Help me spend $3,000!

Poulsonator

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If only it were real money.

You see, I have a lab due on Monday night for my Network Concepts class. Basically, my teacher has given us $8,000 in "virtual" money to buy 3 PCs - a desktop for work, a mobile for work, and one for home. I've allotted $2,500 each for both work machines and, of course, I've allotted the most ($3,000) for my home machine. I'm going to buy the work machines from Dell, so I just need some advice on what high-end parts I should put in the home machine!

I have lots of ideas and have built many machines, but nothing like this. I have to include a monitor, but I don't have to worry about shipping costs. I also have to include details of what I buy and why (don't worry, I'll look up what you post and do the work!).

So, any takers?

 

John

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Since you are already buying (2) Dell pc's, make it a third and buy a Dimension XPS "gaming" pc.
 

John

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Originally posted by: GaryShandling
Alienware area-51 for home.
Alienware area-51 M for mobile.
Alienware custom for work.

Don't forget the jar of Vaseline?.
 
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Originally posted by: John
Originally posted by: GaryShandling
Alienware area-51 for home.
Alienware area-51 M for mobile.
Alienware custom for work.

Don't forget the jar of Vaseline?.

after buying three alienwares, i dont think there is any room in the budjet for vasoline :Q
 

Poulsonator

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I would like to build for the $3,000 (home) machine to allow for maximum expandibility and future-proofness (nice word I just made up). If I go with Dell or Alienware, I feel that I'll be limited in those departments. Warranty for the home machine doesn't matter as it will be my personal machine and I'll take care of any issues.

Going with Dell for the work machines is perfect. 3 year warranties and those machines will last minimum of 2 years. It's perfect...for work.

Yes, this is all virtual. I just love talking like it's real.
 

joshg

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I could easily configure a "what I would consider" super-PC for my "home" PC. I think that last time I configured a "reasonable" PC that would be the end-all be-all (IMHO) of PCs, it was still only around $2k-$2.5k.

Of course, you could take what I had and just "up the game" even more!

Recently what I had was something like:

- Your choice of Intel 875P Canterwood 800MHz FSB boards
- Your choice of Intel 800MHz FSB CPUs (I went with 2.4C in my config as I felt that was enough, and the price/performance jump between this and the others warranted this chip as the "best deal" in my eyes, however with such a large budget you could go higher! )
- Your choice 1GB (2x512) PC3200(or higher) quality DDR
- 2x WD RAPTOR 36.7GB 10000RPM SATA drives running in RAID 0 (for OS / apps)
- 1x Seagate 120GB ATA 7200RPM 8MB cache (for data storage - could possibly go higher or x2 on this if needed)
- Matrox Parhelia 128MB (of course, I do some amount of "work" on my home machine too, but you might choose something different here like an ATI AIW or one of the GF FX series, etc... But with the Parhelia you could get 3 Monitors, and that would be ... awesome )
- 52x24x52x CDRW (or you could go with DVD burner if you wanted)
- 16x DVD
- Logitech MX700 mouse
- some type of high-qual cordless keyboard (I haven't researched them yet )
- I was just going to go with onboard sound (I.E. SoundMAX on the ASUS board), but you could get something "high-end" such as an M-Audio or Audigy2 or Game Theater 7.1, etc., etc. solution if you wanted
- your choice of nice speaker setup
- your choice 19" or 21" flat screen AG CRT Monitor (I don't like LCDs for "home", I.E., "game" environments ) ... (or multiple if you wish )
- your choice high qual case with high qual power supply (I'd probably go with an Antec because of the noise factor)
- plus any other minor goodies (cables, mousepad, OS, software, etc.) that you may need...


And if you still need to "fill your quota" then you could really get into performance and move to a SCSI setup, up processor speed, memory, etc. etc. etc., but if you buy good quality stuff this should get you close.


Well... of course all of this info in this thread is just "IMHO".
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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I wouldn't choose a Dell if thats possible, but instead all the parts to build your own. Make sure to get some nice SCSI 15,000 RPM drive setup with those as well...
 

Harabecw

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do you HAVE to spend $3000 or can you just get what you WANT and save the virtual $$?
 

Poulsonator

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I can spend whatever I want on any of the machines, I just have an $8,000 budget. I've used Dell for work machines for the last 5 years, so I just figured I'd take the easy way out and buy my work machines through them. I do like their Centrino Latitudes for my mobile option.

Here's what I came up with for a home machine. Please critique!

HOME PC
 

joshg

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OK, well you asked for it!

Again, the following information is all "IMHO" , as I may have different requirements for my PC than you or anyone else!


First off, I don't feel that there is very much value added in going with the 3GHz processor. Just an an example, if you're talking about only the "C" or 800MHz FSB w/ HT processors, the 2.4 = $72.92 per ghz, 2.6 = $85.77 per ghz, 2.8 = $100 per ghz, and 3.06 = $135.29 per ghz.

This is using OEM pricing... As you can tell, the higher you go up, the higher per power you are spending, with the last jump ($100/ghz to $135/ghz, or, $280 to $414) being much higher than the others, with not a very significant performance increase. That's why I personally would probably go with the 2.4 for myself, but if you are really wanting a lot then the 2.8 wouldn't be that unreasonable (again this is all MHO).

Next, as I had originally said, if you really want performance then you're going to have to decrease the access times from your disks. If you're big into gaming or any type of movie editing, etc., etc., etc., large file transfers - anything that requires a lot of read/write to the hard disks or loading programs, then your best bet to increase performance is faster hard drives and RAID. That's why I recommend going with a SATA RAID with 2 Raptors, and you can still use your "standard" IDE channels as well.

This could give you your DVD burner, CD burner (I really like this combo, btw, even though the DVD burner can do both... if you're going to have an extra CD drive, why not spend a little bit more and make it a fast burner, too? the investment is very good for the price)

Finally, to me that ATI 9800 Pro 256MB is extreme overkill at this point, and very poor price/performance ratio. Instead you could get something like an ATI 9700 Pro 128MB AIW that includes many, many more options and features, all while maintaining excellent performance.

The speakers would probably be a tad overkill for my tastes, however some people like them so I'll go ahead and say "leave 'em in!"

The monitor seems like a pretty good deal for a nice monitor, however if the price gap between 21" and 22" was very large I'd probably step down to 21" in order to beef up something else... again that's just my opinion though.

Here's what I'd change:

Intel Pentium 4 / 2.8GHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz FSB - OEM $280.00
Logitech Cordless MX Duo - RETAIL $91.00
ATI All-In-Wonder RADEON 9700 PRO 128MB DDR 8X AGP BULK $345.00
Western Digital Raptor 36GB SATA WD360GD 10,000 RPM 8MB Hard Drive OEM (QTY 2) $294.00
Grand Total $2,863.08

Swap out 3.06 cpu for 2.8, take out the mouse and keyboard and instead get the MX combo cordless KB and mouse (this is just a personal preference ), swap 9800 Pro 256 for 9700 Pro 128 AIW, and add 2 RAPTORS.

Actually... If you wanted to keep the 3.06C but keep the other changes, you could still do that....

Intel Pentium 4 / 3.0CGHz 512k socket 478 Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz FSB - OEM $414.00
Logitech Cordless MX Duo - RETAIL $91.00
ATI All-In-Wonder RADEON 9700 PRO 128MB DDR 8X AGP BULK $345.00
Western Digital Raptor 36GB SATA WD360GD 10,000 RPM 8MB Hard Drive OEM (QTY 2) $294.00
Grand Total $2,997.08


... That'll put you REALLY close! Hey, you DID say that shipping didn't matter!

Anyway, that's just my $0.02 about that "virtual" setup...
 

joshg

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By the way, in that above "change" the 2 RAPTOR drives are in addition to the existing 120GB drive... You'd have 3 hard drives, 2 RAPTORS in RAID 0 for your OS and programs, and then 120GB for data storage.

Everything else replaces the component that was already filling that role, except those raptors which would just be added instead of replacing the other HD.

 

Poulsonator

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SOLD!

I love the suggestions and I will gladly take them all. And the price is just right!
 

Deuce24

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I reccomend you take a look at Sharky Extreme's May PC Gaming setup...Extreme Gaming PC is $4000, but you can cut some corners on it.
 

Poulsonator

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OK! I've updated my home machine! Please critique:

HOME PC

I'm over just a bit on the $3,000 but that's OK. I've actually pieced together a cheaper desktop for work, so I have some extra cash to play with. In fact, it may be enough for me to get a 3.0 GHz, but we'll see.

Anyway, I added the Serial ATA drives and will configure them in RAID 0. My question is, what will I need to buy to make sure this happens? Where are the cables (I couldn't find them on NewEgg)? Will I need any power adapters? I ask because I'll need to add them to the cost.

I also went with the 9700 Pro "Ultimate Edition" from Sapphire. It's the card I currently own in my real home machine and I love it. With the Zalman HSF I'm buying for the fantasy machine, the Zalman on the 9700 Pro will ensure a very quiet machine (which is good).

Also, I couldn't find any of the quite NMB fans that were recently offered at SVC at 5 for $11 (I fortunately got some about a month ago). What I used instead were the Panaflo's...more expensive, but I've heard good things about them.

Let me know what you think!
 
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