Help me understand UAW Unions.

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
When I worked at Wal-Mart we were instructed not to speak to any union reps or accept any literature from them. If we were approached then we were to turn them down and tell management.

Funny. Its different at Toyota where the workers openly accept union literature and proposed contracts. By a factor of 10 to 1.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: dartworth
LOL?Henry Ford, now there is a man that new how to treat his workforce. Maybe you could throw in some quotes from Rockefeller too?:roll:

LOL, no fvcking sh!t!

 

[Ornery]

LOL?Henry Ford, now there is a man that new how to treat his workforce. Maybe you could throw in some quotes from Rockefeller too?:roll:

Fvcking hilarious alright. He should have stuck to his guns and closed shop instead.



Here you are lumping all types of unions together?the teachers union and the UAW are in no way shape or form affiliated.

So, you agree that union (among others) is an albatross around our necks? Guess it only matters whose ox is being gored, eh?



And please stop with bullshit about ?the world owes me a living? and the whole idea of self entitlement. As a union member, you a bound to the agreement that were reach in a COLLECTIVE bargaining agreement.

As a union member myself, I don?t feel I am owed a job. Everyday I have to perform or I?m filling for unemployment. We have to go to our training center on our own time to learn new procedures and new technologies.

So please stop with the generalizations and misinformation that you always throw out?

Misinformation, meaning links to FACTS you don't like? If by "agreement", you mean extortion, then I concur. Walmart's got the right idea. Too bad Ford and others caved...

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Thera
The "Big 3" suck because they make a car/truck/SUV that I, an American, don't want to purchase. They can try to blame the Unions but in the end the crap models, crap design, crap quality, and crap marketing killed them.

Exactly. The MAIN problem GM has is it still has the Oldsmobile and Buick line! WTF? Why don't they cut those anchors off? Jesus. They can save an ASS load by just getting rid of that crap.

 

[dartworth]

It is clear to me that most people do not know how unions work, or they have a perception that is entirely wrong. I am a union member and I know how my union is run and where ALL the money goes. I may not agree with the officers of my local, but they are elected officials and I have to live with their decisions.

I am not a member of the UAW, so I can?t speak for that union specifically. However as a union member I do believe in the cause and the rights that unions have. I am sorry if you do not understand that.

 

[Ornery]

...crap models, crap design, crap quality, and crap marketing killed them...

That's a hoot. Top selling vehicles in this country for the past 20+ years are full size DOMESTIC trucks, copied from the frame up to the RWD, V8s by guess who? :roll:


...the cause and the rights that unions have...

I know if I start a business, and people come to me hat in hand, asking for work, they can accept the pay and benefits I'm offering or leave it. To organize a union to extort more money from me, after I've given them a job, would push me right over the edge. And, I'll be damned if that ain't the "world-owes-me" attitude that prevails these days. :|

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
When I worked at Wal-Mart we were instructed not to speak to any union reps or accept any literature from them. If we were approached then we were to turn them down and tell management.

You have every right under the law to speak to a union rep. Not on company time however. If you were to be terminated as a result of talking to this union rep, it would have been an illegal termination.

I never was clear on the consequences of communication with them. I never felt like my job was on the line though.
Anyway it was a preemptive announcement.
I had no personal interest in joining a union because of my distaste for them.

 

[dartworth]

Oh...you want to bring up the article about the job bank?

The job banks have been going on for years?that was part of the agreement that GM signed.


It costs GM less than 1% of their total revenues?GM has bigger problems than the job banks?

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Thera
The "Big 3" suck because they make a car/truck/SUV that I, an American, don't want to purchase. They can try to blame the Unions but in the end the crap models, crap design, crap quality, and crap marketing killed them.

Exactly. The MAIN problem GM has is it still has the Oldsmobile and Buick line! WTF? Why don't they cut those anchors off? Jesus. They can save an ASS load by just getting rid of that crap.

Oldsmobile was discontinued in 2004....

The end

In December 2000, General Motors announced they would be phasing out the Oldsmobile brand, which had become the oldest surviving American automobile brand. The 2004 model year was to be Oldsmobile's last, with the last new Oldsmobile model being the GMT360-derived Bravada introduced in 2002.

Wiki

 

[sandmanwake]

Why doesn't GM just wait until the contracts run its course and just not renew it? Or is this one of those perpetual contracts?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Thera
The "Big 3" suck because they make a car/truck/SUV that I, an American, don't want to purchase. They can try to blame the Unions but in the end the crap models, crap design, crap quality, and crap marketing killed them.

Exactly. The MAIN problem GM has is it still has the Oldsmobile and Buick line! WTF? Why don't they cut those anchors off? Jesus. They can save an ASS load by just getting rid of that crap.

Oldsmobile was discontinued in 2004....

The end

In December 2000, General Motors announced they would be phasing out the Oldsmobile brand, which had become the oldest surviving American automobile brand. The 2004 model year was to be Oldsmobile's last, with the last new Oldsmobile model being the GMT360-derived Bravada introduced in 2002.

Wiki

Well that was a GREAT move. Now they need to get rid of Buick.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: DaWhim
because they signed a contract?

Pretty much. Breaking the contract would end up costing them more than keeping it in effect i would think.

till they file for protection... then they do whatever they want.

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Thera
The "Big 3" suck because they make a car/truck/SUV that I, an American, don't want to purchase. They can try to blame the Unions but in the end the crap models, crap design, crap quality, and crap marketing killed them.

Exactly. The MAIN problem GM has is it still has the Oldsmobile and Buick line! WTF? Why don't they cut those anchors off? Jesus. They can save an ASS load by just getting rid of that crap.

Oldsmobile was discontinued in 2004....

The end

In December 2000, General Motors announced they would be phasing out the Oldsmobile brand, which had become the oldest surviving American automobile brand. The 2004 model year was to be Oldsmobile's last, with the last new Oldsmobile model being the GMT360-derived Bravada introduced in 2002.

Wiki

Well that was a GREAT move. Now they need to get rid of Buick.

Meh...I actually think Buick has a position in the GM lineup that is rather unique. "Entry-level" luxury cars - at a much lower price point than Cadillac, but more upscale than a Chevy or Pontiac.

IMO, Chevy and Pontiac are somewhat redundant though. They both seem to occupy a similar general market segment.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Well that was a GREAT move. Now they need to get rid of Buick.

Old people have to drive something. What are they going to drive if they can't afford a Cadillac?

 

[Ornery]

1. :roll:
   
   GS455 Stage 1:
   • 
     455 V8 360 bhp @ 4,600rpm, 510 lb-ft @ 2,800 rpm
     
     0-60 in 6.5 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.8 sec @ 101 mph...

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Well that was a GREAT move. Now they need to get rid of Buick.

Old people have to drive something. What are they going to drive if they can't afford a Cadillac?

A Toyota? Why would you get a Buick when you can have a NICE Toyota?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Ornery

1. :roll:
   
   GS455 Stage 1:
   • 
     455 V8 360 bhp @ 4,600rpm, 510 lb-ft @ 2,800 rpm
     
     0-60 in 6.5 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.8 sec @ 101 mph...

Buick hasn't made a good car since the Grand National. Buick was competitive in the old days, but not anymore.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Thera
The "Big 3" suck because they make a car/truck/SUV that I, an American, don't want to purchase. They can try to blame the Unions but in the end the crap models, crap design, crap quality, and crap marketing killed them.

Exactly. The MAIN problem GM has is it still has the Oldsmobile and Buick line! WTF? Why don't they cut those anchors off? Jesus. They can save an ASS load by just getting rid of that crap.

Oldsmobile was discontinued in 2004....

The end

In December 2000, General Motors announced they would be phasing out the Oldsmobile brand, which had become the oldest surviving American automobile brand. The 2004 model year was to be Oldsmobile's last, with the last new Oldsmobile model being the GMT360-derived Bravada introduced in 2002.

Wiki

Well that was a GREAT move. Now they need to get rid of Buick.

Meh...I actually think Buick has a position in the GM lineup that is rather unique. "Entry-level" luxury cars - at a much lower price point than Cadillac, but more upscale than a Chevy or Pontiac.

IMO, Chevy and Pontiac are somewhat redundant though. They both seem to occupy a similar general market segment.

And by "unique," do you mean ugly as hell?

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Buick hasn't made a good car since the Grand National. Buick was competitive in the old days, but not anymore.

What ^ Said.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Well that was a GREAT move. Now they need to get rid of Buick.

Old people have to drive something. What are they going to drive if they can't afford a Cadillac?

A Toyota? Why would you get a Buick when you can have a NICE Toyota?

Ask all of the old people who buy them... They're also quite reliable, right up there with Toyota I believe. I'd buy a Buick before I'd buy a Chevy.
(I wouldn't really call Toyota a competitor of Buick either...)

Originally posted by: JackBurton

And by "unique," do you mean ugly as hell?

You're not their target demographic.

Edit: although I guess they are trying to attract a younger audience with the Lacrosse...

 

[spidey07]

Hence why fanboys should be required to post age and vehicles owned instead of spouting marketing propganda.

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Hence why fanboys should be required to post age and vehicles owned instead of spouting marketing propganda.

Uh, are you referring to me? I'm hardly a 'fanboy' - the only Buick I'd ever consider buying is approaching 20 years old - for the newest ones.

I'm not spouting 'marketing propaganda' either. I happen to think that the Buick division fills a space in GM's lineup that competes with other (non-GM) brands for a well-defined market, where Chevy / Pontiac seem to offer cars that appeal to the same buyers - in other words, Chevy / Pontiac compete against each other.

If GM were to axe another brand, they'd do better to cut one of those two than to do away with Buick. That's all I'm saying, and it is my honest opinion.

Edit: If not referring to me, then...well, I got that out there anyway.
I do have a feeling that most of the import fanboys bash domestics because it's the "cool thing to do," especially on this forum.
I also have a feeling that nearly all of said fanboys have never owned / driven a domestic for any length of time, having been led to believe that they are all "crap" and will break down if you look at them funny.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Black88GTA

Originally posted by: spidey07
Hence why fanboys should be required to post age and vehicles owned instead of spouting marketing propganda.

Uh, are you referring to me? I'm hardly a 'fanboy' - the only Buick I'd ever consider buying is approaching 20 years old - for the newest ones.

I'm not spouting 'marketing propaganda' either. I happen to think that the Buick division fills a space in GM's lineup that competes with other (non-GM) brands for a well-defined market, where Chevy / Pontiac seem to offer cars that appeal to the same buyers - in other words, Chevy / Pontiac compete against each other.

If GM were to axe another brand, they'd do better to cut one of those two than to do away with Buick. That's all I'm saying, and it is my honest opinion.

Well thanks a bunch for your honest, and a pretty good objective, opinion. Seriously.

I guess I'm just disgruntled by the power of marketing.

-edit-
damn you GTA!!!!!


You edited before I completed my edit.

To that end i think I have clearly answered the OPs inquiry.

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: Ornery
...crap models, crap design, crap quality, and crap marketing killed them...

That's a hoot. Top selling vehicles in this country for the past 20+ years are full size DOMESTIC trucks, copied from the frame up to the RWD, V8s by guess who? :roll:

Ah, ok. I somehow thought this thread said they were struggling. Nice to know they're doing good business and taking it to the bank. /end thread.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: episodic
In clear English - why can't the Big 3 automakers simply fire all of the union employees and hire non-union employees and be aggressive in a new non-union stance like many companies are today (think one of the world's largest retailers).


Why?

I am not saying all Unions are productive but the ones that are protect the peeons from getting fvcked over by the management.

Common practice in American society.

Ausm