Help with home setup

djkball

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OK I though it knew a lot of about AV stuff but I get very confused when I start looking at it all. So let me describe my items and hopefully I can get some people to suggest if they should be replaced or how to configure.



1. 50inch Samsung plasma T.V (768i)
2. TivoHD
3. WII & PS2 & Xbox
4. BlueRay player
5. JBL subwoofer (PB10?)
6. JBL surround sound speakers ( 4 sat & 1 center channel)
7. Sony DEC 875 Receiver ( No HDMI)


I was though I would need to purchase a new receiver that had 2 HDMI inputs ( for tivo & blueray). Maybe also new surround sound speakers. But I would like to hear everyone?s idea of what I should do. Would like to not spend more money then I have to.

thanks
 
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from the sounds of it you seem to be lacking enough HDMI inputs, and if thats the case have you looked at a HDMI switch?
 

pennylane

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How many HDMI inputs does your TV have? Do you have enough inputs for your Wii/PS2/Xbox? What blu-ray player do you have?

If you have enough HDMI inputs on your TV (Tivo and blu-ray) and you don't need other inputs for your other game consoles, then the only benefit of getting an HDMI receiver is for higher-resolution surround sound audio (PCM, Dolby TrueHD, DD+) from your blu-ray player digitally and possibly video signal upscaling. The Tivo won't send anything fancier than a Dolby Digital signal, and your receiver can handle that just fine (somebody correct me if I'm wrong).

Hmm, it appears that your receiver has 5.1 analog inputs. If your blu-ray player has 5.1 analog outputs, you could get higher-res audio from blu-ray with 6 RCA cables from your blu-ray player to your receiver. If your blu-ray player doesn't have multi-channel analog outputs, then the only way to get lossless surround sound audio is through HDMI, and you'd need an HDMI receiver for that.

If you're happy with the Dolby Digital signal you're getting (I assume you're getting dolby digital through either optical or coax), then it may not be worth it to get a new receiver. I'm not sure how nice your speakers are. You may find it's more cost-effective to upgrade your speakers than your receiver. Or you could not upgrade anything at all.

With your set-up, you can get surround sound from your Tivo and your blu-ray player with no problem using optical or coax cables, it just wouldn't be lossless. If you have analog outputs on your blu-ray player, you can get higher res audio without having to get a new receiver.
 

djkball

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Wow...

I have a Panasonic DMP-BD10a blueray player. The speakes are the N24 and N Center. Are these good ? The TV is the HP-T5044X. Also correction on the reciever it is a Sony STR-DE875


I dont understand the statement about getting Dobly Digital with optical or coax. Please explain this to me.

I have spent some money on getting a nice tv , dvd player and upgraded tivo. I would like the sound to great also.

I was told allways to hook all of your A/V items into the receiver then hook the reciver outputs to the TV. Is that the correct method ?






fyi... I did run some wires from the tv to the A/V area. I ran 1 HDMI , 1 S-Video , 1-RCA video , 1-RCA (red/white). These are all hooked up to the tv and jacks in the A/V area.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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That looks like quite an expensive blu-ray player, eh? On the plus side it has 7.1 channel analog output if you need to keep using your current receiver.

Check out my sticky thread if you haven't already, especially the upgrade path part of it if you don't have a big budget to do everything you want to right away.
What's your budget for this upgrade?

For the connection questions... you want to be connecting to your receiver from your sources in the best way possible for those devices.
If you don't have things hooked up the best way or not set up well, things are going to sound bad even if you throw a lot of money at it. Setting things up is very important to getting the most out of your system. (This would tend to be a digital optical or digital coaxial cable from most of the sources you listed for example)

You may or may not end up running sources through the receiver. Since your receiver seems to lack several of the more modern video connections, running through it would not be a good idea for video. You'd probably just want to run video to the TV and audio to the receiver.

If you do have things set up well already and you're not happy with how things are performing, then there is certainly a lot of room to upgrade.

Is there anything in particular that you find lacking with your sound now?

In general I would suggest making sure you have everything set up optimally with your current equipment before moving on, but if you still want to do it... then

Front 3 speakers + subwoofer
(Move current 4 sat JBLs to surround / rear duty)
New receiver
 

pennylane

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I dont understand the statement about getting Dobly Digital with optical or coax. Please explain this to me.

If you have a digital audio cable (coax or optical), you can send a 5.1 channel audio signal through there. 6 separate channels of audio can be sent through just that one cable. For regular DVD's this was all you needed (well not exactly because of DVD-A/SA-CD, but that just complicates things). The 5.1 signals were either dolby digital or dts tracks.

However, dolby digital and dts are low bitrate formats. Think of them as the mp3's of the surround sound world. When Blu-Ray and HD-DVD came out, they allowed for high bit-rate audio formats in your home theater. Dolby has TrueHD and DD+. DTS has DTS HD-MA. These formats are still "compressed," but they are lossless, much like FLAC is compressed but lossless in 2-channel audio. There is also uncompressed 7.1 PCM (you may have seen it in blu-ray commercials). Uncompressed PCM is basically the surround sound version of an audio CD. The gist of all that is, you need HDMI to send these lossless formats digitally.

Of course, you can send any kind of format, lossless or lossy, with multi-channel analog cables. Only one channel is sent per cable, so you need 6 RCA cables for 5.1, 8 for 7.1. But you don't need an HDMI receiver this way to get lossless audio.

I was told allways to hook all of your A/V items into the receiver then hook the reciver outputs to the TV. Is that the correct method ?

For video you can just hook up your cables (HDMI, component, composite, etc.) straight into the TV. The only reason you may want to send it to a receiver first is so you only send one cable to the TV or if your receiver upscales the signal. However, there's absolutely nothing wrong withhooking up video straight from your equipment to your TV. Your current receiver doesn't have HDMI or component video, so I'd definitely just bypass it for video.

BTW, in case you were wondering, the hierarchy of video cables goes:
composite < s-video < component <= HDMI.
Of those 4, only component and HDMI can send HD signals. I use nothing worse than component.

For audio, definitely hook up your A/V equipment to your receiver and from there into your TV. You only would want to hook up the receiver to the TV if you don't use your speaker system all the time. I myself don't hook up any audio equipment to the TV because whenever the TV is on, the receiver and speakers are on.

fyi... I did run some wires from the tv to the A/V area. I ran 1 HDMI , 1 S-Video , 1-RCA video , 1-RCA (red/white). These are all hooked up to the tv and jacks in the A/V area.

That may or may not be necessary depending on how you want to set things up. I don't know how many HDMI and component video inputs your TV has. But here's what I'd try to do...

For video
Tivo -> HDMI -> TV
Blu-Ray -> HDMI -> TV
Wii -> Wii Component -> TV
PS2 -> composite/s-video/component (if possible) -> TV
Xbox -> xbox component (if possible) -> TV

The Wii will benefit from component. You should get it. It's cheap anyway.

For audio
Tivo -> optical/coax -> receiver
Blu-Ray -> 3x RCA pairs -> receiver (use the analog outputs of your blu-ray player and analog inputs of your receiver)
Wii -> RCA -> receiver (Definitely take advantage of the Pro Logic II that your receiver has though)
PS2 -> RCA -> receiver (PS2 can also use Dolby Pro Logic II)
Xbox -> optical (if possible) -> receiver

I hope that makes sense...

I definitely recommend YOyoYOhowsDAjello's recommendation on making sure everything is set up correctly before you upgrade any of your components. (and if you do upgrade, I think speakers should be upgraded first, but one step at a time)
 

djkball

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ok iam starting to really understand things alot more now.

The next question i have is what is max length for the cables ?


You also made mention that i should look at maybe upgrading my speakers. From some stuff i have read today/yesterday. They say i should have the 4 sat. surround speakers + 1 center. Then also have 2 different front speakers. Is this true ? What should i be looking at for the front ?
 

djkball

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also all of the items are about 8 feet away from the tv. What is the best way to extend the WII/Xbox/PS2 cables?
 

pennylane

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If you wanted to replace your speakers and then move your current speakers into "surround" positions, you'd need a 7.1 receiver (right now you have 5 speakers, if you added 2 more you'd end up with 7). You need a big room to experience the benefits of 7.1 over 5.1, specifically, space behind your primary listening ground. How are your speakers laid out? I'd check out YoyoYOhowsDAjello's general home audio thread for a primer on speaker location. But to be honest, I'd worry about that later.

Generally the shorter cables you can get, the better. But you shouldn't have any issues with 10-12-feet cables. For longer runs, it may be safer to get thicker cables (a lower gauge), but I'm not sure if that's necessary for 12 feet. I just picked 6-feet in my previous post because it seemed like a reasonable length.

For the Wii, you can probably find a longer component cable than the one I linked to. So I'd just use that. For the xbox, I'd get a set of component cables and I'd just try to find a fairly long one (the psyclone cables I have for my xbox are pretty long) that will reach the TV. Almost all xbox games are 480p, so you'd benefit from getting component cables, as composite and s-video can't support 480p. That leaves the PS2. If it reaches the receiver, you could probably just plug the PS2 into the receiver and the receiver into the TV. Otherwise you may have to attach another cable to just increase the length, but I'd try to avoid that (just because it complicates things).

I think the multi-channel analog inputs (3x RCA for audio) is in the bottom left corner of that picture, where it says "multi-ch in."
 
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Originally posted by: fanerman91
For video
Tivo -> HDMI -> TV
Blu-Ray -> HDMI -> TV
Wii -> Wii Component -> TV
PS2 -> composite/s-video/component (if possible) -> TV
Xbox -> xbox component (if possible) -> TV

The Wii will benefit from component. You should get it. It's cheap anyway.

For audio
Tivo -> optical/coax -> receiver
Blu-Ray -> 3x RCA pairs -> receiver (use the analog outputs of your blu-ray player and analog inputs of your receiver)
Wii -> RCA -> receiver (you could also use an optical cable, but the Wii doesn't send Dolby Digital signals as far as I know. Definitely take advantage of the Pro Logic II that your receiver has though)
PS2 -> RCA -> receiver (PS2 can also use Dolby Pro Logic II)
Xbox -> optical (if possible) -> receiver

very helpful post and relevant to my situation.
 

pennylane

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Actually the Wii doesn't even have an optical output, right? I've never looked closely at one before.

Also BlahBlahYouToo,
Keep in mind that that's what I would do if I kept the same receiver (which I probably would if I were djkball, unless he had the room and budget for a 7.1 system and new speakers, or he just had a huge budget). Your situation may be a little different.
 

djkball

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Thanks alot.


I do have a basement that is split 1/2 media room & 1/2 bar. If i was to look at a 7.1 reciever and speakers . What kind of price range are we talking ?
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: djkball
Thanks alot.


I do have a basement that is split 1/2 media room & 1/2 bar. If i was to look at a 7.1 reciever and speakers . What kind of price range are we talking ?

Receiver - $300 to $5000
Speakers - $400 to $$$$$$$$$$$$

All depends on your budget
 
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