Help me choose my new CPU

Aug 14, 2005
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Hi guyz
i'm confused in choosing between
1)AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400
2)Intel Pentium D 930 Presler 3.0GHz 2 x 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775
3)Intel core2duo 1.8GHz/2MB L2 Cache

so any help would be appreciated
Thanks
 

o1die

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The third choice must be the e4500. That's what I would use. Fry's had one with an ecs board for $138 recently.
 

zach0624

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The Pentium d you should just forget about right now. Between the other two it depends on if you want to overclock or not. If you do the core 2 duo is the clear choice between the two but at stock it seems that the 4400 is slightly faster in most benchmarks.
 

myocardia

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An E4500 is 2.2 Ghz. It's the E4300 that's 1.8 Ghz. And forget about the Pentium D. Make your choice between # 1 & #3, they're roughly the same speed, at least for gaming: link. Then again, if you'll be overclocking, forget about both #1 & #2.
 
Aug 14, 2005
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Thanks guyz
but i don't really do the over clocking stuff

so whats it gonna be?
and btw the AMD is much cheaper then the core2duo

but my problem is that i don't really trust AMD because its popularity is nit as much as Intel .

so what do you all think?
 

justly

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Its not a popularity contest (well on these forums it might be).
The answers you have already received are good, but if your lack of trust means you will work through any problem with a C2D, but blame AMD for a bad product if it where to give you the same problems then by all means spare everyone the aggravation of listening to you complain about AMD and spend more money for your peace of mind.
 
Aug 14, 2005
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My point is, what do you think of AMD??
because the one i mentioned above is much cheaper than the C2D even though it has almost the same performance! so why there is a gap in price between them??

and one more thing...why is every body telling me to forget about the Pentium D ??
 

betasub

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Originally posted by: hishamelprince
My point is, what do you think of AMD??
because the one i mentioned above is much cheaper than the C2D even though it has almost the same performance! so why there is a gap in price between them??

and one more thing...why is every body telling me to forget about the Pentium D ??

So what is your point exactly? You are suspicious of AMD - as a company? A brand? Or of their cut-price processors? Price differences can down to many reasons: marketing, economics etc.

You asked for advice and received a number of helpful, informed replies. Why are you intent on dismissing/questioning them?

If you had done any reading on the subject, you'd know that the Pentium-D is an old, inefficient (NetBurst) design - drawing too much energy and producing too much heat with too little performance.

--
No, I am the prince! No, me!
 

NXIL

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Hey His,

The Pentium D runs hot, churns through a lot of electricity, and while a succsessful chip, it is done, put a fork in it; it would be like buying a 1950s one speed steeel frame bicycle when you can get multiple gears, a carbon frame, etc.

AMD versus Intel: while we are at it, let's solve North Versus South, East versus West, cats versus dogs, etc.....

Intel is the bigger company; they went through a rough time with the Pentium D class of chips: AMD had a much better architecture, that ran better and cooler--so, Intel created the Core series of processors that are fast, efficient, and reasonably priced.

Note: many people say we would still be using $400 1 GHz Pentium IIIs from Intel were it not for competition from AMD. Intel has a boatload of research money, i.e. they have engineers working on making the chips better, faster, smaller, cheaper--

OK, Intel's research budget: 4.8 billion dollars.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...113724_intellab09.html

AMD's annual R&D budget is substantial for a company of its size, but it is dwarfed by Intel's outlay. In 2006, AMD spent $1.2 billion on R&D, representing a hefty 21 percent of its $5.7 billion revenue for the year.

http://www.industrialcontrolde...ine.com/news/199905476

So, AMDs TOTAL yearly budget is just a bit bigger than Intel's research budget.

However, the Yankees baseball payroll is huge--but they don't always win.

Anyway, the Intel Core 2 Duo you are looking at is a fine chip--you cannot go wrong getting it.

The AMD lineup right now is also excellent, in the mid to low price arena, which is where you are looking. AMD needs to sell chips to survive, and in order to survive, they have lowered prices--their socket AM2 chips are a great bargain. And yes, they run Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris....they have (essentially) the same instructions inside, and so run the software fine.

Personally, I like the way AMD heatsink/fans attach to the motherboard, the old style, as oppsoed to the Intel lunar lander 4 prong system--and, I like AMD for price/performance.

I have built some systems for friends using AMD 65 watt (low power) CPUs, and motherboards with the nVidia 7025 chipset: cheap, powerful enough for office work/web surfing/light gaming, quiet because they use so little power--in a cool room, sometimes the fans don't even need to run on the CPU fan, and when it does, it turns at like 700-800 RPM....silent.

Here are some CPUs from the low to mid end: you can pick any one of these and do 100% fine:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...2c3028%3a25342&bop=And

Then, great: you can decide between ATI/AMD and nVidia graphics--what software you want to run will dictate that, i.e. games versus office stuff. (On baord graphics for office stuff, and I would recommend an nVidia card for games, set your budget then pick the one that fits.)

Let's see, did we leave anyone out of this AMD versus Intel Jihad? Soccer teams in England and Germany, Cricket teams in India, Kobe versus Shaq?

HTH

NXIL
 
Aug 14, 2005
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I just don't have any background about todays CPUs, my latest information was on Pentium 4
so any advices from all of you will be valuable to me, and I'm not by any means questioning them.
In fact i respect all the opinions and all the people who gave me some of their time to help.
 
Aug 14, 2005
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okay guyz
i have a very low budget which is 400$ to buy a CPU, Motherboard, RAM and a Graphics card.
and i know its a very low budget but let me hear your opinions here.
Thanks
 

NXIL

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OK, how could I forget? Apple versus Windows.

Depending on what you want to do with your PC, you might just want to get an Apple:

http://www.apple.com/imac/

You can run Windows on Apples now, but still have OS X available, which is a great OS.

And, we can go on to : Toyota versus Honda, Ford v. Chevy, etc.

 

NXIL

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OK, just saw the $400 limit for CPU, mobo, RAM, graphics: that rules out the Apple....

Memory, works with either Intel or AMD system: About 70$ for one of these.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...6569%2CN82E16820146526

Video: about $100

assuming you do some gaming, though you didn't say if you did or didn't:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...2c3055%3a20548&bop=And

That puts you at about $170 or so, leaving $230 for the CPU/mobo. The above componenets will work fine with either.

AMD: mobo

one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...ue=709%3a21489&bop=And

CPU:

one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...ue=517%3a20996&bop=And

Intel mobo:

A P35 chipset board:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...8059%2CN82E16813127031

Intel CPU: after about 80-100 for mobo, that leaves about 100-120 for the CPU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...6036%2CN82E16819116052

GL,. HTH

NXIL


 
Aug 14, 2005
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Thank you so much

but what if i picked up a higher Graphics card and a lower CPU ?
does this affect the overall computer performance?
Thanks
 

NXIL

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It's all about balance: a $500 video card with a $50 CPU isn't going to work so great.

Most videogames are GPU/graphics card limiited, so the better the video card, the better the performance. Generally. (Flight sims are frequently CPU bound, not graphics bound--though I think that the latest MS flight sim is everything bound...it needs a lot of horsepower to run.)

Recommend an 8600GT video card: good price/performance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...yCodeValue=679%3A28567

Then get the CPU/Motherboard combo that you like, and, the memory.

$400 is a pretty limited budget for gaming, but, we are most fortunate that the prices of all components are really pretty amazingly good--

HTH



 

Zap

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Originally posted by: hishamelprince
but what if i picked up a higher Graphics card and a lower CPU ?
does this affect the overall computer performance?

Originally posted by: NXIL
It's all about balance: a $500 video card with a $50 CPU isn't going to work so great.

What NXIL said.

I think at this time if you're a gamer you will want to spend more on your video card than on your CPU. That $500 video card with $50 CPU is a bit extreme, but a $400 video card with a $150 CPU is better than a $150 video card with a $400 CPU.

As for AMD, there is nothing wrong with their chips. If you were asking this question about 1½ years ago, before the Core 2 Duo chips came out, most people would be telling you to get the AMD chips. The two companies have been leap-frogging each other in performance.

With your budget I would say that you should go AMD. It isn't just about CPU pricing, but motherboard as well. With Intel you can't really get a "decent" motherboard until the $90 range (not counting rebates). With AMD you can get decent boards much cheaper than that. Couple that with AMD's really agressive CPU pricing, and you have a winner! This is taking into account the fact that you said you weren't going to overclock.

So, spend around $200 for CPU, motherboard, RAM. Then use the rest on a video card. Best thing under $200 is probably either a Geforce 8600GTS or a Radeon x1950Pro. For the second video card, you'll need a bit more power so make sure your PSU is up to the task.
 

taltamir

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AMD lost in the speed department, so they slash their prices...

If it seems like it is cheaper to buy an AMD processor of the same power it is because it IS cheaper... AMD is trying to gain customers who will say "well, i will buy this because it is more bang for the buck" while intel is banking on customers saying "I will buy intel because they are so much better then AMD right now... mmm, although this low end processor is kinda expsive for some reason"

If you want cutting edge then your only option is intel. If you want buget then get a good comparison of CPUs (like E4400 ~= X####) and go see what prices you get, and buy the better deal... which is probably gonna be AMD

Don't forget to first choose a good AM2 / 775 socket board for each option and see how much they cost... my recommendation is the ASUS M2N-E. its the best board I have ever seen... (nforce 570 ultra AM2 socket)
 

taltamir

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whoa SLI? not a good idea unless you are gonna get 2 8800GTS, two GTX or two ultras... anything below that and you are better off getting a better single slot graphics card... more bang for your buck and less problems... I would really go with 8800GT as it comes out in about a week and should be about the power of am 8800GTS, only cheaper... Assuming thats how it ends up being...
 

NXIL

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So, spend around $200 for CPU, motherboard, RAM. Then use the rest on a video card. Best thing under $200 is probably either a Geforce 8600GTS or a Radeon x1950Pro. For the second video card, you'll need a bit more power so make sure your PSU is up to the task.

whoa SLI?

I think Zap meant that of the two cards, the Radeon x1950Pro needs more power....not that on his $400 budget he should get a $35 Sempron, and two video cards in SLI or Xfire. Since this is pretty obviously a budget system, we can pretty much assume that Hisham is not rolling with a Corsair 620W power supply, so getting a power hungry video card might result in him needing to spend money on a new PSU too.



 
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