Help with installing cat 5 cable outside

xander5000

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I need to run some cat5 cable along the outside of a building. i was looking at the outdoor rated cable and also considering using conduit with UTP. what do you think is best?

also, what else do i need? do i need a surge protector of some sort? and where would i put it?

i'm new at this. please give me as many details as possible.

thanks
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yoda291

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it depends on the weather in your area. Persistent rain or sandstorms would require some heavy duty cable. I've run plain old cat5 outdoors in temperate weather with little trouble however. you can use basic guards and shielding if you need it to last an excessively long time. Friends of mine have used pvc pipes for external cabling, but they were also very paranoid of people walking up and cutting it.
 

Tiger

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If your going to run CAT 5 outside it needs to be in conduit.

UV from the sun will deteriorate regular UTP in a heartbeat.
I don't know how expensive outdoor rated CAT 5 is but it's gotta be more than UTP and plastic conduit.

 

Fugifighter

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Just wondering, wont thunderstorms cause a problem with the data traveling thru the cable outside of the building???

Fugi
 

ScottMac

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Running UTP outdoors is a bad idea.

If you have absolutely no other option, then it should be in large diameter (2" or bigger) conduit (grounded according to code), with entry protection on both ends (basically gas poppers for surge/static/pulse suppression).

There's been a number of posts on this in the past, do a search with "ScottMac" as the author...there's a post from a couple months ago with Avaya part numbers for outdoor-rated cable, and entrace protection.

Don't mess with Darwin, he always wins.....

Good Luck

Scott
 

spyordie007

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I've had a UTP Cat. 5 connection between a client's house and shop/office (next door) that has worked well for some time. Leaving the cable out to the elements is not a good idea and they wanted a cheap solution so I had them dig a ditch between the buildings and we pushed the cable through a PVC pipe and burried it. Has been running like that for almost a year and a half now without any problems.

-Spy
 

Lt1

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If it was me... and I knew it had to be run outside (best fix for now), I would buy a roll, box, or spool of the same stuff that the phone co. uses to supply residential isdn service. I'm sure its UV compliant and will probably out-last you.
Cat 5 or better. Just make sure you get the good 200-350 mhz rating if your run will be longer than 300 ft ~ 100 meters.

Lt1
 

ScottMac

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Running UTP between two locations (like, separate buildings) is extremely hazardous. The ground potential between the buildings/locations can be radically different, the power feeds could be radically different. Difference = potential, potential = voltage.

It's a bad idea any way you slice it. Fiber or wireless is a much better, safer, solution.

There's a good chance you're violating local electrical code as well, if an inspector were to find your setup, you may be liable for a potentially hefty fine (note: soft language due to the wide variety of local code restrictions: more often than not, you end up getting whacked, one way or the other).

Under no circumstances should UTP exit the building without some sort of entry protection, no sh!t, it's dangerous. It should be in properly grounded (large diameter) metal conduit.

Certainly, it's your life, your property, your equipment; you can do it any way you want. If someone catches a charge that sends 'em halfway to Timbuktu, or the building or equipment smokes.....don't shug and claim you didn't know better....step right up to the plate and tell 'em you heard it was dangerous, but decided to ignore the warning.

and, BTW, your insurance company may decide not to cover the losses, since you installed out-of-spec, non-code, unapproved wiring...causing the loss. They are not obligated (in most cases) to pay losses caused by negligent (or illegal) acts.

Jus' so ya know.....


FWIW

Scott
 

Rhi

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...

You're telling me that if someone runs some CAT5 from one room to another, on the outside of a wall, (like the telephone company runs their phones wires), rather than along some cove base...that they could cause a fire,shock someone, break building codes, etc?!

-Rhi
 

Bleep

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Is this in a business or home? Is it just for a home LAN? If it just for a home lan I would use a 10 base T and Coax.
Bleep
 

ScottMac

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When the phone company brings a line into your house, it goes through an entry protection device, either (old style) a termination connected to a couple black sticks, usually in the basement, or (new style) in the NID (the grey box on the side of the house ).

All connections originate from this device (by code, I believe). If they the phone company daisy-chained a connection from one biscuit/keystone, to the outside, back to another phone or biiscuit/keystone..and some got whacked, the phone company would be liable (and you know how much they hate that). If this is not the case at your house, call the phone company, call for a repair, it's a dangerous situation.

FWIW

Scott
 
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