help me pick a WoW class.

[nageov3t]

I'm starting a new class on a PvP server (first time ever I'll be playing on a PvP server, but some of my RL friends play on it)... I can't decide which class to play, though. I've got it narrowed down to priest or paladin. the priest seems like it'd be more wanted in groups, but I'd have to assume that the paladin would get ganked less while levelling up since they're so annoying to kill.

any opinions?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Neither of those two........... Trust me, I played a priest and raided my butt off at lvl 60. In the end, if you use good UIs, you will be doing nothing but this:

http://www.rougebob.com/priest/

You get to see MC via a 2" square between RaidAssist and Decursive!

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Neither of those two........... Trust me, I played a priest and raided my butt off at lvl 60. In the end, if you use good UIs, you will be doing nothing but this:

http://www.rougebob.com/priest/

You get to see MC via a 2" square between RaidAssist and Decursive!

not much different than any other class, though... I've already got 2 60 dps'ers on a PvE realm (rogue/warlock), so I thought I'd try the holy side of things.

but I hate night elves

 

[ubercaffeinated]

Human => Class, real life.

quit man.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: makoto00
Human => Class, real life.

quit man.

I've got this crazy thing... it's called self control

but I work weird hours, and by the time I get home at night (usually around 1 am), there's not much else to do but play video games for a few hours before I get tired and go to bed.

 

[ubercaffeinated]

heh lucky. i used to go crazy with that game. my guild took down nef first on server and i got ashkandi a couple of runs later. this was almost a year ago though. if your choices are only pally and priest, roll priest, but with the realization you'll be a heal bot. shadow priests are useless in group pvp and single pvp is nonexistant. this is all of course deduced with my understanding of the game from a year ago. i'm sure the classes have be reworked considerably. if you play on the west coast of the usa, and you play around 1 am, you might as well roll on a aussie server. they'll play from like 1 am to 6 am prime time.

 

[CKent]

What class is best for you depends on... you. It's different for everyone.

Are you a power gamer, or would you be fine with having fun as a class that is notably less powerful than other classes, as long as you enjoy it? Do you like to do one thing well, or prefer being able to fill a variety of roles? Also keep in mind your PvP ability doesn't cease to be a factor at 60, especially on a PvP server. Picking a paladin to avoid ganking is a short term reason.

One thing is not debatable however: the pure damage output classes (rogue, and to a lesser extent mage) have been gimped in the name of PvP balance. PvP is highly dependant on damage output, and to that end the spectrum between the classes on this ability has been greatly shortened, tanks and healers getting buffed constantly to do more damage, rogues getting nerfed endlessly to do less. It may make PvP more interesting, but there's no reason from the power-gamer standpoint in PvE to play a rogue when a warrior can do as much damage while wearing plate armor and retaining the ability to put on a shield and tank; no reason to play a mage when a warlock with twice your hitpoints and various utility such as banish, buffing, magic dispelling, etc. can do as much damage. Granted most people do some of both PvE and PvP, but (yes I'm a min-maxing powergamer) I want to be as good at each as possible.

Between paladin and priest I'd definitely go priest. makoto00 may have been right a year ago (I wasn't into PvP at all then - in fact, I wasn't even playing then, I had taken a break), but shadow priests are currently a nightmare in PvP. I'd put the PvP pecking order at warlock > shaman > shadow priest > the rest currently, with warriors in the mix, depending on their gear. The really well geared ones can slice up *anyone* - they're an extremely gear-dependant class. Keep in mind shadowform is a nice ability, but a shadow priest can still inflict a lot of pain without being in it - which allows them to easily shield, heal, etc. while kicking ass.

The real deciding factor, IMO, is the ability to heal. It's a meal ticket to PvE content - in a game populated mostly by 12 year olds, the damage output class population is very high, the healing class population very low. Healing just iz n0t k3wl, u no? Healing = variety to me, a break from the norm, since in PvP I'm an offensive shaman, healing only flag carriers in WSG, friends and mages when I need water At 425 passive lightning damage with a toep, my high crit has been a 3096 chain lightning. Let's see a rogue top that. And I can heal and wear mail / shield to boot. See what I'm saying? Same/more damage, but with the ability to heal... Blizzard's attempts to balance this out have been few and ineffectual. Giving the dps classes aggro reduction for PvE for instance, and more varied abilities for PvP. It looks good on paper but falls short in-game.

Anyway, definitely a priest, definitely not a pally. I'd also look into warlocks and shamans </bias>

 

[Fingolfin269]

Priest melts faces in pvp.

Go shadow spec and don't change for anyone.

 

[ubercaffeinated]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Priest melts faces in pvp.

Go shadow spec and don't change for anyone.

T.T Warriors cry

 

[Cheetah8799]

If you want variety, roll a Druid. It's a little slower to level up to 60, but you get to do a bit of everything. once you start end-game raiding though, you become a full-time healer. No way around it. It's how the game and gear is setup by Blizzard, regardless of what some people might say. Though you may not want to raid, in which case you can do whatever you want.

 

[RedBeard]

Having played a paladin, it is certainly a very fun solo class.

Unfortunately you will never out heal a priest or outdamage a warrior. Paladins do have fun abilities but priests are ALWAYS in high demand. If you want the spotlight (like most) roll a rogue or warrior. Or start both and level them to 10. It will not take long and you can give them a basic work out. Then work on the character that is more fun to play.

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: makoto00

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Priest melts faces in pvp.

Go shadow spec and don't change for anyone.

T.T Warriors cry

Fvck the warriors, they're a bunch of loot whoring jackasses anyway. Only noobs roll warriors.

 

[chocobaR]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I'm starting a new class on a PvP server (first time ever I'll be playing on a PvP server, but some of my RL friends play on it)... I can't decide which class to play, though. I've got it narrowed down to priest or paladin. the priest seems like it'd be more wanted in groups, but I'd have to assume that the paladin would get ganked less while levelling up since they're so annoying to kill.

any opinions?

Paladins are AWFUL. Fire up the test server and try it. You're just a gimped Priest and gimped Warrior in one class. I wanted to make one before but now that I tried it, hell no.

Priests are in very high demand. You'll get groups easily. You'll find a guild easily. You'll be awesome in PvP when you heal. You'll be awesome in PvP when you DPS. Very good class.

In conclusion: I'd go Priest.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Cheetah8799
If you want variety, roll a Druid. It's a little slower to level up to 60, but you get to do a bit of everything. once you start end-game raiding though, you become a full-time healer. No way around it. It's how the game and gear is setup by Blizzard, regardless of what some people might say. Though you may not want to raid, in which case you can do whatever you want.

Problem with druids is the PvP aspect of the game. They make fantastic flagrunners in WSG, but not many people get moonfired to death... with exceptional gear they can do decent damage in catform, but even then they're just a rogue without evasion/vanish, and rogues are already fairly underpowered and in need of buffs.

I'm going to again recommend a priest or shaman if you want the ability to heal and kick peoples' ass, or warlock if you want the ability to plant your boot so far up peoples ass they get rubber on their teeth.

 

[latino666]

Between the 2 I would go with the priest. As people already said you will be in high demand.

But I personally like Mages for PvP. If one of your friends is a priest tell them to heal you and go in the middle of a big fight and Arcane Explode the crap out of every one. Ice barrier via Ice spec helps here

Or you could go Arcane spec and Pyroblast people for 2000-2500 crit then fireblast them (~800-1000 crits) to finish them off.

Or fire spec and flamstrike them and watch them burn. BURN B!TCH BURN!!! :evil:

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Priest melts faces in pvp.

I love that thread.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: latino666
Between the 2 I would go with the priest. As people already said you will be in high demand.

But I personally like Mages for PvP. If one of your friends is a priest tell them to heal you and go in the middle of a big fight and Arcane Explode the crap out of every one. Ice barrier via Ice spec helps here

Or you could go Arcane spec and Pyroblast people for 2000-2500 crit then fireblast them (~800-1000 crits) to finish them off.

Or fire spec and flamstrike them and watch them burn. BURN B!TCH BURN!!! :evil:

My server recently got its turn at the 36 hour downtime for maintenance... *twitch* ...and during that time I played a mage on the public test realm. Full rank 14 gear with the rest filled in by BWL+ calilber stuff - 4600 hp mage :Q Anyway, in comparison to my elemental shaman in lesser gear, I found the mage to be disappointing. At 536 spell damage, 8% spell crit and 6% spell hit, I ended up dying a lot - granted everyone else was in the same gear. To nuke just a little harder, it cost me 3500 armor and a lot of cast time - talented, Chain Lightning is a 1.5s cast with a 6s cooldown and Lightning Bolt is a 2.0s cast with no cooldown (each does around 850 noncrit with 425 passive lightning damage, 1k with toep up). Granted having more than one spell school is nice when you get counterspelled, but it's as I said - they tried to get around equal dps by giving the "true" dps classes (like mages) more variety, and in reality it just doesn't work out, despite looking plausible on paper.

 

[latino666]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: latino666
Between the 2 I would go with the priest. As people already said you will be in high demand.

But I personally like Mages for PvP. If one of your friends is a priest tell them to heal you and go in the middle of a big fight and Arcane Explode the crap out of every one. Ice barrier via Ice spec helps here

Or you could go Arcane spec and Pyroblast people for 2000-2500 crit then fireblast them (~800-1000 crits) to finish them off.

Or fire spec and flamstrike them and watch them burn. BURN B!TCH BURN!!! :evil:

My server recently got its turn at the 36 hour downtime for maintenance... *twitch* ...and during that time I played a mage on the public test realm. Full rank 14 gear with the rest filled in by BWL+ calilber stuff - 4600 hp mage :Q Anyway, in comparison to my elemental shaman in lesser gear, I found the mage to be disappointing. At 536 spell damage, 8% spell crit and 6% spell hit, I ended up dying a lot - granted everyone else was in the same gear. To nuke just a little harder, it cost me 3500 armor and a lot of cast time - talented, Chain Lightning is a 1.5s cast with a 6s cooldown and Lightning Bolt is a 2.0s cast with no cooldown (each does around 850 noncrit with 425 passive lightning damage, 1k with toep up). Granted having more than one spell school is nice when you get counterspelled, but it's as I said - they tried to get around equal dps by giving the "true" dps classes (like mages) more variety, and in reality it just doesn't work out, despite looking plausible on paper.

I'm not going to lie you do die a lot but it's fun when you just seem someone trying to heal themself then BOOM one shot there dead.

I don't like the PvP gear for Mages myself. A full Tier 2 Mage can really own especially if the 8 piece bonus pops a lot. I played my friends Tier 2 mage and I did a fireball, instant Pyro, instant pyro combo with arcane power going man that was sweet. That was the only time I took out a pally.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: latino666
Between the 2 I would go with the priest. As people already said you will be in high demand.

But I personally like Mages for PvP. If one of your friends is a priest tell them to heal you and go in the middle of a big fight and Arcane Explode the crap out of every one. Ice barrier via Ice spec helps here

Or you could go Arcane spec and Pyroblast people for 2000-2500 crit then fireblast them (~800-1000 crits) to finish them off.

Or fire spec and flamstrike them and watch them burn. BURN B!TCH BURN!!! :evil:

My server recently got its turn at the 36 hour downtime for maintenance... *twitch* ...and during that time I played a mage on the public test realm. Full rank 14 gear with the rest filled in by BWL+ calilber stuff - 4600 hp mage :Q Anyway, in comparison to my elemental shaman in lesser gear, I found the mage to be disappointing. At 536 spell damage, 8% spell crit and 6% spell hit, I ended up dying a lot - granted everyone else was in the same gear. To nuke just a little harder, it cost me 3500 armor and a lot of cast time - talented, Chain Lightning is a 1.5s cast with a 6s cooldown and Lightning Bolt is a 2.0s cast with no cooldown (each does around 850 noncrit with 425 passive lightning damage, 1k with toep up). Granted having more than one spell school is nice when you get counterspelled, but it's as I said - they tried to get around equal dps by giving the "true" dps classes (like mages) more variety, and in reality it just doesn't work out, despite looking plausible on paper.

thats because shamans are teh most overpowered class in teh game currently for PVP

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: latino666
Between the 2 I would go with the priest. As people already said you will be in high demand.

But I personally like Mages for PvP. If one of your friends is a priest tell them to heal you and go in the middle of a big fight and Arcane Explode the crap out of every one. Ice barrier via Ice spec helps here

Or you could go Arcane spec and Pyroblast people for 2000-2500 crit then fireblast them (~800-1000 crits) to finish them off.

Or fire spec and flamstrike them and watch them burn. BURN B!TCH BURN!!! :evil:

My server recently got its turn at the 36 hour downtime for maintenance... *twitch* ...and during that time I played a mage on the public test realm. Full rank 14 gear with the rest filled in by BWL+ calilber stuff - 4600 hp mage :Q Anyway, in comparison to my elemental shaman in lesser gear, I found the mage to be disappointing. At 536 spell damage, 8% spell crit and 6% spell hit, I ended up dying a lot - granted everyone else was in the same gear. To nuke just a little harder, it cost me 3500 armor and a lot of cast time - talented, Chain Lightning is a 1.5s cast with a 6s cooldown and Lightning Bolt is a 2.0s cast with no cooldown (each does around 850 noncrit with 425 passive lightning damage, 1k with toep up). Granted having more than one spell school is nice when you get counterspelled, but it's as I said - they tried to get around equal dps by giving the "true" dps classes (like mages) more variety, and in reality it just doesn't work out, despite looking plausible on paper.

thats because shamans are teh most overpowered class in teh game currently for PVP

False, that title belongs squarely to warlocks. Shamans are definitely strong in PvP, warlocks are gods though.

Mage vs. Shaman power goes back to what I've been saying - as a pure dps class, mages damage has been nerfed to not be overpowered in PvP. But the devs went too far, and the versatility they replaced it with doesn't make up for the lackluster damage.

Note - you may not agree since, as a well geared rogue, you and warriors are the only classes that even have a chance against locks, and that's only if they're nub.

Btw, you're in my battle group, been fun playin against ya

 

[BurnItDwn]

Personally I can't stand either the priest or pally class.
Between the two, I'd go priest.
Pally class is SOOOOOO SLOW.

Add up the total time it took you to level your lock and rogue to 60, then multiply it by 10, that is how long it would take to level a pally to 60.

 

[BZeto]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Personally I can't stand either the priest or pally class.
Between the two, I'd go priest.
Pally class is SOOOOOO SLOW.

Add up the total time it took you to level your lock and rogue to 60, then multiply it by 10, that is how long it would take to level a pally to 60.

I just leveled a pally to 60 in 7 days 5 hours /played. My fastest character yet.

 

[RedBeard]

I just leveled a pally to 60 in 7 days 5 hours /played. My fastest character yet.

Agreed, the paladin doesn't level slow. That is bunk.

You almost never die, you just need to keep well geared.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: RedBeard

I just leveled a pally to 60 in 7 days 5 hours /played. My fastest character yet.

Agreed, the paladin doesn't level slow. That is bunk.

You almost never die, you just need to keep well geared.

I guess that was why I hated my pally so very much.
It was my first toon, and I was an armorsmith.

I never had any gold, and my gear wasn't so good.

Also, this was way before the pally review ... so perhaps my statements are obselete.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: CKent

Originally posted by: latino666
Between the 2 I would go with the priest. As people already said you will be in high demand.

But I personally like Mages for PvP. If one of your friends is a priest tell them to heal you and go in the middle of a big fight and Arcane Explode the crap out of every one. Ice barrier via Ice spec helps here

Or you could go Arcane spec and Pyroblast people for 2000-2500 crit then fireblast them (~800-1000 crits) to finish them off.

Or fire spec and flamstrike them and watch them burn. BURN B!TCH BURN!!! :evil:

My server recently got its turn at the 36 hour downtime for maintenance... *twitch* ...and during that time I played a mage on the public test realm. Full rank 14 gear with the rest filled in by BWL+ calilber stuff - 4600 hp mage :Q Anyway, in comparison to my elemental shaman in lesser gear, I found the mage to be disappointing. At 536 spell damage, 8% spell crit and 6% spell hit, I ended up dying a lot - granted everyone else was in the same gear. To nuke just a little harder, it cost me 3500 armor and a lot of cast time - talented, Chain Lightning is a 1.5s cast with a 6s cooldown and Lightning Bolt is a 2.0s cast with no cooldown (each does around 850 noncrit with 425 passive lightning damage, 1k with toep up). Granted having more than one spell school is nice when you get counterspelled, but it's as I said - they tried to get around equal dps by giving the "true" dps classes (like mages) more variety, and in reality it just doesn't work out, despite looking plausible on paper.

thats because shamans are teh most overpowered class in teh game currently for PVP

False, that title belongs squarely to warlocks. Shamans are definitely strong in PvP, warlocks are gods though.

Mage vs. Shaman power goes back to what I've been saying - as a pure dps class, mages damage has been nerfed to not be overpowered in PvP. But the devs went too far, and the versatility they replaced it with doesn't make up for the lackluster damage.

Note - you may not agree since, as a well geared rogue, you and warriors are the only classes that even have a chance against locks, and that's only if they're nub.

Btw, you're in my battle group, been fun playin against ya

Orly? who are you and what server/rank

Zarakii - Rank 13 NE Rogue - Chormaggus
ill hit 14 the week after this one


and i have more issues killing shamans that are geared then warlocks, the fact they they can instant cast snare you for nearly 2000 and then mele crit you for another 1-2k is just insane

that and all of them are orcs and cant fing be stunned