Help me diagnose this mental disorder

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Texashiker

Lifer
Dec 18, 2010
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My apologies for missing it and my last post. None of my business.

Its ok, no big deal.

I think one of the problems is other people have facilitated the guys lifestyle. Instead of having to get a job, just move out and go live with someone else.

He is living with his younger brother, and his younger brother finally got the guy to go to work. I doubt it will last very long, but at least its something.
 

PricklyPete

Lifer
Sep 17, 2002
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I really don't have any experience or expertise to actually help you figure this out, but just reading this makes me very scared to have children. Having a child like this would be a nightmare as a parent for me.
 

Kaido

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It can be a lot of things. Some people just have no motivation, but I think most of the time it's either a disorder, the way they grew up, or a health issue. For example, I grew up as a computer nerd because I had no energy, ever, and later discovered I have food allergies and low blood sugar and have to carefully manage my diet to feel good. After I started feeling good and having energy to do things, life became a lot more fun!

However...I have a friend like the one you are talking about. Had a lot of the same problems, although he did show up to work (retail) - but everything was like pulling teeth, bare-minimum effort, non-stop complaining, etc. Then I met his mom. Holy cow. I'm surprised he turned out as functional as he did. I think environment can have a huge impact on people, especially at a young age. Verbal abuse can be killer. Bad examples can be killer. His situation is probably the first time I realized you can break a person's spirit without ever laying a finger on them.

Chronically sleeping in late and constantly playing video games, in this particular situation, is escapist behavior. He doesn't want to deal with the reality of life and is doing his best to ignore it. He sounds depressed to me - depression can remove your desire to do pretty much anything, but since you still have to exist and since suicide is painful, avoidance behavior is the next best option. Staying up all night puts you in a haze where you don't have to deal with your problems because you can't think straight, and video games help keep you distracted.

So for starters, I'd say depression. And immediately coupled with that is poor care of your body: staying up late, not eating healthy, not exercising. So he isn't feeling good emotionally, and now he's not feeling good physically, which creates an endless loop...it's hard to feel like doing anything when you don't feel good on a regular basis, which in his case is probably a lifetime. So he's probably never really taken the next step to figure out what he wants to do in life, and to take part in a lot of the fun things in life.

It's really difficult to help people like this because they aren't in a position where they really want to be helped, because they don't feel like it and thus don't want to deal with it. If you can help him bootstrap himself by altering his diet and getting him to go out on a walk with you every day, his motivation might start improving a bit, but it's also hard to overcome a lifetime of habits, and if he's not used to working or doing much of anything, he's not going to want to change that right away.

My friend eventually got his own apartment, but only because his family kicked him out. His roommate has to cover most stuff and he still has kind of a difficult time with life. It's hard to see people like this because their life could be so much better if they just decide to change and then do it (easier said than done), but their mindset & health put huge barriers in front of them for doing that. Unfortunately I don't have much advice to give you, other than to say I understand...my friend could be a really good guy, but he just can't pull it together, even to take opportunities that would help him. It's a tough situation. Wish you the best.
 

Miramonti

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It can be very tough to reach someone who's apathetic and antisocial.

I think the person really needs to want to help themselves in order for someone to be able to help, and that probably has to come from someone that is able to connect with them somehow, and not someone that's been riding them for a long time to do something about their lives, who they will resist and might already resent. It's probably fair to say he has low self esteem, but the root cause of the apathy could be a combination of physiological (chemistry imbalance) and psychological issues.
 
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Mandres

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He just sounds like a lazy, spoiled kid with no motivation. The best solution is 4 years in the marine corps.
 

Doppel

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<serious thread>

There is this young man I know. He is 25 years old and seems to have these persistent issues.

Symptoms

Lazy
Does not care about appearance - poor posture, unkept hair, poor hygiene
Does not care about learning a trade or skill
Is unable to think of the future - as in being able to support himself with no skills
Does opposite what you ask him to, or does not do it at all
No drive to improve his standard of living
No drive to do anything besides sleep late and play video games

The doing opposite, or not doing what you as him is one of the worst issues. This has caused him to be fired from several jobs.

Is this just being lazy, or is it a real mental condition?
You've aptly described at least half of America. I'm not being glib; truly millions are just like this.
 

Mursilis

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I really don't have any experience or expertise to actually help you figure this out, but just reading this makes me very scared to have children. Having a child like this would be a nightmare as a parent for me.

Um, as a parent, you do have a say in the child's development.

My kids understand that if they cannot find their own motivation, motivation will be supplied for them. They usually find their own.
 

interchange

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Impossible to diagnose without an assessment from a psychiatrist. Family history would be great too. My best guess at this point is schizophrenia prodrome but it could be anything from normal spectrum of behavior to mood disorder.
 

Lamont Burns

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Needs a shock to the system. Should walk up to him and slug him and get a reaction. I wish someone had slugged me in the jaw when I was about 23.
 

Malfeas

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I suffered from a similar affliction when I was about 20. Got tired of it and joined the military. It seems to have worked.
 

blinky8225

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It can be a lot of things. Some people just have no motivation, but I think most of the time it's either a disorder, the way they grew up, or a health issue. For example, I grew up as a computer nerd because I had no energy, ever, and later discovered I have food allergies and low blood sugar and have to carefully manage my diet to feel good. After I started feeling good and having energy to do things, life became a lot more fun!

Interesting. May I ask what the allergies were and what dietary changes you've made?

I've heard of gluten being related to mental conditions such as schizophrenia, epilepsy, depression, and autism. For instance, see this article: http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/6/1/10/.

I've always been somewhat skeptical of the science, though. Maybe there is more of a relationship between diet and mental health than I thought?
 

tedrodai

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Interesting. May I ask what the allergies were and what dietary changes you've made?

I've heard of gluten being related to mental conditions such as schizophrenia, epilepsy, depression, and autism. For instance, see this article: http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/6/1/10/.

I've always been somewhat skeptical of the science, though. Maybe there is more of a relationship between diet and mental health than I thought?

I haven't read ANY science regarding mental health and diet, so my comment doesn't really hold any weight, but I'm a believer that diet can definitely affect mental health. The human body has so many different (and complex) systems operating together and there are so many variables to consider that it's a wonder when science can prove anything.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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This is a primary symptom of depression. And when it is serious enough to have major life impacts, it needs treatment.

Strongly encourage him to get help from someone who knows what they are doing. You're getting some spectacularly bad advice in this thread.

That would be my guess. And/or a serious ganga habit.
 

mchammer187

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Does anything motivate the kid?

Money, Girls, Drugs, Sports or any hobbies besides from video games?
 

oslama

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Jan 22, 2001
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Depression. I went throught the same thing at that age, although i was working but not going anywhere. Meanwhile, my friends and family were moving on to brighter and bigger things.

Background:

First generation emigrated from India at young but crucial age (11).
Parents coddled me and did not push me to go through the american rites of passage.

High school was bore, avoided contact with my peers just went throught the motions, although i was active in the indian community.
 
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Conditioned

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Jan 3, 2010
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<serious thread>

There is this young man I know. He is 25 years old and seems to have these persistent issues.

Symptoms

Lazy
Does not care about appearance - poor posture, unkept hair, poor hygiene
Does not care about learning a trade or skill
Is unable to think of the future - as in being able to support himself with no skills
Does opposite what you ask him to, or does not do it at all
No drive to improve his standard of living
No drive to do anything besides sleep late and play video games

The doing opposite, or not doing what you as him is one of the worst issues. This has caused him to be fired from several jobs.

Is this just being lazy, or is it a real mental condition?

I diagnose this as a mental disorder thinking this is a mental disorder.
 

KingGheedora

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Jun 24, 2006
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Maybe Oppositional Defiant Disorder? Something like that, I may have the name wrong. But I read about it a long time ago and it sounds a bit similar.

I was a lot like the person you describe when I was a teenager, and maybe up through my early 20's. I Was on my own byt the time I was 20 so I was motivated at least to get a job to support myself. I think that's one of the biggest things that could motivate this kid is to start taking away the things he takes for granted. A kid that age shouldn't have video games, shouldn't be able to live rent free, etc, if they aren't pulling their weight and paying rent and buying their own food.

I was also verbally and physically abused growing up so that sounds similar to what another poster here said. Whenever people tried to talk to me to try to get through to me I ignored them. The last thing I wanted was to try to talk to someone. Everyone was held at arms length from me. I don't know anything that could have been said to me to keep me out of the funk. The only thing that worked for me was being on my own and having to fend for myself and then learning life lessons in my 20's that I could have learned as a teenager. The difference with me is that I always dreamed of escaping my home so I at least did put the effort into my education to be able to get a job when I was on my own. Doesn't sound like the same thing would happen with this kid.
 

Vdubchaos

Lifer
Nov 11, 2009
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I diagnose this as a mental disorder thinking this is a mental disorder.

Agreed

Only America has a clinical name for Laziness

I blame his enablers FIRST.

"If you are willing to work, everything will work out"

Many American's ARE just like that.
 
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