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glenn1

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It's a free market decision. Foregone income plus uninsured medical expenses can easily bring it into six figure hit. Not the best financial environment to bring a child into for most people, especially considering other expenses of raising a kid.

So you responded to a question not asked and ignored mine. How unsurprising.
 

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Last I checked, UPS/Fedex were both HEAVILY unionized (derp derp no wonder it takes $10 to send a tiny package 1 block away). So why wasn't she able to do short term medical leave?
FedEx is non-union.
 

werepossum

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I think this was already posted somewhere....

To be honest, not much of an argument - The doc gave her orders for what not to do for her day-to-day labor. UPS should have given accommodations given the doctor's orders for a pregnancy. For such a unionized industry, I'm surprised.

The only stupid part? The woman admits that 99% of the time all she did was deliver envelopes that sure as hell didn't weigh 20lbs, let alone 40lbs+, so I think this is rather stupid to begin with. Also, she was not "forced" to be unpaid, nice liberal media bias tossed in there. They said you have to agree to be able to lift 40lbs+ (or something close to that). She refused (based on doc orders).

I honestly don't even see how there is any legit argument, or what this will change if SCOTUS sides with her (which I hope they do).

edit: Sorry, it's 70lbs, not 40lbs.
Um, no one who has every looked in a UPS truck is ever going to believe that "99% of the time all she did was deliver envelopes" crap.

I don't see how she will win many people including myself have had to go out on short term disability because we could not perform all the required tasks of our jobs. I could handle the day to day technical calls but I couldn't go to clients plants as required due to having a torn rotator cuff/recovering from rotator cuff repair surgery.
Agreed, but UPS does have helpers available for drivers who short term cannot lift packages. Problem is they never have enough, so pregnant women (whose "short term" tends to be much longer than the average "short term") are in the cross-hairs. That may hurt them in court, although it's worth pointing out that a male driver who gets hurt short term might find he has a worse job (if any) afterward as well.

Besides the liability and cost issues for UPS of setting a driver aside for a year, there are union issues as well. UPS simply cannot say "you're a driver until this lady comes back."

taking maternity leave starting in the first trimester, though? she'd be on leave for a year.
Exactly. UPS has good maternity leave, but not nearly that good.
 
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Um, no one who has every looked in a UPS truck is ever going to believe that "99% of the time all she did was deliver envelopes" crap.


Agreed, but UPS does have helpers available for drivers who short term cannot lift packages. Problem is they never have enough, so pregnant women (whose "short term" tends to be much longer than the average "short term") are in the cross-hairs. That may hurt them in court, although it's worth pointing out that a male driver who gets hurt short term might find he has a worse job (if any) afterward as well.

Besides the liability and cost issues for UPS of setting a driver aside for a year, there are union issues as well. UPS simply cannot say "you're a driver until this lady comes back."


Exactly. UPS has good maternity leave, but not nearly that good.

Read the article. She ADMITS that most of her routine was envelopes.

according to Young’s lawsuit, most of the packages Young delivered were envelopes and lightweight packages, usually weighing no more than 20 lbs.

Another source says flowers as well:

Peggy Young started working for UPS in 1999 and became a driver in 2002. According to court records, in 2006 she was an early-morning part-time driver working out of Landover, Maryland. After finishing her rounds by 10 a.m., Young would then work a second job delivering flowers. She asked for a leave of absence in July 2006 to undergo in vitro fertilization, which was successful.

In September, Young gave her supervisor a doctor's note instructing that she was not to lift more than 20 pounds. UPS said that her continued employment was impossible so long as she had the lifting restriction. Young argued that she rarely had to handle heavier packages and that, if she did, she could use a hand truck or get help from another UPS employee.
 

werepossum

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Read the article. She ADMITS that most of her routine was envelopes.

Another source says flowers as well:
She didn't ADMIT that most of her routine was envelopes, she CLAIMED that most of her routine was envelopes. By making this claim, she makes UPS' actions seem less reasonable, as though her restriction would hardly ever affect UPS. I'm saying bullshit; there are no UPS trucks that run with only envelopes.

Flowers were her SECOND job, outside of UPS. Flowers I can see; there probably isn't more than one day a week with a flower delivery weighing in excess of 20 pounds, and flower deliveries are typically point to point, not a route, so having another driver make her occasional heavy flower delivery imposes no particular burden on her employer. With UPS, there probably isn't a day without packages in excess of 20 pounds and drivers cover routes which must be duplicated by another driver and another truck to honor that weight restriction.

I'm not saying UPS is necessarily legally correct, but I can certainly see their point.

EDIT: I will say that one reason UPS guns for pregnant women is because of its generous maternity leave. Far too many state that they are coming back, but after using their UPS insurance and their UPS paid maternity leave, they become stay-at-home moms.
 
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Thought this was interesting: http://md.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20110214_0000143.DMD.htm/qx

1.The Plaintiff: Peggy Young

UPS hired Young in 1999. In January 2002, Young started driving a delivery truck for the company. (Young Dep., 40, 65; ECF No. 76-16 ¶ 1). During the time relevant to this case -- primarily the years 2006 and 2007 -- Young worked as a part-time, early-morning "air driver." (Young Dep., at 65, 114-15; ECF No. 76-16 ¶ 3).*fn1 As an air driver, Young often carried lighter letters and packs, as opposed to heavier packages. "Air delivery is more expensive by weight than ground delivery. Therefore, heavier packages tend to be sent by ground delivery, and lighter packages tend to be sent by air delivery." (ECF No. 76-4 ¶ 1; see also ECF Nos. 76-11, at 3; 76-18, at 8). At least on some infrequent occasions, however, Young's deliveries would also include heavier boxes.*fn2 (Young Dep., at 67; ECF Nos. 76-16 ¶ 3; 76-18, at 8).

Because they were sometimes called upon to deliver heavier packages, air drivers like Young were required by UPS to be able to "lift, lower, push, pull, leverage and manipulate" items "weighing up to 70 pounds." Air drivers also needed to be able to "[a]ssist in moving packages weighing up to 150 pounds." (ECF No. 76-26, at 23; see also, e.g., ECF Nos. 60-5 ¶ 10; 60-9 ¶ 2; 60-4, at 47; 60-10, at 4-5). Young recognized that UPS "require[d] [her] to lift 70 pounds." (Young Dep., at 45, 52-53). She argues that the 70-pound lifting requirement was "illusory" because packages heavier than 20 pounds were infrequent (ECF No. 76-11 ¶ 11), she was able to use a hand truck (Young Dep., at 572), and other employees could and sometimes did take heavy packages for her (e.g., ECF No. 76-15 ¶ 5). She observes that several other UPS jobs have similar 70-pound "lifting" requirements, even though the jobs did not in actuality require heavy lifting - at least in her view. (See ECF No. 76-27, at 19 (operations clerk), 21 (loader/unloader), 23 (auto painter)).

In 2006, early-morning air drivers like Young would begin their workday at 6:30 a.m. (Young Dep., at 74). After arriving at the D.C. Building and clocking in, Young would inspect her delivery van. (Young Dep., at 74-75). Once finished with the inspection, Young would gather with other early-morning drivers to meet a shuttle that arrived from the airport bearing packages. (Young Dep., at 75). Together, the delivery drivers, including Young, "jumped up and unloaded" the packages from the shuttle van into their individual delivery vans.*fn3 (Young Dep., at 78-80). Young would load her own van and was expected to load and deliver - on her own - any packages under 70 pounds that were not oddly shaped. (Young Dep., 81-82). Young was ultimately responsible for delivering any packages of any weights that the customers sent. (Young Dep., at 85-86; ECF Nos. 76-17, at 4; 60-10, at 2). She had no control over which packages she was given to deliver on her route. (Young Dep., 75, 80, 85-86).

After the van was loaded, Young would begin making her deliveries. (Young Dep., at 82). Young ordinarily drove a route covering Annapolis, Davidsonville, and Calvert County (Young Dep., at 68; ECF No. 76-16 ¶ 3), delivering generally lighter letters and packs by 8:30 a.m.. (Young Dep., at 67; ECF No. 76-16 ¶¶ 3, 66). Sometimes, particularly on Saturdays, she would also make deliveries in Washington. (Young Dep., at 68). She would usually make five to twenty deliveries each day. (ECF No. 76-16 ¶ 66).

After finishing her deliveries, Young would meet a full-time driver to take additional "air" packages off his vehicle and deliver them by the 8:30 a.m. deadline. (Young Dep., at 69, 73, 85). She would then return with her van to the D.C. Building. (Young Dep., at 86). Young's day at UPS would end around 9:45 a.m. (Young Dep., at 86), after which she would punch out and go to her second job at a flower delivery company. (Young Dep., at 87).

2.The Defendant: United Parcel Service, Inc.

UPS is a package delivery service that employs 318 drivers at the D.C. Building, 14 of whom are part-time female drivers like Young. (Brien Dep., Ex. 1). Many of these employees, including Young (Young Dep., at 105), were covered by a Collective Bargaining Agreement ("CBA"). Young's arguments implicate many provisions of the CBA, in addition to certain other policies and procedures at UPS.*fn4

Under Article 14, Section 2 of the CBA, UPS must give temporary work assignments to CBA-covered employees who are unable to perform their regular jobs because of on-the-job injuries. (ECF Nos. 60-5 ¶ 3; 60-7, at 2-3). These temporary assignments are generally limited to 30 days and are meant to help return the employee to regular work as soon as possible.

(ECF Nos. 60-5 ¶ 3; 60-7, at 2-4). Unless an employee suffers an on-the-job injury, the stated policy of UPS is to permit light-duty accommodations only where "an employee has a qualifying disability within the meaning of the ADA which prevents him/her from being able to perform some aspect of his/her job." (ECF No. 60-5 ¶¶ 4-5; see also ECF No. 60-7, at 4). Thus, UPS's policy is that an employee who is unable to perform an essential function of the job would be required to take a leave of absence (if the inability stemmed from something off-the-job). (ECF No. 60-5 ¶ 6).

UPS's general policy is to treat pregnancy just like any other off-the-job injury or condition. (See, e.g., No. 60-4, at 51 ("UPS does not offer light duty to any employee, male or female, who has any medical condition not related to work, pregnancy included."); cf. 85-3 ¶ 3). Thus, "[p]regnant employees were permitted to continue working as long as they wanted to during their pregnancies, unless and until the employee presented a doctor's note or other medical certification that she had a restriction that rendered her unable to perform the essential functions of the job." (ECF No. 60-5 ¶ 7). Many delivery drivers, for instance, do in fact continue to work throughout their pregnancy. (ECF No. 60-5 ¶ 7). Pregnant employees who are unable to perform essential functions of their job are granted a leave of absence, but are ineligible for temporary work assignments or other light-duty work. (ECF No. 60-5 ¶ 7).

Young argues that UPS made exceptions to its stated policy of refusing to provide accommodations to employees who were injured off-duty. For instance, she believed one employee with cancer was given "light duty" while undergoing treatment. (ECF Nos. 76-4 ¶ 23; 76-11 ¶ 2). Young provides evidence of several other instances of accommodation for drivers and other employees dealing with injuries or other job impediments. (See, e.g., ECF Nos. 76-4 ¶¶ 22-30; 76-5 ¶¶ 3-4; 76-6 ¶¶ 4-7; 76-8 ¶¶ 4-5; Pl.'s Ex. 32; 76-16 ¶¶ 33-36). Young also notes instances where other pregnant employees enjoyed accommodations. (See, e.g., ECF Nos. 76-11 ¶¶ 5-7, 9; 76-16 ¶ 32).

Several of Young's cited "exceptions" involved drivers who failed a Department of Transportation ("DOT") medical exam. Drivers must pass such a medical exam every 24 months. See 49 C.F.R. § 391.45. Article 20, Section 4 of the CBA provides that, if a driver fails the exam and becomes legally prohibited from driving, but is still fit enough to perform "inside jobs,"*fn5

UPS must provide that employee with such a job. (ECF No. 76-27, at 7; see also Brien Dep., at 17-18, 93-94, 103-05, 114-15; see, e.g., ECF No. 76-21, at 3). Similar arrangements are provided for under the CBA for drivers who lose their driver's license or have been involved in a motor vehicle accident. (ECF Nos. 85-3 ¶ 3; 76-27, at 4-5, 6, 17).

Carolyn Martin, the District Occupational Health Manager for the Metro D.C. District at UPS, was the individual charged with applying the above policies in Young's region. (ECF Nos. 60-5 ¶ 1; 60-4, at 11-15; 60-6, at 15-17; Brien Dep., at 107-08). In particular, Martin was responsible for: . . . most issues relating to employee health and ability to work, including leaves of absence under the Family and Medical Leave Act . . ., the administration of UPS's Program for Compliance with the [ADA], the [DOT] medical examination and qualification requirements applicable to UPS drivers, and injury prevention. [She] also was the official in the Metro D.C. District who made decisions about whether employees were able to perform the essential functions of their jobs based on restrictions imposed by physicians. (ECF No. 60-5 ¶ 1). In determining whether an employee could perform her job, Martin would rely on the Essential Job Functions list for each employee's job. (ECF No. 60-5 ¶ 6). Martin states that only she has the authority to grant accommodations. (ECF No. 60-5 ¶ 8; see also Brien Dep., at 57-60). According to her, she would only provide accommodations in accordance with company policy and would put an end to any accommodation inappropriately granted by a manager or supervisor. (ECF No. 60-5 ¶ 8). Martin states that she makes accommodation decisions on her own. (ECF Nos. 60-4, at 64-65).

3.Young's Pregnancy and Problems with UPS

In 2005, Young started a first round of in vitro fertilization in an effort to get pregnant. (Young Dep., at 118). Because of that treatment, Young took a leave of absence from her job at UPS beginning in July 2005. (Young Dep., at 121-22). Young became pregnant, but suffered a miscarriage in September. (Young Dep., at 122). She returned to her former position at UPS roughly a month later, in October 2005. (Young Dep., at 122).

In February 2006, Young started a second round of in vitro fertilization. (Young Dep., at 123). She again requested time off, this time submitting a form titled, "Certification by Health Care Provider." (ECF No. 60-11, at 1). Young's physician certified on that form that she was unable to perform work on the day of surgery or the day after, and should not lift more than ten to fifteen pounds for two weeks after surgery. (ECF No. 60-11, at 1). Martin approved the leave request.*fn6 (ECF No. 60-11, at 2). Young then took leave beginning on February 21, 2006. (ECF No. 60-11, at 2).

The second round of in vitro fertilization was unsuccessful and Young returned to work in March 2006. (Young Dep., at 125). After her return, Carol Richardson -- the other driver on Young's route -- insisted on taking all of the heavier packages from Young. (Young Dep., at 76; ECF Nos. 76-16 ¶ 3; 76-9 ¶ 4). Richardson took the heavier packages because she was concerned Young might not be able to get pregnant again if she handled them herself. (Young Dep., at 77, 435-36; ECF Nos. 60-10, at 6-7; 76-9 ¶ 4; 76-4 ¶ 15).*fn7

Young then began a third round of in vitro fertilization in July 2006. (Young Dep., at 45). Once more, she asked for a leave of absence because she could not lift more than ten pounds. (Young Dep., at 45). In another letter from Martin, UPS granted her requested leave. (Young Dep., at 126). The leave began at the end of July, with an anticipated return date around August 26. (Young Dep., at 127; ECF No. 76-16 ¶ 12). The third round of in vitro was successful, and Young became pregnant. (Young Dep., at 23, 127).

Because of the new pregnancy, Young sought to extend her leave. (Young Dep., at 137, 153, 258-59; ECF No. 76-16 ¶¶ 12, 13, 15). Consequently, she went to the D.C. Building sometime in September 2006 and dropped off a "letter with [her restrictions]" from her doctor, Dr. Thaddeus Mamlenski. (Young Dep., at 128, 136-37; ECF No. 76-16 ¶ 14). The letter recommended that Young "not be required to lift greater than 20 pounds for the first 20 weeks of pregnancy and no greater than 10 pounds thereafter." (ECF No. 60-12, at 1). She left the note with her supervisor, Urusla Blunt, or "someone else at UPS to give to her." (ECF No. 76-16 ¶ 14). When she delivered the note, Young was told to speak with Martin about her leave extension request. (Young Dep., at 139).

Young later called and left a voicemail message for Martin informing her of the doctor's note. (Young Dep., at 143-44). Sometime thereafter, Young finally reached Martin, told her about the doctor's note, and told her she "wasn't ready to come back to work quite yet." (Young Dep., at 148-49). According to Young, Martin responded that she "wasn't sure what to do with [Young] at that point." (Young Dep., at 149). Martin also "gave [Young] the impression that UPS did not care when [she] returned to work." (ECF No. 76-16 ¶ 15). Martin reminded Young, however, that when she did return she "needed to bring in a doctor's note stating what [her] restrictions were." (ECF No. 76-16 ¶ 15).

Young had another checkup appointment on October 11, 2006 with nurse midwife Cynthia Shawl. (Young Dep., at 156). Following an "encouraging appointment" (Young Dep., at 157), Shawl released Young "without limitations" (ECF No. 76-12 ¶ 2). Nonetheless, Shawl wrote a note stating: "Due to her pregnancy it is recommended that she not lift more than 20 pounds." (ECF Nos. 76-12 ¶ 3; 60-13, at 1). Shawl did not normally write such notes, but "wrote this note only because Ms. Young told me she needed a letter for work stating her restrictions." (ECF No. 76-12 ¶ 4). Her letter did not include the word "restriction" because she felt she "was making only a recommendation." (ECF No. 76-12 ¶ 4).

A short time thereafter, Young contacted Blunt and asked to come back to work. (Young Dep., at 186). She also explained, however, that she had a "doctor's" note with a recommendation not to lift more than 20 pounds, and asked if there was any light duty available. (Young Dep., at 186-87). Blunt referred her again to Martin. (Young Dep., at 188).

At some point before Young reached out to Martin, Martin learned about Young's doctor's note through another UPS manager, Jim Harris. (ECF No. 60-4, at 37-38). Harris phoned Martin and told her that "Peggy Young had brought in a note regarding light duty because she had restrictions due to her pregnancy." (ECF No. 60-4, at 37-38). She told Harris that, "since [Young] ha[d] restrictions, that she [could] not be allowed to continue doing her regular job as a delivery driver or air driver or service provider." (ECF No. 60-4, at 38). She knew that the Essential Job Function list required air drivers to lift 70 pounds, and consequently "concluded that the lifting restriction rendered Peggy Young unable to perform the essential functions of her job." (ECF No. 60-5 ¶ 10). Martin also believed that Young was ineligible for light duty or an alternative work assignment because the restriction was not the result of an on-the-job injury. (ECF No. 60-5 ¶ 10). She told Harris that Young could not return to work while the restriction was in place. (ECF Nos. 60-5 ¶ 10; 60-4, at 38). She reached this decision entirely on her own. (ECF No. 60-5 ¶ 11).

At the end of October 2006, Young called and left a phone message with Martin. (Young Dep., at 162-63). Young explained that "she got a note with her restrictions and that, you know, [she] felt good about [her] pregnancy and that [she] wanted to come back to work and [she] needed to know what [she] had to do." (Young Dep., at 163). Martin returned her call the same day. (Young Dep., at 164). They again discussed the lifting recommendation and Young's health. (Young Dep., at 164). Martin then told Young that (a) UPS did not "offer light duty for pregnancy, only for on-the-job injuries"; (b) Young didn't "qualify for short-term disability because [her] doctor didn't give [her] a note saying that [she] couldn't work, that [she] just had a lifting restriction"; and (c) that she had used up all of her medical leave. (Young Dep., at 164-65; ECF No. 60-5 ¶ 11). Martin also informed Young: "Based on company policy, I, unfortunately, could not allow her to continue working with her 20-pound lifting restriction." (ECF No. 60-4, at 41). Young told her she "wanted to work" and Martin felt that, although she "would have loved to help her" (ECF No. 60-4, at 44), she "needed to treat [Young] like [she] would treat anybody who had a note for lifting and couldn't do their regular job." (ECF No. 60-4, at 42).

Martin explains that she would have allowed Young to return to work if Young had "presented another medical certification indicating that the lifting restriction had been removed and that she was able to perform the essential functions of her job." (ECF No. 60-5, at 7). Young, however, says Martin provided her with only two options: provide a note stating that she could not work at all -- rendering her eligible for disability -- or "think about [her] job with UPS because [she] was pregnant and had used up [her medical] leave." (Young Dep., at 317, 559-60; ECF No. 30-3 ¶¶ 20-21).

In early November 2006, Young spoke with "the top person at [her] jobsite," Myron Williams, about the possibility of returning to work. (ECF No. 76-16 ¶ 26). Williams, who is the Capital Division Manager,*fn8 "did not have the authority to determine whether [an] employee was able to perform the essential functions of his/her job notwithstanding [a] restriction/recommendation." (ECF No. 85-4 ¶ 5; see also ECF No. 85-5 ¶¶ 5-6).*fn9 Young maintains that Williams told her "not to come back in the building until [she] was no longer pregnant because [she] was too much of a liability." (ECF No. 76-16 ¶ 26; see also Young Dep., at 563-64). Williams denies making any such statement. (ECF No. 85-4 ¶ 4).

By this point in time, Young had exhausted her medical leave, but her leave of absence was extended. (ECF No. 60-5 ¶ 12). UPS "coded" Young's absence under the code for "disability" on her attendance chart. (ECF Nos. 76-26, at 4; 76-16 ¶¶ 45; Young Dep., at 166-170).*fn10 During her leave, Young received no pay and lost her medical coverage at the end of 2006. (ECF No. 76-16 ¶ 38; ECF No. 76-26, at 1).

Young gave birth to her child on April 29, 2007. (Young Dep., at 204). She did not immediately return to UPS because she "felt as though [she] should have the maternity leave like every other pregnant woman to spend time with their child and bond with their child before they have to return to work." (Young Dep., at 227). She also felt that she would not have been able physically or emotionally to perform her regular job for the first two months after the birth. (Young Dep., at 606-607). As soon as Young wished to return to work, she did so.

(Young Dep., at 210-11). She returned to work on June 26, 2007 and resumed the same position she held before. (Young Dep., at 208, 211).
Three interesting points here. First, this young lady took a LOT of time off before this. Second, UPS did accommodate her more than necessary according to law, company policy, and the union contract, which (I think) helps UPS' case. Third, there are two drivers on Young's route (to meet the schedule requirements) AND the other driver volunteered to carry Young's heavy packages, which (I think) helps Young's case.
 

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Thought this was interesting: http://md.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20110214_0000143.DMD.htm/qx


Three interesting points here. First, this young lady took a LOT of time off before this. Second, UPS did accommodate her more than necessary according to law, company policy, and the union contract, which (I think) helps UPS' case. Third, there are two drivers on Young's route (to meet the schedule requirements) AND the other driver volunteered to carry Young's heavy packages, which (I think) helps Young's case.

Doesn't matter, just like the "women make 73% of what men make" number being bullshit doesn't matter. Women's organizations will support this woman and the lawsuit to the utmost no matter how weak the premise or how badly it fucks over everyone else not similarly trying to game the system.
 

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Doesn't matter, just like the "women make 73% of what men make" number being bullshit doesn't matter. Women's organizations will support this woman and the lawsuit to the utmost no matter how weak the premise or how badly it fucks over everyone else not similarly trying to game the system.

Yep, while using the premise that a pregnancy should be treated the same as an illness, injury or disability. To them, women are strong and equal, until they aren't. Completely laughable.
 

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This is all about women stealing men's jobs. The job requires heavy lifting all the time. There are no light duty jobs. Probably other women have all those jobs already. Getting pregnant is a choice not an illness. If you take a physical labor job, you are absolutely useless when you elect to have sex and get pregnant. This is asking too much of the courts and an employer.
 
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I'd they let her work and she injurs herself by lifting a package that's too heavy or any other reason, it will be a workman's comp claim and she's on paid leave till the baby is born. If she miscarried as a result of UPS "forcing" her to lift packages that were not allowed according to her doctor excuse, she could and would sue for millions.
 
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First, this young lady took a LOT of time off before this.

~90 days off for voluntary invitro fertilization attempts over a 10 month period for someone who works 3 hours a day....

For instance, she believed one employee with cancer was given "light duty" while undergoing treatment.

And this is why we can't have nice things and why companies are such assholes about adhering to written policy. Sure you may think you are doing a nice thing by going easy on someone who is undergoing cancer treatments but really you are just being an asshole corporation because obviously cancer and voluntary invitro fertilization are the same
 
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I'd they let her work and she injurs herself by lifting a package that's too heavy or any other reason, it will be a workman's comp claim and she's on paid leave till the baby is born. If she miscarried as a result of UPS "forcing" her to lift packages that were not allowed according to her doctor excuse, she could and would sue for millions.

That would require her to sign a waiver.... A company would be stupid to do otherwise. Hell, that might be what they offered her, but sh refused and went the "public image" route instead. Who knows the real truth at this point...
 

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Doesn't matter, just like the "women make 73% of what men make" number being bullshit doesn't matter. Women's organizations will support this woman and the lawsuit to the utmost no matter how weak the premise or how badly it fucks over everyone else not similarly trying to game the system.
True, although we'll have to see how this plays out in SCOTUS. Your point is correct though.

~90 days off for voluntary invitro fertilization attempts over a 10 month period for someone who works 3 hours a day....



And this is why we can't have nice things and why companies are such assholes about adhering to written policy. Sure you may think you are doing a nice thing by going easy on someone who is undergoing cancer treatments but really you are just being an asshole corporation because obviously cancer and voluntary invitro fertilization are the same
Yep, that's absolutely correct.
 
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SCOTUS vacates the 4th Circuit's upholding of the summary judgement in UPS' favor.

http://nyti.ms/1CYhiUx

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court is giving a former UPS driver another chance to prove her claim of discrimination after the company did not offer her lighter duty when she was pregnant.

The justices on Wednesday sided with former driver Peggy Young in throwing out lower court rulings that rejected Young's lawsuit.

The case concerned employers' responsibilities under the 37-year-old Pregnancy Discrimination Act. Atlanta-based UPS maintained that it obeyed the law because it provided light-work duty only in limited situations and did not single out pregnant women.

But the company changed its policy as of January and says it now tries to accommodate pregnant workers.
The vote was 6-3 in Young's favor. Justice Stephen Breyer wrote the majority opinion.
Link to opinion
 

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SCOTUS vacates the 4th Circuit's upholding of the summary judgement in UPS' favor.

http://nyti.ms/1CYhiUx

Link to opinion

Congrats I suppose. This just means that UPS will remove all accomodations for "light duty" so that the pregnant can't game the system like this plaintiff. The next pregnant woman will be out without recourse just like the cancer patients, person who is in a walking boot for a couple weeks, and anyone else. Can't do the essential job functions and you're either on disability or unemployed, no exceptions. That's a great outcome that women should be cheering :rollseyes:
 

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Congrats I suppose. This just means that UPS will remove all accomodations for "light duty" so that the pregnant can't game the system like this plaintiff. The next pregnant woman will be out without recourse just like the cancer patients, person who is in a walking boot for a couple weeks, and anyone else. Can't do the essential job functions and you're either on disability or unemployed, no exceptions. That's a great outcome that women should be cheering :rollseyes:

I dunno. I worked for a few years at UPS when I was in college. It was hands down the worst job I ever had. Brutal work conditions that absolutely destroy the human body. If you work a significant amount of time at that hell hole you will have lifetime back injuries to live through. Thank god I got out in time. UPS has an injury rate that is 3 times that of the transportation industry. How the fuck they get away with the shit wages, abysmal benefits and criminal lack of responsibility for injuries they incur on their workers is beyond confounding.
 

AznAnarchy99

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I dunno. I worked for a few years at UPS when I was in college. It was hands down the worst job I ever had. Brutal work conditions that absolutely destroy the human body. If you work a significant amount of time at that hell hole you will have lifetime back injuries to live through. Thank god I got out in time. UPS has an injury rate that is 3 times that of the transportation industry. How the fuck they get away with the shit wages, abysmal benefits and criminal lack of responsibility for injuries they incur on their workers is beyond confounding.

I've heard the exact opposite of everything you've said about UPS from many people.
 

bshole

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I've heard the exact opposite of everything you've said about UPS from many people.

Does a single one of those people have a scintilla's worth of MY integrity, intelligence and gravitas? Not likely.

$8.50/hr for back-breaking labor with vicious supervisors hounding you every second of the day, no thinking necessary or even desired. Pick up the box, stack it, pick up the next box, stack it, rinse, repeat.
 

senseamp

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The justices on Wednesday sided 6-3 with former driver Peggy Young in throwing out lower court rulings that rejected her lawsuit.
Surprised - that this court sided with a real person over a corporation that they consider a "person."

Justice Antonin Scalia said in dissent that the majority waved "the Supreme Wand" to arrive at the outcome it preferred. Scalia said the law "does not prohibit denying pregnant women accommodations, or any other benefit for that matter, on the basis of an evenhanded policy."
Not surprised - at the general douche-baggery of Scalia.
 
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Surprised - that this court sided with a real person over a corporation that they consider a "person."


Not surprised - at the general douche-baggery of Scalia.

Yeah. They deny pregnancy accommodations for men too, so it's even handed.
 

glenn1

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Surprised - that this court sided with a real person over a corporation that they consider a "person."


Not surprised - at the general douche-baggery of Scalia.

Yeah, UPS screwed up by not terminating her the instant her medical leave allowance was up but didn't return to work, now UPS and every other corporation will ensure that there is no such thing as light duty unless it's as an ADA accommodation. This is truly a great day for women's rights - one greedy woman might get a small financial windfall after trying to stack medical leave atop light duty atop FMLA leave and is now evidently being helped by the courts. Now millions of other women and men will be fucked over by companies removing any policies which give potential leeway to others who have short term restrictions.
 
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