HELP! Where can I buy an M-16?

[TheDingo]

<< << up,up,down,down,left,right,B,A,select,start..
wasn't that cheat for the NES game "lifeforce"? >>
Nope, that code is from Contra >>



Both wrong....kinda
up up down down left right left right B A start
Thats the classic Konami code that worked on almost all Konami games (gave 30 lives in both Contra and Lifeforce)

...now something about guns?

 

[CedarTeeth135]

^^ damn, that game was pretty hard. Had to use the codes to beat it, but then again I was like 7.

 

[b0mbrman]

<< I have a friend who is home from the Marines and is desperately desiring to fire one once in awhile. So... I want sellers and I want prices. Anybody know about any of that out there? >>


You can't...legally at least. The Army keeps too close a watch on them for very many to leak out...

 

[b0mbrman]

<< << up,up,down,down,left,right,B,A,select,start..
wasn't that cheat for the NES game "lifeforce"? >>
Nope, that code is from Contra >>


It was the cheat code for a few Konami games...

 

[JohnnyReb]

Don't believe it! The 30-06 and later the .308 Winchester were replaced for good reason....

Yes. Ammo compatibility with NATO weenies. Trust Europeans to think that shooting a lot is better that destroying what you hit.

Same reason we dropped the mighty .45 for that Nazi crap 9mm Luger.

Navy's got it right. They still use the M-14.

John

"If you can't do it with a 30-06, YOU probably can't do it" - Col. Jeff Cooper

 

[Stiler]

ah, good ole TN , almost anything isn't illegal here, heck you can even buy liquor and beer on sundays now. My grandpa has an uzi, man you'd think that since you would see people using 2 in movies at one time they'd be kinda light, but that darn thing is frickin heavier than i though.

 

[Mookow]

<< Semi-Auto 30-06. Patton said "In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised" >>



And its competition in the US inventory at the time was a 5 shot bolt action rifle (I'm not saying the Springfield '03 was crap, but it did lack magazine capacity AND it was bolt action... it worked fine in WWI, but it was outdated by WWII). BTW, I'll bet that the M16 wasnt in production when Patton made that statement. I dont know when he made that statement, but chances are it was prior to the introduction of the M16, or even the M14.

 

[Semper Fi]

What is he, a reservist, straight outta boot camp or just trying to get a DH?

BTW USMC issue M16's(A2) are not fully auto, just like Epyon stated. I doubt if they ever go back to full auto weapons for the basic rifleman (grunt). Basically it's just a waste of ammo.
And if history is any indicator they won't get any newer versions until the Army has decided they don't need anymore.

 

[Mookow]

<< You can't...legally at least. The Army keeps too close a watch on them for very many to leak out... >>



You can so buy them legally. Just be prepared to pay for it, and jump through hoops like a tiger in the circus Actually, its not all that bad.

 

[glenn1]

<< Don't believe it! The 30-06 and later the .308 Winchester were replaced for good reason....

I smell a good debate comin! >>




Nah. Those are both better cartridges than 5.56 NATO. A good compromise would have been to have gone with .270 Winchester, but that's how the ball bounces.

I'll agree though, the 9mm Parabellum is a horrible military sidearm cartridge choice.

 

[JohnnyReb]

And its competition in the US inventory at the time was a 5 shot bolt action rifle (I'm not saying the Springfield '03 was crap, but it did lack magazine capacity AND it was bolt action... it worked fine in WWI, but it was outdated by WWII). BTW, I'll bet that the M16 wasnt in production when Patton made that statement. I dont know when he made that statement, but chances are it was prior to the introduction of the M16, or even the M14.

Certainly, the M-14 is better. But much more expensive than the $500 Army price tag on M1's available right now. The Springfield Armory rifle is great, at about $1100. The AR-10 (M-16 on steroids, shooting the .308) is a fine rifle,at around $1500.

The greatest rifle available today is the Steyr Scout, at about $2000. The only rifle a man will ever need.

Steyr Scout

Truly the greatest advance in the rifle since smokeless powder. Sell your car to get one if you have to.

 

[Tominator]

<< Yes. Ammo compatibility with NATO weenies. Trust Europeans to think that shooting a lot is better that destroying what you hit. >>



Nope! The United States designed the .223 Remington from the .222 remington. It was the US that set the standard!

During WWII the amount of ammo a soldier could carry became a logistic nightmare! Resupply at the front was nearly as mportant as the tactics. Although the Garand [and that is what General Patton refered to when he stated it won the war] was an excellant weapon at the time it had a few flaws. The most glaring was the 8 round clip. It could not be reloaded or replenished. A soldier must fire all 8 rounds before he could reload! Imagine that!

So, along comes the M14. It was an 'improved' Garand with a removable magazine. It was very heavy and so was the ammo. It fired full auto and in that mode could not 'hit the broad side of a barn' due to recoil!

After WWII the Army did a study on casualties in battle. One glaring result came forth. The more metal in the air, the more chance of hitting something! DUH!

Also they found that rarely was an enemy engaged at more that 300 yards. The .223 Remington met all the requirements.....still does!

After Vietnam the .223 was even designed to be LESS LETHAL! If you only wound, the enemy must use at least two soldiers to remove every wounded soldier.

The only reason the Navy uses the M14 is that it is considerted Army Surplus! That is, it's CHEAP! It is also the ONLY battle rifle in the world NEVER to be used extensively in combat...

Read "Shots Fired in Anger" by LT. Col. John George.....He outlines the pluses and negatives of the 30-06 in combat. He even carried a Japanese bolt action carbine in combat! Quite a read!

 

[Mookow]

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<< Don't believe it! The 30-06 and later the .308 Winchester were replaced for good reason....

I smell a good debate comin! >>




Nah. Those are both better cartridges than 5.56 NATO. A good compromise would have been to have gone with .270 Winchester, but that's how the ball bounces.

I'll agree though, the 9mm Parabellum is a horrible military sidearm cartridge choice. >>



Yeah, the 5.56mm could use a little more stopping power, to say the least. Its still a capable cartridge, but its not the best out there. The 9mm is a great pistol cartridge... for me to poop on, that is. It has almost always been a Charlie Foxtrot when politic leaders make military decisions...

 

[Mookow]

<< So, along comes the M14. It was an 'improved' Garand with a removable magazine. It was very heavy and so was the ammo. It fired full auto and in that mode could not 'hit the broad side of a barn' due to recoil! >>



The M14 never had the legendary status for recoil that the Thompson enjoyed. I've never fired them both on full auto, so I cant personally comment. In any event, the trick to staying on target with a full auto weapon is to control the trigger.