Help me pick first DSLR

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I've been trying to pick out my next camera for over 2 years -- not an easy task. Only digital camera I've ever bought/used is my Samsung Digimax V3 3.2 MP. It uses 2 AA's (finicky!!), has some nice features for a P&S:

* Fully auto, but has manual controls if wanted (but I must confess I've never used manual controls with this camera. Maybe I would on my next camera?)
* 10 second self timer (used it quite a few times)
* Wireless remote shutter (I've used it several times)
* 1/2 decent viewfinder and OK LCD (I use the VF 90% of the time, and I'd estimate it only shows less than 70% of the shot you actually get!)
* AF works well most of the time (exceptions aren't at all uncommon, however)

Bad problems with this P&S:

Slow as molasses in January -- minimum 7 seconds between shots.
Needs super hot AAs to take many shots without changing batteries. It's a major reason I use the VF (seldom leave the LCD turned on).
Shutter lag is variable but often awful. It's really hard to get the shot you see if your subject is changing (e.g. kids, animals at the zoo, etc.).
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Next camera:

I've been advised a few times here to strongly consider a DSLR. Much bigger sensor than P&S, even the high end P&S mega-zooms. Fast to start up, quick shutter, can take the next shot almost immediately after the last shot, burst mode. So, although I strongly considered a few megazoom P&S's, I've been looking at entry level DSLR's recently. What's important to me:

1. Responsive: Starting up fast isn't so important, but I'd like to be able to get my shot off fast and capture a moving subject. I have read a lot about AF speed, and have no experience using a DSLR, none, so it's a little hypothetical from my perspective at the moment. Long time ago I owned a Nikon F 35mm SLR camera, and I guess the lenses were MF. Of course, that camera took a picture instantly when I pressed the shutter release, I just had to crank the film once and I was ready to take the next shot as long as my subject was still in focus.

2. A fast burst mode would be nice, so I don't miss those fleeting shots I see so often that I almost always miss with my P&S!

3. Not too big and heavy. I know that whatever I get is apt to be a lot less convenient than my P&S in terms of portability (my P&S slips in my pants pocket!).

4. I have both volumes of Scott Kelby's The Digital Photography Book, and he says to get external flash, preferably wireless. He says pop up flash's effects (unless ameliorated by some creative diffusion techniques) results in awful portraiture. So, I'd like my next camera to support external flash well.

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My hands are pretty big. Fingers not big and fat, but my hand span is about 10 inches. I've seen a lot of posts by people saying that this or that DSLR doesn't feel good in their hands because it's too small (e.g. the Sony A230 or A330), but I'm not used to ANY kind of DSLR and am only used to a fairly small P&S, so I'm thinking that I am not as apt to feel that way about a small DSLR, not being used to any, big or small. Granted, I'm inexperienced, so I may be wrong, so I'm not discounting that some of you who are very experienced would have good ideas concerning what would "feel" better in my hands.

My budget: I'm hoping to keep the purchase under $800 or so.

Cameras I'm thinking about right now:

Pentax K-x (this leads the pack right now), Sony A330, Sony A230. Maybe Nikon D5000, although I haven't really looked into it. I read a post by a guy (a review by a consumer) who said that he returned his Canon T2i and bought a Pentax K-x and said the K-x's build feels much better, less plasticy, better quality. People seem to say that the Sony A330 is pretty small for people with big hands, more so than the K-x.

I like the A330's swiveling LCD and it's fast AF using Live View, but other than that its features seem lacking compared to the K-x, to me. The K-x uses 4 AA's, and honestly this is very attractive to me. I may be stupid about this but I always find myself babying my lithium rechargeable batteries, trying to keep them alive. NiMH batteries aren't nearly as prone to deterioration by virtue of how you treat them AFAIK. Charge them, don't worry about the state of charge except for the fact that the more charge on them, the better your device is going to perform with them. Just top them up, and you're ready to go. Freeze them, even, if they aren't low self discharge. So, the K-x's use of AA's is a big plus for me. The K-x's high burst mode of 4.3/second compared to the A330's of about 2.5/second is another reason to like the Pentax.

The high ISO performance of the Sony's is said to be very good but that of the K-x is even better, so that's a plus for the K-x. I will definitely be doing a lot of indoor shooting, and of moving subjects in many cases from distance and close, so good high ISO performance would be very helpful.

I know, it sounds like I've virtually picked the K-x already, but there are a couple of things hanging me up:

1. If you read a lot of reviews of the K-x by customers or at review sites, you get one negative over and over, being the lack of indication in the viewfinder of where the camera has chosen to focus. I suppose there's a MF option, and one guy said that you can choose between 11 point (wide bracketing) and 5 point (narrow bracketing) with the AF system, and this gives you more control in dubious focus situations, but this issue is making me skittish about the K-x. I'm thinking that the next version of this camera, or whatever Pentax puts out to replace it will likely correct this problem, considered an oversight by practically everybody who has commented on the camera. When that camera will come out I don't know. Maybe in 6 months, maybe a year I figure.

2. There's an issue with blurry pictures with the K-x at certain low shutter speeds (e.g. 1/100 second) that's a matter of much discussion on the forums. Sometimes attributed to mirror slap, workarounds have been suggested, but there appears to be no answer yet. I don't know how bad a problem this is, but it seems to be less of an annoyance to people than the lack of illuminated AF points shown in the VF issue.
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I don't anticipate getting another DSLR any time soon, if ever. So, I don't want to be wanting to dump whatever I get for another in two years or something. Yes, of course, I may want to, but it's not my thinking now. I'd prefer to get something I won't regret and won't want to leave behind soon. I may not want to get a lot of lenses. My current idea with the K-x is to get the two lens kit, the 18-55mm DAL standard and the 55-300 DAL, which I heard is a lot better than the 55-200mm DAL in the cheaper 2 lens kit. The rebate on the 18-55 / 55-300 two lens kit K-x has expired (the kit with rebate was about $650), so it's now $850 at Amazon, but it's available from Camerakings dot com for $699. It says it's new, but I'm concerned that it could be grey goods, what do you think?

[Edit: Before posting this I checked Amazon again and see the 2 lens kit I'm looking at selling for $699.99, free shipped by "Portable Guy"! :awe: Seems that would be a safer option than Camera Kings, I'm thinking. Please bear with me, I've only bought one piece of camera equipment online, my P&S]

Some have said bypass the 18-55mm DAL Pentax lens entirely and get a good alternative lens instead, say a Tamron, something like an 18-70mm. I figure this won't play well with my budget, particularly if I also want the Pentax DAL 55-300 zoom.

I have a minidv 480p camcorder. The 720p HD of the K-x, I could use. Hear it's hard on NiMH AA's, maybe I'd take short videos, maybe save the supplied lithium batteries for videos. I have a tripod already, not high end but decent. My printers are B&W, and I haven't been printing anything. That could change, of course.

Should I wait for the next generation Pentax?

I don't know about the external flash options on the cameras I've been looking at, so any comments about that would be helpful.

Am I looking at the wrong camera?

Comments, suggestions?
 
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First of all, thanks for listing a budget, .

A question: What will you be interested in shooting? Nature/indoors/portraits/landscapes/sports?

Much like you when I first bought a D-SLR, the only thing I cared about was the focal lengths I covered. Then I found that the consumer based lenses are variable aperture, meaning that the farther you zoom the less light is taken in by the lens, resulting in slower SS (blurry pics). Not much of a problem when there is plenty of light, but most of my shooting is done when light fades (golden hours) or indoors, requiring a "fast" lens or speedlite, and shooting in broad daylight is not a very good idea as the sun is quite harsh. I quickly sold my two kit lenses for a loss, .

Just some food for thought, lenses can have a much larger impact on your final image than your sensor/body. But they can also have a bigger impact on your wallet, .
 

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If you can find a k-x in a store, I do suggest playing around with it and comparing to other cameras. It may not even fit your hands well, as small as it is.

Ultimately, I think it's hard to beat the value of the k-x (excellent sensor) + two lens kit you mentioned for the price.

edit: I'm vaguely aware of the AF point issue, but wasn't really familiar with it. It seems like you can select an AF point via the LCD menu, but there aren't any AF indicators in the viewfinder? I do think that's kinda lame of Pentax to omit them, but probably wouldn't be a deal breaker for me...I almost always just use the center AF point anyway.

The blur issue at 1/100 + SR is weird. Something must be amiss somewhere between the SR and mirror slap. If it's a rare occurrence (as some suggest with pretty specific requirements needed to cause it), then I might be able to tolerate it. Any real frequency, however, would probably be a deal breaker to me. I like to pimp Pentax, being a K7 owner myself, but that's pretty unfortunate issue to have (maybe remedied in more recent builds?).
 
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I don't think you can go wrong with any camera. The K-x has remarkably good high ISO noise control... the Nikon D5000 should be right behind.

I think the T2i isn't bad either although I do agree about the build. However, I honestly love the lens lineups of Canon and to an extent Nikon that to me the decision was a tossup between the T1i and D5000.

Also one thing to note about the D5000 and K-x is taht the LCD screens are low res. 230k or so right? My friend has an XSi and when we compare photos it's like night and day. That 930k vs 230k resolution is like whoah. I can actually tell if my photos are sharp or not on screen and proceed to reshoot if necessary.
 

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First of all, thanks for listing a budget, .

A question: What will you be interested in shooting? Nature/indoors/portraits/landscapes/sports?

Much like you when I first bought a D-SLR, the only thing I cared about was the focal lengths I covered. Then I found that the consumer based lenses are variable aperture, meaning that the farther you zoom the less light is taken in by the lens, resulting in slower SS (blurry pics). Not much of a problem when there is plenty of light, but most of my shooting is done when light fades (golden hours) or indoors, requiring a "fast" lens or speedlite, and shooting in broad daylight is not a very good idea as the sun is quite harsh. I quickly sold my two kit lenses for a loss, .

Just some food for thought, lenses can have a much larger impact on your final image than your sensor/body. But they can also have a bigger impact on your wallet, .
Thanks for those ideas. I hadn't thought of them.

What will you be interested in shooting? Nature/indoors/portraits/landscapes/sports?

Yes, I suppose I'll be shooting all of those things in time except possibly sports, although I am into sports. I don't anticipate shooting sports, but I think I'll be shooting things that aren't dissimilar, for instance I could go to a zoo (do once in a while) and shoot moving animals, so not much difference I figure.

I like you would like performance from even zoom lenses indoors, so the limited aperture at extended zooms and the resulting slow SS will be an issue for me as well. And of course, at extended zooms flash is not as effective. Something to think about.
 

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The blur issue at 1/100 + SR is weird. Something must be amiss somewhere between the SR and mirror slap. If it's a rare occurrence (as some suggest with pretty specific requirements needed to cause it), then I might be able to tolerate it. Any real frequency, however, would probably be a deal breaker to me. I like to pimp Pentax, being a K7 owner myself, but that's pretty unfortunate issue to have (maybe remedied in more recent builds?).
I think I read in a forum that Pentax are in denial concerning the problem (pretending it doesn't exist when interacting with customers), but internally I imagine they know about it and maybe are taking steps to eliminate it either in current product or the next generation.
 

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Also one thing to note about the D5000 and K-x is taht the LCD screens are low res. 230k or so right? My friend has an XSi and when we compare photos it's like night and day. That 930k vs 230k resolution is like whoah. I can actually tell if my photos are sharp or not on screen and proceed to reshoot if necessary.
I hadn't thought of that. I think the LCD res of the Sony A330 is the same, 230K. 930k seems astronomical!
 

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I paid $485 after BCB for a Canon XSi last year, and I think it's still one of the best for the price. It has spot metering and live view, but no video. ISO 1600 performance is very good. They are hard to find new, but the ebay seller who I just purchased my 7D from still has a few (body only) for $432 after BCB. Here's a link if you're interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-EOS-Rebel...ewItem&pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item53e239fd8a
You can find new 18-55mm IS lenses, which came with kits, for ~ $100 on ebay. My next choice would be a T2i, followed by 7D (though outside your $800 limit).
 

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I paid $485 after BCB for a Canon XSi last year, and I think it's still one of the best for the price. It has spot metering and live view, but no video. ISO 1600 performance is very good. They are hard to find new, but the ebay seller who I just purchased my 7D from still has a few (body only) for $432 after BCB. Here's a link if you're interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-EOS-Rebel...ewItem&pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item53e239fd8a
You can find new 18-55mm IS lenses, which came with kits, for ~ $100 on ebay. My next choice would be a T2i, followed by 7D (though outside your $800 limit).

Yeah, I guess your XSi has that 930k LCD DLeRium is talking about below. That's a big plus.

My friend has an XSi and when we compare photos it's like night and day. That 930k vs 230k resolution is like whoah. I can actually tell if my photos are sharp or not on screen and proceed to reshoot if necessary.
 

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I see used D90 kits on Craigslist for $800. Bigger pentaprism viewfinder, wireless flash commander, compatible with all Nikon AF lenses, better build quality, bigger grip.
 

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First off, I would recommend you go to Best Buy and spend half an hour playing with all the cameras they have. They should have at least a Nikon D3000 or D5000, a Nikon D90, a Canon Rebel or two, a Canon 50D or 7D, and a couple of Sony's. This will give you a good idea of how these bodies "feel" as some of them will be compact (D3000/5000 and Rebels) vs. "full-sized" (D90/50D/7D). The Pentax K-x is even smaller than the smallest Nikanons. I simply find the full-sized bodies much easier to use and to hold. Whether this makes a difference for you is up to you. You definitely hold a DSLR differently than most P&S's.

As for the battery issue, I would recommend you go for one with the rechargable batteries instead of AA's. These cameras and batteries are much better than the state of things when you bought your Samsung. With a typical Canon or Nikon, you will get 300-400 shots before needing to recharge your battery (assuming you're not using the built-in flash much). I'm sure the other brands are roughly the same, but I don't keep up with them. That is a lot of shots, and for most people, that is more than a full day's worth of shooting. Plus there are tons of cheap aftermarket batteries for most cameras (check out the Pentax but I know this would apply to the Canons and Nikons). I can buy an aftermarket battery for <$15 that works in both my 20D and my 5D. So I have 6 or 7 batteries, always a fully charged one available in my bag, and 2 chargers sitting at home always ready to provide a charge. I would rather change one battery that's roughly the size of 2 AA's stuck together (probably smaller, in a compact camera) than deal with 4 AA's and getting them all inserted correctly. Looking at the K-x, it seems like it does get an impressive amount of charge out of NiMH AA's, but again, the smaller, easier-to-handle batteries in most DSLR's should provide more than enough charge for everyone other than pro wedding photographers.

Every DSLR you find will have a flash hot shoe on the top of it, and possibly a flash sync connection under a panel on the side as well. Either one is all you need to get into external flash. Nikon has the best built-in wireless flash capabilities, but you can do it with any DSLR provided you buy the right equipment. Ebay "Poverty Wizards" for <$50 will give you wireless off-camera triggering, and any old hotshoe flash (<$100) will fit in the PW's hotshoe and give you manual control over power. A couple of umbrellas and stands, and you can have a decent portrait setup for 300 bucks that will work with any camera with a hotshoe.

AF speed will be worlds better with any DSLR than with your P&S. Once you reach the DSLR level, though, there are still fast-focusing bodies and slow-focusing bodies; and fast-focusing lenses and slow-focusing lenses. A kit lens is usually pretty slow-focusing (for a DSLR) and low-end bodies the same. But, that's probably not too much concern for you at the moment. The biggest thing you can do is learn how to focus with your AF points. Put your chosen AF point right on a place of good contrast on the subject. If you point a DSLR at an empty blue sky or a blank white wall, it will "hunt" and never be able to find focus. But if you point at the horizon or at a visible crack in the wall, it will AF perfectly. A lot of people use the place where the white of the eye meets the iris for a portraiture AF point. As long as you know how the AF system works, and you work along with it, you should get decent results from any modern DSLR.

Edit: I also usually recommend a used, higher-end DSLR over a new, lower-end DSLR. There is tons of used Canon and Nikon gear all around the Internets and on Craigslist. I have been through a Canon Rebel (original), 10D, 20D, 30D, 40D, and 5D, and never bought one of them new. I bought all of my lenses, save one, used. You can save a decent amount of money, especially on bodies that are 2 or 3 generations old. Lenses generally hold their value pretty well, but buying used still typically offers a 25&#37; or so discount. (You can usually turn around and sell a used lens for pretty much what you paid for it.) Hell even just spending $300 on a used Canon Rebel XT or XTi + 18-55 kit lens will get you 90% of what you would get in a new K-x for less than half the price. Use the Rebel for a while, decide what you like or don't like about it, and move on from there. Probably the same thing with a Nikon D40, D60, or D70. Find something older, pay less than $500 for it, use it for a while, then sell it for within $100 of what you paid for it.
 
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What kind of pictures to you want to take? After you establish that think what would you like to point more in pictures and document about what camera does that. Also, go to a specialized store and try some cameras, take some pictures and see how it looks like.
 

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For a beginner, the canon rebel XS would be a awesome choice !

I used one for about 5 months and sold it. and last week got a T1i =)
 

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you will definitely want to feel the K-x, it it quite small. My wife uses the camera a lot, so the size is a plus for us. I have not experienced the blurriness with mine, i'm actually quite happy with it. The kit lenses are decent and hard to beat for the price. That being said, I actually sold the 55-300 and picked up a Tamron 18-200. I really hated carrying both lenses around.
 

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you will definitely want to feel the K-x, it it quite small. My wife uses the camera a lot, so the size is a plus for us. I have not experienced the blurriness with mine, i'm actually quite happy with it. The kit lenses are decent and hard to beat for the price. That being said, I actually sold the 55-300 and picked up a Tamron 18-200. I really hated carrying both lenses around.
Oh, so with that big range you can get by carrying just that one lens. Hmm. What are the aperture maximums for that lens?
 
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Oh, so with that big range you can get by carrying just that one lens. Hmm.


Generally speaking, image quality suffers on lenses like that. As an example, Canon sells a 28-300mm lens for roughly $2600. It's image quality is nowhere near as good as my $900 24-70.



e: Anyhow, I *never* recommend buying a DSLR new. There are so many great deals on the used market. If I were you, I'd check out a Canon 40D used. YOu should be able to pick one up under $600.
 

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Generally speaking, image quality suffers on lenses like that. As an example, Canon sells a 28-300mm lens for roughly $2600. It's image quality is nowhere near as good as my $900 24-70.



e: Anyhow, I *never* recommend buying a DSLR new. There are so many great deals on the used market. If I were you, I'd check out a Canon 40D used. YOu should be able to pick one up under $600.
A 40D with lens or body only?
 

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A 40D with lens or body only?

Probably body only, but you might be able to get one with an older kit lens (18-55 non-IS, or 28-90 from an old film body) for that amount. Spend another $120 or so on the 18-55 IS kit lens (build quality not as good as the Pentax version, but other than that it's a great starter lens) and you're good to go with a very nice prosumer-level body. Another ~$100 for the 50mm f/1.8, and ~$230 for the 55-250mm IS, and you've got a great kit.

As I recommended above, I'd say in your case (as an absolute beginner in the DSLR world) you could probably step down to an older model somewhere in the Rebel line (XT or XTi) for well under $400, kit lens included (although it will likely be the older non-IS version). Buy it, try it, see where you want to go with it, then spend the rest of your budget on an upgraded body, more lenses and/or upgraded lenses, or flash units. XT's seem to be going for <$250 on eBay with kit lenses included. That is less than you could pay for many P&S's.
 

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Probably body only, but you might be able to get one with an older kit lens (18-55 non-IS, or 28-90 from an old film body) for that amount. Spend another $120 or so on the 18-55 IS kit lens (build quality not as good as the Pentax version, but other than that it's a great starter lens) and you're good to go with a very nice prosumer-level body. Another ~$100 for the 50mm f/1.8, and ~$230 for the 55-250mm IS, and you've got a great kit.

As I recommended above, I'd say in your case (as an absolute beginner in the DSLR world) you could probably step down to an older model somewhere in the Rebel line (XT or XTi) for well under $400, kit lens included (although it will likely be the older non-IS version). Buy it, try it, see where you want to go with it, then spend the rest of your budget on an upgraded body, more lenses and/or upgraded lenses, or flash units. XT's seem to be going for <$250 on eBay with kit lenses included. That is less than you could pay for many P&S's.

I spent the better part of an hour (maybe all) looking through the listings that came up when I searched on DSLR at my local Craigslist. One 40D came up but it was with a bunch of stuff and they wanted $1200. I wasn't too encouraged by what I saw there. Well, there's probably some listings I saw that aren't too bad for me: a few XSi's, quite a few XTi's, a few T1i's, a T2i, some other older Rebels, various Nikons (2-3 D5000's, D90s, D80s, D70s, a D60, a D50, a couple of D40s). Interestingly there were no Pentax DSLRs, at least in the listings I looked at, which dated back to around July 10. There was one Sony, an A100. Mostly the prices didn't look too great, and I figure most of the sellers would consider lowballing their prices. That's something I'm not into, but I guess I could try it. Really, based on the prices I was seeing I had to think that the K-x 2 lens kit at $700 looks competitive, assuming I like the body. I hope to find one to hold in my big hot hands soon. Best Buy said their Pentax's are online only and I just called Ritz too and they said they don't carry them. One thing that makes the K-x look good is the fact that anything I buy off Craigslist or ebay (if it's used), wouldn't be in warranty, AFAIK. One Craigslist poster put that in his listing, I think for a Nikon. He said that Nikon only respects the warranty for the original purchaser. Most of the sellers are pretty reassuring about the condition of the merchandise (that varies a lot), but not having return/warranty privileges is quite a minus I have to think.

you will definitely want to feel the K-x, it it quite small. My wife uses the camera a lot, so the size is a plus for us. I have not experienced the blurriness with mine, i'm actually quite happy with it. The kit lenses are decent and hard to beat for the price. That being said, I actually sold the 55-300 and picked up a Tamron 18-200. I really hated carrying both lenses around.
Where can I find a K-x to do that? I just called my local Best Buy and Ritz Camera and they don't carry them. Best Buy has them online only, well, some Pentax, I didn't ask which. I'm in Berkeley, CA. Seems like here in the Bay Area it should be possible to find them without too much trouble. I'm really a noob about camera stores, etc. Well, I'm friendly with a guy who knows, and maybe I should call him. He used to work in camera stores until recently, selling cameras. He's very into photography. He actually recommended Pentax to me a year or two ago when I told him I was planning to buy a DSLR.
 
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Fry's has Pentax's the last time I checked. It has been more than a few months though.
 

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My apologies for just skimming but I didnt seem to see this info given to the OP. Most photogs will tell you that you buy into a system since the lighting and lens aspect of taking a picture will easily cost more and remain in your shooting arsenal a lot longer than whatever body you may want. This is why pentax or sony arent very good options. If you are planning on buying more than one lens and getting into photography than Nikon and Canon would be your only serious options. Within these 2 systems they both produce a crop camera 1.6x format and a full frame format. All crops that have a similar release time (for example released in 2009 or 2010) will give you very similar pics in terms or low light low noise shooting. Full frame is better at handling noise in low light but is also alot more expensive. I apologize that I do not keep up with the Nikon system so can only recommend a Canon body but the T1i or the T2i are both very good cameras for a cheap price. I own a 50D thats older but offers a few nice features and is considered more of a professional camera due to other benefits that help to get that pic you wanted.

If you think that you will be getting into photography than get a dslr,but remember lenses will be very expensive and carrying around all this equipment is not easy, convenient nor light. If you just want to take some snap pics that are still very good quality then something like the Canon G11 would be an excellent choice. Im a member of a photography forum and people are always asking what lens to use in taking a trip to disney world or other places and many times the response is to keep the dslr at home and take a smaller type camera. So all these things need to be considered.
 

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I spent the better part of an hour (maybe all) looking through the listings that came up when I searched on DSLR at my local Craigslist. One 40D came up but it was with a bunch of stuff and they wanted $1200. I wasn't too encouraged by what I saw there. Well, there's probably some listings I saw that aren't too bad for me: a few XSi's, quite a few XTi's, a few T1i's, a T2i, some other older Rebels, various Nikons (2-3 D5000's, D90s, D80s, D70s, a D60, a D50, a couple of D40s). Interestingly there were no Pentax DSLRs, at least in the listings I looked at, which dated back to around July 10. There was one Sony, an A100. Mostly the prices didn't look too great, and I figure most of the sellers would consider lowballing their prices. That's something I'm not into, but I guess I could try it. Really, based on the prices I was seeing I had to think that the K-x 2 lens kit at $700 looks competitive, assuming I like the body.

Craigslist is hit and miss. A lot of the sellers on CL must be smoking pot (or they paid Best Buy full retail prices for their equipment and actually believe that a used Canon 430EX II flash is worth $300 when you can get a brand new one on Amazon for $250). I have gotten a few good deals off of CL, but you've got to wait for them and pounce when they hit. A much better option is forums such as this one (bodies and lenses come up every so often in FS/FT -- I note that 996GT2 has a 40D up for $580 shipped), photography-on-the.net for Canon and fredmiranda.com for Nikon. Generally those prices fall right in line with eBay prices, but there can always be people high on weed and overcharging, or people just needing money and wanting to dump gear for really great prices. You never know, and it takes some work, but it's definitely the way to get the best deal if you are at all concerned about money.

I think I paid $300 or $350 for my original Rebel with kit lens on eBay (before I knew about all the forums, etc.) in early 2008, and that was pretty much the going price. At that price point, it was an easy entry into the DSLR world. Within a few months, I had a 40D and several better lenses, but the Rebel got me on the path and I could stay within the Canon system and upgrade lenses or bodies as I chose.... I think I sold the Rebel for $250. Earlier this year I paid $550 for a 20D + Canon grip + Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 from Craigslist. Drop the lens for $330 on a forum, the grip's gone for $80, and now I've got a 20D for ~$150 net. The deals come up if you're quick. I also live in a major metro area, so that helps too. If you don't, I wouldn't put much hope into CraigsList.
 
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