, ok space in the rear passenger seats, but not too much if I have a laptop bag etc.

The HP is about 105, which I think may be low for driving in a big city, especially freeways where I need to maintain 60, and overtake at times for whatever good reason.

I also prefer the media screen to be at eye level, and opposed to near the ac vents, I have seen some makes/models that have the media screen on top of the dashboard, and even some have Heads up Display.

I am going to continue to look and think and search, and I request you all to continue to advise me.

Thank you
 

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Does a Hyundai warranty even transfer to the second owner?
Just looked it up ... no, the 10 yr/100k mile Powertrain warranty does not. But you might still have some powertrain coverage under their 5-Year/60,000-Mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty (as the second owner).
Here's Hyundai's site - scroll down a bit
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/assurance/america-best-warranty.aspx

Don't have any recommendation for a SUV. But I'm a Toyota fan, so I'd look at RAV4.
I believe it transfers if it is CPO.

One final thought, some of the best compact SUVs are all new in 2017 model year: CR-V, MX-5 and Sportage. But some buyers are hesitant to purchase in the first model year, so as the manufacturer can iron out initial bugs. I'd try to read as many long term reviews as possible to gauge what kind of reliability consumers are seeing.

Cars have changed a lot in the past 5 years, particularly if you are interested in assisted driving aids and safety sensors. In other words, you'll want to avoid any previous gen models if possible.
 

ondma

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I believe it transfers if it is CPO.

One final thought, some of the best compact SUVs are all new in 2017 model year: CR-V, MX-5 and Sportage. But some buyers are hesitant to purchase in the first model year, so as the manufacturer can iron out initial bugs. I'd try to read as many long term reviews as possible to gauge what kind of reliability consumers are seeing.

Cars have changed a lot in the past 5 years, particularly if you are interested in assisted driving aids and safety sensors. In other words, you'll want to avoid any previous gen models if possible.
I already addressed this in an earlier post. The 5 year bumper to bumper warranty (Hyundai and Kia) transfers to a second owner, but not the 10 year/100k powertrain warranty, unless the car is CPO. The VW 6 year/72k bumper to bumper warranty is transferrable to a second owner, (may be a small fee though).
 

womenwill

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Hello friends, so I think it has boiled down to this. Either I opt for the used Mazda CX-5 2016 Grand Touring with the technology and iActive package for about 19k plus about 1k in taxes. However there is no bumper to bumper warranty left and only 2 years in the Powertrain warranty.

Or I can opt for a new Hyundai Kona (most likely) as it is ok for myself at most times, and comes with the safety/driving aid features I am looking for priced at about 24k plus taxes etc. so maybe 26k.

I work in healthcare on a rotating shift so need to be able to get to work when I need to, thus reliability is important, or knowing that I can have it fixed without a huge out of pocket bill is important.

Both are within my budget but of course I prefer to save if I can.

Do you feel that it is worth spending an additional 7-8k for a new vehicle, maybe a bit smaller, but with a 5/60 and 10/100k warranty?

Thank you very very much
 

ondma

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Hello friends, so I think it has boiled down to this. Either I opt for the used Mazda CX-5 2016 Grand Touring with the technology and iActive package for about 19k plus about 1k in taxes. However there is no bumper to bumper warranty left and only 2 years in the Powertrain warranty.

Or I can opt for a new Hyundai Kona (most likely) as it is ok for myself at most times, and comes with the safety/driving aid features I am looking for priced at about 24k plus taxes etc. so maybe 26k.

I work in healthcare on a rotating shift so need to be able to get to work when I need to, thus reliability is important, or knowing that I can have it fixed without a huge out of pocket bill is important.

Both are within my budget but of course I prefer to save if I can.

Do you feel that it is worth spending an additional 7-8k for a new vehicle, maybe a bit smaller, but with a 5/60 and 10/100k warranty?

Thank you very very much

Very hard to answer that question. My previous car was totaled, and instead of a used model with only a year or two of powertrain warranty left, I bought brand new. Obviously a more costly option, but I just decided to treat myself to it for the peace of mind, added safety features, and I have not bought a new vehicle since 2005.
As has been mentioned, another option, which I should have explored more carefully perhaps, is a CPO vehicle from Hyundai or Kia with the remainder of the 5 year, 50k warranty left. I also just discovered VW has a 2 year bumper to bumper warranty on CPO cars before 2018, and post 2018 CPO models carry the rest of the 6 year 72k bumper to bumper warranty. Wish I had checked this out further. The Golf Alltrack or Sportwagen with AWD is definitely a very nice compromise between a car and a full on SUV. The only thing I dont like about them is that they have a lot of safety features (good), but you have go into the 30k range to get availability of adaptive cruise.

On the other hand, I was lucky enough to get 0.9% APR financing for four years on my new Impreza, so overall cost of the payments will be mitigated by that.

Have you driven the Kona? It is quite nice, but the base model is kind of low on power (one of the only criticisms I have of the Imprezza also). At least in the Consumer Reports test I read, the base engine Kona is even slower than the Impreza. There is an optional turbo which is quick, so make sure to test drive a model with the same engine as the one you are considering buying.
 
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womenwill

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Thank you. The private party seller is asking for 19.5k for the Mazda CX-5, that is about 1k more than I want to pay. I am thinking it may be better to pay about 25k-26k for a small sized new car, like the Hyundai Kona, and get the full warranty. Yes I can also look into CPO
With regards to the Kona, I am considering the Limited Trim which I believe has the 1.6 Turbo Engine which has Horsepower 175@6600 RPM. I presume that is good enough as a daily driver some highway some city miles.
 

dmoney1980

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Private party sales are always a gamble. There’s a reason the owner is selling the car...... you can get lucky and find a good deal on a reliable car, but can also get stuck with a money pit.
 

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Have you considered the Honda HR-V? Do you need the "larger" compact SUV? You should be able to get a used 2017 for around $19k, and it should still have the warranty. New ones these days are starting at ~$20.5k.
 

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Hello friends, so I think it has boiled down to this. Either I opt for the used Mazda CX-5 2016 Grand Touring with the technology and iActive package for about 19k plus about 1k in taxes. However there is no bumper to bumper warranty left and only 2 years in the Powertrain warranty.

Or I can opt for a new Hyundai Kona (most likely) as it is ok for myself at most times, and comes with the safety/driving aid features I am looking for priced at about 24k plus taxes etc. so maybe 26k.

I work in healthcare on a rotating shift so need to be able to get to work when I need to, thus reliability is important, or knowing that I can have it fixed without a huge out of pocket bill is important.

Both are within my budget but of course I prefer to save if I can.

Do you feel that it is worth spending an additional 7-8k for a new vehicle, maybe a bit smaller, but with a 5/60 and 10/100k warranty?

Thank you very very much
It's not old by any means, but 2016 model CX-5 predates a significant all-new model. This may not matter too much, except old tech tends to trail new tech by quite a bit. Have you test-driven these vehicles? You'll first want to read reviews to get a better feel of how good the driver assistance features are. (Until recently) Legacy automakers don't update their software over-the-air like Tesla does, so being stuck with old software or having to pay for an upgrade at the stealership bites.

I would recommend getting a pre-purchase inspection (car needs to go on a lift at a shop) for any used car, except for CPO. Actually when I bought my CPO, I thought the deal was a bit below market rate (maybe it wasn't) so I paid $100 to get the PPI anyway. It's not a whole lot of money for peace of mind.

Also, what do you mean exactly by seating 5 adults? Will the Kona seat 3 in the back to your passengers' satisfaction?
 

womenwill

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Have you considered the Honda HR-V? Do you need the "larger" compact SUV? You should be able to get a used 2017 for around $19k, and it should still have the warranty. New ones these days are starting at ~$20.5k.

Hello snoopy, no I have not looked into the Honda, maybe I should. I am leaning towards a Kia/Hyundai due to the longer warranty. I'll check out the Honda. Thank you
 

womenwill

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Also, what do you mean exactly by seating 5 adults? Will the Kona seat 3 in the back to your passengers' satisfaction?[/QUOTE]

Hello, I passed on the CX-5 due to the high price and lack of PPI as the seller had to sell by today morning due to relocation.

To your point about the number of passengers, I will never really have 5 adults in my vehicle, maybe 300 days of the year I will have just me and maybe my adult Labrador sized dog at times. On occasion I will have my parents visit, so thats still just 3 passengers at most (they dont ride with the Dog due to allergies).

Thus, I was thinking a Hyundai Kona or Kia Niro or something similar in size, with a good warranty.

You mention a very interesting point about updating safety features, do you know which, if any, vehicle manufacturers offer OTA updates, or self service updates, or affordable updates to tech/safety features?

Thank you
 

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Kia Niro has more legroom in the rear than Hyundai Kona, which I think is a big selling point for that car. The most barebones model (Hybrid LX) can be found for 17-20K, but it does not include the adaptive cruise control. However, it's hard to go wrong with this choice when even the basic model gets you ~50mpg.
 
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