Help me to build a VFM very low budget pc 250euro...

[green dragon]

Good morning guys!

I want to setup a pc for basic use (office, internet, downloading movies , only facebook games and skype).
I also want to start with entry level parts and in the future to have the ability to upgrade , if economically is it possible . I have no interest to o / c.

I prefer the socket intel 1150.
For processor I am between intel celeron G1840 and pentium g3220. The difference is about 15 euros.

What differences have the above two ;;
The above pentium will give me more than the celeron, for my needs?

Thank you!!!
Sorry for my English

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Why not get a g3258? or are you wanting onboard graphics?

 

[green dragon]

Why not get a g3258?

Thank you for answer
I do not look the g2358, because
- Not interested in o / c
- To reduce cost
- I think it is overqualified for my needs

are you wanting onboard graphics?

onboard graphics is ok for me

 

[TheELF]

What differences have the above two ;;
The above pentium will give me more than the celeron, for my needs?

You will not notice any difference with the things you will be doing

The difference is about 10% (wen running at 100% ) speed and 1mb more cache.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/15...e_G1820_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3220.html

 

[sm625]

I have two G3258 both running at or near 4.5GHz on stock cooling. It takes literally nothing to do it, and an o/c of around 3.8GHz would be even more effortless. There is no reason not to do it. Keep in mind that once you upgrade, you will want to sell the old chip. And a G3258 will hold onto its value for much longer than those locked chips. People are going to be running overclocked G3258's 5 years from now and theyre still going to be very fast for emulators, heavily modded minecraft installations, flash games, and many other things that will bog down lower clocked i5 and i7 chips.

 

[green dragon]

With a cheap mobo H81 (e.g. Asrock H81M), is it possible to overclock this cpu?

 

[Phynaz]

250 euro for an entire PC? Including OS?

Buy a Dell.

http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-3647-small-desktop/pd?ref=PD_Family

 

[TheELF]

With a cheap mobo H81 (e.g. Asrock H81M), is it possible to overclock this cpu?

Yes you can,just have a look at this thread.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2389948

 

[Shehriazad]

If you really just want a facebook& office PC...then why not take a look at AMDs Socket AM1?

They have a TDP of 25 Watt, have integrated graphics that should be decent enough vs intel HD, are in the same price range/cheaper and the additional CPU performance on the intel side does not matter since you want a total low end solution.

Not to mention the decent iGPU makes for a more balanced product. Sempron 2650(dual core 25w) and Sempron 3850(quad core 25w) should both be at the same price or cheaper than the intel solutions. If you want to spend 10$/€ extra you can also get an AM1 Athlon that has higher clocks but STILL retains the 25w TDP. Those can even do light 3D gaming in 720P no problem.


So to summarize:

+Lower TDP/heat
+Likely cheaper (still depends on region)
+Strong iGPU (Sempron 3850 is actually above HD3000)
+the boxed cooler for AM1 is dead silent, thanks to the 25W TDP.
+Board+CPU can be gotten for 60$/€ (depends on region). This leaves plenty of money for other components and a legal windows copy if needed

-+Weaker CPU side -> Which shouldnt matter since on the intel side the iGPU will limit EVERYTHING while it won't on the AMD side.

 

[DrMrLordX]

For 250 euros, he doesn't even need to go with a sempron. He can get the 5350 and call it a day. Board + CPU should come in at ~$100 or less, no muss, no fuss. He can even grab that one Asus board and do overclocking if he feels like it (but he probably doesn't).

 

[Yuriman]

The Celeron will feel a lot faster in some cases. AM1 CPUs aren't quite enough for a seamless Windows desktop experience, and I get the impression OP will have no use for a better gaming IGP. Also, a Celeron will not come anywhere near its TDP.

Prebuilt is probably the way to go though.

 

[positivedoppler]

You need to give people a better idea of what existing components you have and have not for a better recommendation. If everything is from scratch, it will be a tough fit for your budget.
Case
Memory
Video Card
Hard Drive
Power Supply
Keyboard
Mouse
Monitor
Operating System

 

[escrow4]

i3 and no lower. You buy something slower you will feel the slowness. Besides this is the sort of PC that sits and works until it dies. For basic use, the i3 would be that choice.

 

[Maximilian]

i3 and no lower. You buy something slower you will feel the slowness. Besides this is the sort of PC that sits and works until it dies. For basic use, the i3 would be that choice.

G1840 is fine for that task. i3 is overkill.

 

[DrMrLordX]

i3 and no lower. You buy something slower you will feel the slowness. Besides this is the sort of PC that sits and works until it dies. For basic use, the i3 would be that choice.

Does an i3 even fit in the OP's budget? positivedoppler raises a good point. This guy might need to purchase an OS license and a whole bunch of other stuff that many of us might take for granted. At least an AM1 system might let him scrape by in budget without having to go pre-built.

Pre-builts bring too many problems to the table these days. Buying pre-built means paying ~$400 for an E1 or a J1900 or something. Bleargh.

edit: here's an example:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/28fwjX

Some might question the choice in RAM and SSD. There's room to cut corners there, obviously, though there's nothing wrong with going heavy in the i/o department. The PSU is actually overkill, but on short notice, I didn't see anything obviously more appropriate for the build.

And sadly it's still about $36 more than his stated budget, without even going into case, keyboard, mouse, monitor . . .

 

[DigDog]

i disapprove. put a bit of money together and buy a semi-decent machine.

 

[eton975]

Does an i3 even fit in the OP's budget? positivedoppler raises a good point. This guy might need to purchase an OS license and a whole bunch of other stuff that many of us might take for granted. At least an AM1 system might let him scrape by in budget without having to go pre-built.

Pre-builts bring too many problems to the table these days. Buying pre-built means paying ~$400 for an E1 or a J1900 or something. Bleargh.

edit: here's an example:

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/

Some might question the choice in RAM and SSD. There's room to cut corners there, obviously, though there's nothing wrong with going heavy in the i/o department. The PSU is actually overkill, but on short notice, I didn't see anything obviously more appropriate for the build.

And sadly it's still about $36 more than his stated budget, without even going into case, keyboard, mouse, monitor . . .

That just links to a blank partlist. You need to export to BBCode.

 

[green dragon]

Hello guys.
Carefully read your messages and feel the need to thank you all for your time.
For now, oriented to the following solution:

Cpu: Intel Pentium G3258 for 63e
Mobo: Asrock H81M-HDS for 48e
Ram: Kingston KVR16N11S8/4 4GB DDR3 1600MHZ for 37e
Hdd: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB Sata III for 44e
Psu: BE QUIET! System Power 7 300W for 33e
Case: cugar spike 5ss7 for 21e
Total: 246e

There is no need for OS.

This solution gives me some options, such as:
- attempt α small overclock if sometime I want,
- to add later a single used graphic card
- to upgrade later
- to have a good resale value

I recognise that I have little knowledge about AMD platform and
I would like to explore the possibilities in this direction.

 

[DrMrLordX]

That just links to a blank partlist. You need to export to BBCode.

Hah that's what I get for not double-checking my links. Woops! Will fix real soon now . . .

edit: fixed above link. Removed OS, too.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/28fwjX

The G3258 is a faster processor, but you will not enjoy using the integrated graphics on that CPU. The 5350 is slower, but you can do okay with it. If you want to overclock it via bclk, I recommend getting a cheap PCIe SATA controller for your ssd. And, let's face it, you're going to want an SSD. You can probably use the same case as the one in your build.

Also, you want more than 4GB RAM, especially if you are going to use an iGPU. You have to sacrifice some of your system memory for framebuffer.

 

[DigDog]

how much are you paying for the HD? could you live for a while with a 60Gb SSD?
can you go up to 450W on the PSU? that would allow you later to buy a discreet GPU, maybe used?

 

[eton975]

-snip-

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/28fwjX

-snip-.

I feel Celeron G1840/Pentium G3420/G3258 + cheap H81 mobo for around the same price would be a much better option for future upgrades. They will dominate the 5350 in single-threaded performance.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Oh, no doubt. It's just that his graphics will be terrible until he upgrades. Being on a budget is all about compromises.

 

[eton975]

Oh, no doubt. It's just that his graphics will be terrible until he upgrades. Being on a budget is all about compromises.

Not always. In anything CPU-heavy, the Athlon will struggle, bottlenecking the iGPU. But the Athlon might be better in other situations. Some AT memebrs tested the Haswell Celeron/Pentium iGPUs against the 5350's in Lego games, and the Pentium won.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2399275&page=7

(Read pages 6 and 7 of the thread above)

Also, didn't OP say he/she wants an upgradeable platform? AM1 is essentially a dead-end, with a slow PCI-E 2.0 X4 slot that will bottleneck even low-mid end graphics cards and the fastest CPU being slower than a 2007 Q6600.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Took awhile to piece through that thread and get to the meat of it (and I have so many posts per page that, for me, there's only two pages, but I digress).

AM1 is not an upgradeable platform. It's just cheap. I'm a little surprised to see the GT1 graphics getting anywhere near a 5350 though. A pity, really, since that's where the 5350 was supposed to shine. Oh well!

Still, I think the OP needs to do what he can to get an SSD since that will govern much of the responsiveness of his system given the stated usage patterns, and he's going to want 8 gigs of RAM. Is he really going to want to put an i3 or i5 on an H81 system with a WD Blue and 4 gigs at a future date? I wouldn't, not really.

But then, I wouldn't want to be saddled with an AM1 system either.

edit: for those wondering why I keep putting that DDR3-2400 in there:

It's cheap, and you don't have to run it at DDR3-2400. You can set it to CAS 6 and run it at much lower frequencies with good results, which is what's going to happen with that Pentium since it doesn't support anything faster than, what, DDR3-1333 on H81? I think? Or is it DDR3-1600? Ditto for the 5350.

If he can find a way to get a 60-120 gig SSD and some more RAM, I think he should do it. Heck the 4 gig kits aren't going for much less than the 8 gig kits anyway. Let's see . . .

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/d7fwjX

Here's a G3258 build to counter the AM1 build I pasted above. More expensive, but more upgradeable. Still not a Z97 system but oh well, too bad. Can't have everything!

 

[positivedoppler]

Am1 has an unknown upgrade path and you are limited by the power supply choice. Im partial to having at least four cores. Im not sure about prices where you are, but if you are considering amd the 7600 might be in barely within your budget. With whatever option, i would not try to overclock given the power supply without doing some serious research on the power 7.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8232/...y-edition-review-the-intel-pentium-g3258-ae/2

At stock speed, the pentium g3258 is about the same as the 7600. If you are using the igpu to play games, its not even close. The g3258 is not playable.

Also what you might want to consider. You plan on reselling. The entire system or parts? You would know the local market far more than me. But if I'm in the market for a used part, I would stay the heck away from any G3258 knowing there is a good chance the prior owner has beaten it to death. However, in terms of individual parts, Intel parts seem to hold its value a tad better in the long run than AMD.