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classy

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My final bit of advice, get a full mortage, based on what you can pay and the terms you want. This way when you pick the next agent they can concentrate on getting you in a house that will fit your situation. You'll really be the drivers seat then. Its longer, much longer process, but you will be completely set. All you'll need is an address and fill in the blanks. Getting a full mortage will take out any guess work.
 

OCGuy

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Your post sounds good, but its total bs. You don't know the type of houses he has been looking at? You don't know the neighborhoods he has been looking in either? Firsttime buyers are special, even more so. Rates are dirt cheap, but the banks are more stringent now than ever before. No offense, but if you assume because she suggested a variable rate without knowing any particulars concerning the op, that makes her giving bad advice, you don't know jack about real estate.

Wow..just...wow. I don't even know what to say to this.


I will just say that under no circumstances do you ever HAVE to get an ARM over a fixed.

I dont need to know the "neighborhoods" he has been looking in. I underwrite and process Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and FHA home loans. They together own 9 out of 10 loans that are funded in this country.

The guidelines are standard nationally.

You are picking a fight with the wrong person when it comes to real estate financing.

The only reason people used to get ARMs over Fixed is because they could qualify using the lower ARM rate. But they are clamping down on this, making us qualify borrowers at 2% over the start rate on ARMs.
 

classy

Lifer
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Wow..just...wow. I don't even know what to say to this.


I will just say that under no circumstances do you ever HAVE to get an ARM over a fixed.

I dont need to know the "neighborhoods" he has been looking in. I underwrite and process Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and FHA home loans. They together own 9 out of 10 loans that are funded in this country.

The guidelines are standard nationally.

You are picking a fight with the wrong person when it comes to real estate financing.

I seriously seriously question if you underwrite. If he is looking at a house for 200K lets say, based on his financial picture a bank won't approve the loan with a higher fixed rate. But will approve the loan with a lower ARM. That is a fact. Also Fannie and Freddy own many loans, but they don't process and approve the loans. Many of the loans Fannie and Freddie own are bought as bundles on the secondary mortage market. Seriously dude, if you do underwrite loans I question your qualifications. Neighborhoods also seriously matter as well. When that appraisal report comes back it damn sure gets compared to homes in that neighborhood and banks take note of that info.

Again if you do underwrite, I highly question your posts here. Now you may say based on the market rates as of today at these levels, its certainly questionable as to the suggestion of an ARM. But as I have stated multiple times without any financial info from a bank about the OP, no agent can give completely accurate advice.
 

amdhunter

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I am a licensed agent and have closed several deals. First, rather than running off half cocked, you should have just ask her why she would suggest a variable rate. Is she assuming a financial picture based on conversation with you? Are you looking at properties that she may assume may be too expensive for you based on down payment maybe? There could be lots of reasons, thats why you should ask questions. As for financial info on getting pre-approved, she is 100% correct and she shouldn't waste her time without you getting approved. That is for buyers and can cost you a house.

If you and another person see the same house and they are pre-approved and you are not, a seller won't waste his time with you, even if you offer more money. I would suggest getting a full approval so you know exactly to the letter how much you need down and how much you can spend. That puts you in the drivers seat.

Also agents talk all the time, be careful jumping from agent to agent, they can refuse to help you. Agents work under ethics and very few will jeopordize one's license by violating them. They work together many times. Any deal done profits all people involved. Outside of you not getting some clarification of her variable rate comments, from what you have posted, she sounds like she is pointing you in the correct direction.

I find it unbelievable that I need a variable rate. I make decent coin, and the places I am looking at are ~$120-150k. I didn't speak to her in detail, and I am imagining her thinking I am broke since I don't have that "guy who actually has some money" appearance. She seems disinterested in me.

I am not looking at anything expensive (at least for NYC) at all, I have excellent credit, decent coin in the bank (I want to put at least a third of the payment down) and only one debt (my car.)
 

classy

Lifer
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I find it unbelievable that I need a variable rate. I make decent coin, and the places I am looking at are ~$120-150k. I didn't speak to her in detail, and I am imagining her thinking I am broke since I don't have that "guy who actually has some money" appearance. She seems disinterested in me.

I am not looking at anything expensive (at least for NYC) at all, I have excellent credit, decent coin in the bank (I want to put at least a third of the payment down) and only one debt (my car.)


I did not say you need a variable rate. But as I stated before I knew there had to be a reason for her suggestion. You have shared no info with her and you dressed sloppy like you were broke. So I guess she figured, hell this guy is probably going to need an ARM. So in the end who is at fault, the agent or you? And further more, never go house shopping looking like some bum. Some sellers may not like your appearance and won't sell to you. Clean your self up. Does she have to dress you to?
 
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classy

Lifer
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Hey look, amdhunter you are cool by me, but in all honesty, I think you may jumped to conclusions to fast. But get another agent ain't nothing wrong with that, but definately do more to work with the next agent. There are some great deals out there, but you still have do some work.
 

Capt Caveman

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I seriously seriously question if you underwrite. If he is looking at a house for 200K lets say, based on his financial picture a bank won't approve the loan with a higher fixed rate. But will approve the loan with a lower ARM. That is a fact. Also Fannie and Freddy own many loans, but they don't process and approve the loans. Many of the loans Fannie and Freddie own are bought as bundles on the secondary mortage market. Seriously dude, if you do underwrite loans I question your qualifications. Neighborhoods also seriously matter as well. When that appraisal report comes back it damn sure gets compared to homes in that neighborhood and banks take note of that info.

Again if you do underwrite, I highly question your posts here. Now you may say based on the market rates as of today at these levels, its certainly questionable as to the suggestion of an ARM. But as I have stated multiple times without any financial info from a bank about the OP, no agent can give completely accurate advice.

/facepalm
 

OCGuy

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This is like someone who was a janitor at H&R Block thinking he knows more than a CPA.

I'm not even going to respond to him anymore. It has to either be trolling or a low IQ.

He knows absolutely nothing about RE financing, so just beware.
 

Red Squirrel

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Sounds like BS to me. Don't settle for variable, and go to a bank, since the realtor does not really have anything to do with the mortgage, the bank does. You can probably get a decent rate if you go with the bank you've been dealing with for the longest. I managed to score 3.75% a few years ago for my first house which was considered below average at the time.
 

classy

Lifer
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This is like someone who was a janitor at H&R Block thinking he knows more than a CPA.

I'm not even going to respond to him anymore. It has to either be trolling or a low IQ.

Really, you are wrong dude. I worked as an agent. I have worked with Wells Fargo, Chase, GMAC, and even one deal when Countrywide was around. I have even closed a couple of 1041 deals as well. I am not a mortage guy, but for you state what you did about ARMs and a couple of other things makes me question you.

http://www.realtor.com/home-finance/mortgages/compare-fixed-and-adjustable-mortgage.aspx

http://hnn.us/articles/1849.html

http://www.nahb.org/generic.aspx?sectionID=123&genericContentID=308

You may be a CPA, but CPAs can be wrong too.
 

Vic Vega

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The first person on my ignore list......congrats.

He's been on mine for months. I got tired of reading his hate speech some time ago. It's unfortunate when people quote him, thats the only time I see his crazy posts.
 

OCGuy

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He's been on mine for months. I got tired of reading his hate speech some time ago. It's unfortunate when people quote him, thats the only time I see his crazy posts.

Yea he is a well-knows racist on the forums, I should have just done it before.
 

dabuddha

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For a long term mortgage, why would anyone ever pick an ARM over a fixed rate mortgage? Isn't that how so many people fucked themselves over?
 

classy

Lifer
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The first person on my ignore list......congrats.

Man that is so childish. Grow up.................................

I didn't think the agent was flatout bad based on suggesting getting an ARM. You and many others who sold Real Estate thought different. I gave good reasons why she may have done such a thing. People here are so quick after one or two sentences to run off with some judgement about somebody.

The OP has to help his agent, if he wants the agent to do the best job they can.
 

dabuddha

Lifer
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Man that is so childish. Grow up.................................

I didn't think the agent was flatout bad based on suggesting getting an ARM. You and many others who sold Real Estate thought different. I gave good reasons why she may have done such a thing. People here are so quick after one or two sentences to run off with some judgement about somebody.

The OP has to help his agent, if he wants the agent to do the best job they can.

You accuse others about assuming shit they don't know while you yourself are assuming that the OP's agent is actually looking out for the OP and not herself.
 

classy

Lifer
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For a long term mortgage, why would anyone ever pick an ARM over a fixed rate mortgage? Isn't that how so many people fucked themselves over?

Yes, but as I am trying to explain to folks, based on what the OP states, the agent more than likely assumed he may need to go this route to buy the kind of homes he is looking at. But she asked the guy to go and get a pre-approval which would have clarified things for her and him. Everyone jumped on the woman's suggestion as being incompetent, without stopping for a one second to think some other things through.
 

classy

Lifer
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You accuse others about assuming shit they don't know while you yourself are assuming that the OP's agent is actually looking out for the OP and not herself.

I never said that. What I said was, there was nothing the woman suggested that I read that would lead me to say she is wrong. I have stated that giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, I assume, me just me, that she had a reason or two why she made that suggestion. And even the OP stated she wanted him to go to see a mortage person. But if the picture I get from his post is accurate, having done this, she probably assumed he was broke. The problem with that is, the OP did nothing to change that perception either.
 

amdhunter

Lifer
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I did not say you need a variable rate. But as I stated before I knew there had to be a reason for her suggestion. You have shared no info with her and you dressed sloppy like you were broke. So I guess she figured, hell this guy is probably going to need an ARM. So in the end who is at fault, the agent or you? And further more, never go house shopping looking like some bum. Some sellers may not like your appearance and won't sell to you. Clean your self up. Does she have to dress you to?

No, I don't look like a bum at all. I don't want people who's homes I go to to think I am homeless lol. I just don't have that "preppy" clean cut look. It's hard for me to look good by nature - nothing I can do about it.

It's always the same when I go to car dealerships. No one gives me a second look until they run my name, or check my credit - then they are all on their knees with mouths wide open for me.

Also, back on topic - she has NO idea about my financials. I am very tight when it comes to letting people run checks on me. I explained to her how many successful car loans I had, and how decent my debt - credit ratio is, and she said I should look into a variable rate. I told her I didn't want a variable, and she insisted that, as a first time buyer, it was unavoidable. This is what threw my BS meter off on her.

She made assumptions without knowing anything. Plus, the shadiness of "checking" other places being sold by other realtors (telling me they weren't available, when they are actually available.)
 

Vic Vega

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The only thing I need a realtor for these days is actually getting me in the house. You can find homes via realtor.com and don't need anyone to search in your behalf, IMO.
 

classy

Lifer
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No, I don't look like a bum at all. I don't want people who's homes I go to to think I am homeless lol. I just don't have that "preppy" clean cut look. It's hard for me to look good by nature - nothing I can do about it.

It's always the same when I go to car dealerships. No one gives me a second look until they run my name, or check my credit - then they are all on their knees with mouths wide open for me.

Also, back on topic - she has NO idea about my financials. I am very tight when it comes to letting people run checks on me. I explained to her how many successful car loans I had, and how decent my debt - credit ratio is, and she said I should look into a variable rate. I told her I didn't want a variable, and she insisted that, as a first time buyer, it was unavoidable. This is what threw my BS meter off on her.

She made assumptions without knowing anything. Plus, the shadiness of "checking" other places being sold by other realtors (telling me they weren't available, when they are actually available.)

Well, lol, as for the way you look, that sounds better. You made it sound like, lol, you went looking like a bum. As for financials, you don't have to share anything with her, but as your agent, she has to know you can get a mortage. Trust me, I will tell you this, you would be shocked how many times she has heard the "I got good credit" line. Thats why I am saying you need to prove out your financials through a bank. As for her assumptions, hate to say it, but thats on you. You have to clarify the picture for her or any agent.

You get to the bank and get that letter to give to your agent, thats all they need.

On the shadiness of not wanting to show homes of other realtors, that unfortunately is true, of them all. Now I will admit this, from afar, it did appear to me Re-Max was guilty of this more than other agencies. But also keep in mind, she can see when a property is available even when many times people who are not agents think the property is available.

When you go into the system you see if its pending or an offer is on the table. You can't see the particulars, but you see if something is happening with the house.

But if you don't like her, just dump her. All I am trying to help you with is be careful rushing to judgement. I have seen a few people dump good agents over similar things and end up with agents I know sucked.

Your agent has no power at all over your mortage stuff. All they can do is offer limited advice. I don't know your state, but most even have it in their ethics not to give mortage advice. A lot of brokers will come down hard on agents who do that.
 
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