Help with strange router/cable modem issue - SECV

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Hi there,

Problem with my Internet cable service is a little confusing. Here's the setup:

Service Electric cable Internet in the Lehigh Valley, PA, 7 megabits down and 2 up (not great, I know, but that's not the problem). Cable modem is a Surfboard 5101. Connected to an SMC SWCWGRB14-N 'Barricade' wireless N router:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-184-_-Product

Every so often, as frequently as once an hour and as rare as once every 48 hours, all the clients will just lose the WAN link, but in doing so, also (somehow) screw up the connection between the clients and the SMC router. Win7 clients report 'connected without internet access' when this happens, but all the cable modem lights remain on and the client can't even connect to the wireless router.

I would've thought this was simply a bad router, but I swapped it out with a Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 and have exactly the same problem. When the link is up and running, I get 2-5% packet loss pinging www.wsj.com over 6000 pings.

SECV cable guy came out to test the line, which is in a new construction (first occupant of a just-finished apartment in a building about 1.5 years old). Verified that the signal was fine but got the same rate of packet loss due to an over-subscribed 'head end' in our area.

I understand a congested node, but it seems to me that that should just be causing a slow-down rather than actual packet loss; and even then, why would a low (but consistent) rate of packet loss interfere with a connection between the clients and and the wireless router? The logs in the wireless router are full of things like this:

[INFO] Thu May 13 16:50:49 2010 Blocked incoming TCP packet from 83.170.92.31:45446 to 70.15.x.x (cable modem IP):21 as PSH:ACK received but there is no active connection

The cable company is the only one in the area (3 megabit Verizon DSL is the only alternative) and they want to work with me to solve it, though I haven't barked far enough up the tree yet to figure out when they'll be upgrading the equipment at the local head-end; if I had a clear understanding of what was happening such that I could claim righteous indignation that 'things are that bad' then it would certainly help.

In the meantime, I've ordered an SB6120 Docsis3 modem from Newegg on the off chance that the problem is in the modem they've given me. The only other thing I can think of to do is to buy a dual-WAN router and pick up Verizon DSL as backup, but that isn't really a solution. What else can be done? What would YOU do?

Thanks so much,
S
 

Emulex

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go back to docsis 2
go back to docsis 2
go back to docsis 2
go back to docsis 2

problem solved
 
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The modem I've been using (the one they gave me) is an SB5101, which is a Docsis2 modem.

The SB6120 (which isn't in the picture yet) is listed as backwards-compatible. What has that got to do with anything?
 

Emulex

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docsis 3 is nasty less stable than d2 - D3 uses 4 channels bonded - if one or two channels los then the modem has to retrain all 4 channels (and we're not even talking upstream yet) - this takes alot more (think 4 times longer) than a D2 modem with a single stream.

fwiw i get 42meg down and 5-6 meg up with d2 modem. i think i got 49 meg down and 5-6 up with the d3 modem.

but i had about 40 retrains a day - lasting about 1 minute each.

i might have 40 retrains a day with the d2 modem but they are so short i only see about 20 packets lost a day versus 3%

It's not signal either - both D2 and D3 had the same signal - i think its a buggy headend.

Just saying if you telework (vpn/rdp) you will be hating life when you go D3.

like 802.11N faster is not better if its not just as stable as 802.11g


the old smc router were good the D2 smc gateway that could do static ip - the new big black D3 one was nasty hot and unstable.

you know you can get root on smc gateways go to the ping command (http://10.1.10.1) then login and under ping put like m.asdf.com | whoami

root
 
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Well, I had D3 via Cablevision in NYC for 2 years (100 down/20 up) and was without service for about 1 hour that whole time. Point taken though. At this point I'm ready to try anything.
 
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