Here come the Mexicans!!

[Hammer]

I don't like the idea of armed foreign troops entering our borders esp. if they are taking shots are US border patrol agents. "shooting on site" as a few people have called for is ridiculous. Don't forget that we have been at peace and maintained good relations with Mexico for a very long time. It's very nice having a friendly country on our border.

I think we should start be clearly marking the border so that there are now more excsuses. That shouldn't cost too much. And those of you that want to put troops on the border, that is such a waste of manpower. The border is huge. Lets just mark the border better, create a rapid response team for the BP that is better armed, and modify the rules of engagement so that they can fire back if fired upon (because it sounds like they can't).

 

[jjones]

As usual, most of you people are talking out of your ass. How about the Mexicans shoot to kill any Americans involved in illegal border crossings. The article doesn't state how many times American border patrols crossed into Mexican territory, or how many times Americans have been involved in the illegal drug trade or illegal crossings. It goes both ways.

I do agree that the U.S. Border patrol should be more heavily armed when their counter-parts across the border are carrying automatic weapons and they are only carrying handguns. I also agree that incidents should be handled in a more severe way; holding and then releasing is just not good enough but there's corruption on both sides of the border, not just the Mexican side.

And it makes me laugh how some of you people disparage Mexican politicians and officials about corruption when almost every day I can find something in the news about the corrupt and criminal activities of American politicians and officials. Pull your heads out.

 

[Jimbo]

And it makes me laugh how some of you people disparage Mexican politicians and officials about corruption when almost every day I can find something in the news about the corrupt and criminal activities of American politicians and officials. Pull your heads out.

Wow Jones, you are the fool. Everything is just degrees of Grey to you. The current state of Mexico's poverty is directly a product of their government, and I will also say their society's, proclivity to corruption. Bad government has a price.

 

[DaiShan]

Ok, they claim that they couldn't tell if they were on our soil because of poorly marked border? Let me solve that for you, mark the border, as soon as one of those mexicans crosses onto sovereign US soil, we kill them, simple as that we take it as a hostile invasion and we kill them, The United States has nor ever will accept foreign troops on our soil. Period. I don't care if they are trying to stop drugs, keep them at least 1/2 a mile back at all times.

 

[Red Dawn]

American kids are *diots.

No doubt, but it's our generations fault for being such lousy parents and spoiling them.

The solution regarding the illegals isn't going after them but going after those who employ them. Make employing an Illegal a Federal Offence punishable by actual time in prison and you'll see the flood oif illegals turn into a trickle.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Jimbo

And it makes me laugh how some of you people disparage Mexican politicians and officials about corruption when almost every day I can find something in the news about the corrupt and criminal activities of American politicians and officials. Pull your heads out.

Wow Jones, you are the fool. Everything is just degrees of Grey to you. The current state of Mexico's poverty is directly a product of their government, and I will also say their society's, proclivity to corruption. Bad government has a price.

Yeah, Jimbo, I'm the fool while you can go ahead and defend American political corruption. I live in Mexico; mostly because I don't like the intrusion of the U.S. government on my lifestyle and all the PC wimps making new laws every day to further restrict my rights. The difference is Mexico, from an American point of view, has a 1930's type of corruption while the U.S. has the most recent style of corruption. I'll take the 30's style of corruption because at least I know it's straightforward and I can buy my way out of anything.

And I'm not saying Mexican government is great, far from it, but you might want to take a deeper look into U.S. government, or quit disregarding its abuses and proclivity to corruption, when comparing it to other countries governments.

 

[virusag11]

NAFTA is Bull$h!t all together.

It is wrong for the mexican military to protect drug dealers and coyotes from crossing the border, no and if or buts. When my ancestors immigrated to this country it was LEGAL. Immigration was encouraged at the time, but now it is not, the flood gates have been shut and now it is necessary for people to go through the proper contacts to come into this country.

I am not blaming illegal immigrants for what they do because quite frankly I would do the same damn thing. The people responsible for this are TNCs and Corporations that are trying to lower their operating cost by using cheap labor, preventing the formation of unions, and avoiding any benefits that americans would demand. They only encourage migration by providing jobs for them and even advertising in their country through boosters to come to america and you can get a minimum wage job. Hell corporate america would love to eliminate wage requirements in the states, but have failed so far. So what do they do? Open up a maquilladora (sp) on the mexican border and exploit illigal mexican workers.

 

[wQuay]

Illegal immigration is corporate welfare.

 

[308nato]

Originally posted by: Jimbo
There is a real quick fix for the corrupt Mexican Federalies. Start pairing up the Border Patrol officers with TOW missile crews following in a Humvee.
After we send back some scumbags looking like over-smoked beef jerky, I'm sure the problem will cease.

That is precisely the type of diplomacy needed here.

 

[Dually]

California and Arizona and Texas belong to Mexico anyway.

 

[shiner]

Shinerburke, you win the Troll award.

And you win the dumbass award. How exactly am I a troll because I want to defend our borders?

 

[OrByte]

I dont even know why I am responding to this thread, I got out of the flame wars a long time ago...

and on occasion I agree with Red Dawn, for this topic I agree once again. Take away the employment opportunities and the influx of immigrants will cease. However, what do you think the farming industry in the border states will have to say about that? not to mention all the other industries that are currently reliant on immigrants to do the low-wage back breaking work that us lazy americans dont want to do (My own personal solution to this problem was to employ our convicts out in the fields but thats another thread).

BTW- shinerburke you win the troll award because you and others like you seek to end this issue with guns and violence. I don't think you comprehend the politics involved with the two countries. Military action between the US and Mexico is a dumb idea plain and simple. The two countries must learn to share this part of the world, whether YOU like it or not, is of little consequence. You cant shoot to kill people crossing the border, I think our federal government sees and understands that, your homework assignement for today is to sit down in a comfortable chair and really concentrate and think on why that is.

BTW I am hispanic, my father was one of those border people you so heroically and patriotically wish to shoot and kill. I have yet to see anyone with similar background speak up in this thread. oh well.

 

[308nato]

Originally posted by: OrByte
I dont even know why I am responding to this thread, I got out of the flame wars a long time ago...

and on occasion I agree with Red Dawn, for this topic I agree once again. Take away the employment opportunities and the influx of immigrants will cease. However, what do you think the farming industry in the border states will have to say about that? not to mention all the other industries that are currently reliant on immigrants to do the low-wage back breaking work that us lazy americans dont want to do (My own personal solution to this problem was to employ our convicts out in the fields but thats another thread).

BTW- shinerburke you win the troll award because you and others like you seek to end this issue with guns and violence. I don't think you comprehend the politics involved with the two countries. Military action between the US and Mexico is a dumb idea plain and simple. The two countries must learn to share this part of the world, whether YOU like it or not, is of little consequence. You cant shoot to kill people crossing the border, I think our federal government sees and understands that, your homework assignement for today is to sit down in a comfortable chair and really concentrate and think on why that is.

BTW I am hispanic, my father was one of those border people you so heroically and patriotically wish to shoot and kill. I have yet to see anyone with similar background speak up in this thread. oh well.

Your dad was In the Mexican military and shot at border guards while smuggling drugs? 'Cause thats who we are talking about here.

 

[geekender]

We should send them back home each with a spiffy new handheld GPS to prevent further confusion.....

 

[drewshin]

OHMY GOD THE MEXICANS ARE COMING TO TAKE OVER!!! WHAT A LOAD OF BS AND TROLL-HUMPING HEMMOROIDAL FLAMING PILE OF CRAP THIS IS. PLEASE, SHINERBURKE, I"LL GET THAT HIGHLIGHTS SUBSCRIPTION YOU WANTED...MAYBE YOU CAN LEARN A THING FROM GOOFUS AND GALLANT.

this seems very minor to me. just be thankful we don't live in india or pakistan where you have REAL border disputes.
or on cyprus, too for that matter.

 

[djheater]

OK... why would you name your kid Rocky?... ESPECIALLY if your last name is Stone!?!?

"Some of it is also inadvertent crossing," said Rocky Stone, special projects coordinator for the Arizona High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area.

 

[shiner]

BTW- shinerburke you win the troll award because you and others like you seek to end this issue with guns and violence. I don't think you comprehend the politics involved with the two countries. Military action between the US and Mexico is a dumb idea plain and simple.

Try reading the article dumbass. It has nothing to do with illegals crossing the border. It's about the Mexican Army coming across and shooting at our border guards. If you don't bother to read the article why bother posting? Unless of course you just enjoy making an ass of yourself.

The above goes for you as well drewshin

 

[pyonir]

we could almost claim the Skoorb effect with this thread.

 

[UltraQuiet]

drewshin & OrByte- tell us what is your solution for dealing with, now pay close attention, Mexican soldiers and police crossing the border and shooting at our border patrol ? If you read carefully you'll notice that the words "illegal immigrants" never appeared in the question.

 

[saftey]

Dually
you are truly a idiot saying thoose states belong to mexico.war and conquering is all part of government establishment especially for a country that wasnt even established for thousands of years like china or japan.Besides were making better use of it anyways id like to hear all the technological advancements in science and technology mexico made.

 

[OrByte]

must.....resist....responding......to trolls.......arrgh I cant!!

OK smart guys, I did read the article before I posted:

308nato I refuse to reply to you because well, basically your comment was dumb.

shinerburke nice response, it was kind of what I expected. YOU are the one who brought up shooting people on site, which is what I was responding to. Next time I will make myself more clear. Yeah sure mexican military cross the border, have you even seen the mexican border? you know in some places in Texas it is nothing but a broken chain link fence and in the deserts and moutains there is nothing. Are you assuming that US border patrol doesnt cross the border in pursuit of criminals, drug traffickers etc? are they not ARMED POLICE entering on a foreign country without jursidiction too? Are you naive to think that our own border patrol isnt tainted by the enormous amount of drug money in the area? yes I read the article, but the article didnt alarm me as much as your comment regarding "shooting to kill" but enough about you....I think I got the troll feeding out of my system now.

DaveSohmer
solution: the US and mexican governments need to build up the border with whatever they feel is necessary to stop drugs from coming into this country, whether its more patrols, redefine/build the borders, national guard, whatever. Shooting people crossing the border isnt the answer, as much as shinerburke would like to think so. Thanks for the appropriate response Dave.

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: OrBytesolution: the US and mexican governments need to build up the border with whatever they feel is necessary to stop drugs from coming into this country, whether its more patrols, redefine/build the borders, national guard, whatever. Shooting people crossing the border isnt the answer, as much as shinerburke would like to think so. Thanks for the appropriate response Dave.

i agree. this is what i have always said in these threads. building better boarders is step number one and that should solve a majority of the problems.

 

[shiner]

YOU are the one who brought up shooting people on site, which is what I was responding to. Next time I will make myself more clear.

So you have a problem with shooting at an armed force that is crossing our border and attacking our border patrol? Nice world you live in. Why don't we just give them all free passes to come and harass our people as they please. Damn right we should shoot at them, teach them a lesson. They have no qualms about firing at our guys so why should we have any about doing the same to theirs. Would you feel the same if this weren't Mexican whom you share a heritage with? Assuming that we shared a border with Iraq, would you still feel that we shouldn't respond with force?

Yeah sure mexican military cross the border, have you even seen the mexican border?

Yes I have and it's a joke. It needs to be built up and defended, thus my opinion that the Army needs to be posted along it.

Are there some in our Border Patrol that are corrupt? Most likely so. When was the last time you heard of them crossing into Mexico and taking shots at their Mexican equivalent?

Call me a troll if you want but I'm not one of the people who hijacked this thread and tried to turn it into an illegal immigration issue. I honestly doubt you read the article until after I responded to you though. You probably jumped in here, saw the posts about the illegals, didn't bother to read the original article, then proceeded to talk out of your ask.

 

[saftey]

This is reminding me of some KKK forkids thing someone posted.The site had a faq and supposedly some kid asked "why do we have differnt countrys and borders for?"then the reply was if we were all intended to live in the same area and mix or become all of country god would of made us all look the same.nowhites noblack noasians everybody would look exactly the same."What a nice thing to tell a child.Im not accusing anyone of being racsists,this just reminded me of it

 

[OrByte]

Shinerburke, read what you type after you type it, it helps if/when you are attempting to stick your foot in your mouth.

to me shooting people on site is like target practice, you see someone coming over a hill and you shoot to kill. Why take such an approach on the mexican border? you know there are going to be families, kids, grandmas and grandpas in those hills....not all of them are bad, not all of them are drug trafficers. Yet according to what YOU posted you want to "shoot them on site"

Now if a gun fight were to break out between border patrols and mexican infiltrators (mexican army, drug dealers, whatever) I don't see any problem with firing back.....it only makes sense to protect yourself.

Just don't shoot people on site, which is what you said would help solve the problem, is that not what you typed?

Time to really shut down the border with Mexico, put the Army there, and start shooting to kill anyone who comes across.

is that not what you proposed in your original post? Does setting up an army patrol bent on shooting people entering the US from those mountains really sound like the right response to these skirmishes? your not doing your homework like I asked!!