Here Is What Louisiana Schoolchildren Learn About Evolution

[Lonbjerg]

That does NOT belong in a science classroom. At the school that I teach at, our textbooks and teachers teach straight-up evolution, not this thinly veiled "teach the controversy" creationism BS. Theology and Science need not conflict. But of course, those with small, closed minds would rather remain safe in their simple worldview where cavemen rode dinosaurs and ate "brontoburgers".

Bollocks...they are in conflict by nature.
One deals with facts...the other tries and fit fatcs to it's superstitious babble....nice fail.

Let me guess...living in the US?

 

[Retro Rob]

And yet thousands and thousands of people do get a winning lotto number (and even match 6 of them) every single year.

Why do you think that, in the 10's of millions of other galaxies, there isn't some other planet that is just as "lucky" as we were?

I hear you. I was a bit exaggerating with the lotto number part, but within his context of the statement of us being lucky, he seemed to be implying that we are product of a random rolling of the dice... that all conditions needed for intelligent plant/human/animal life and many forms of life, came from a random chain of events. Since we didn't share the fate of other planets, we are lucky to be alive.

I think that flies against logic and reason. I say that because the things we see that we've constructed on this planet are a product of planning, implementation, and execution. To me, saying that this planet and its organized cycles are a product of "luck", is almost like saying this computer I'm using finally came together and works after several billion cycles of tossing all these parts into the air letting the parts fall where they may.

 

[ichy]

Bollocks...they are in conflict by nature.
One deals with facts...the other tries and fit fatcs to it's superstitious babble....nice fail.

Let me guess...living in the US?

Thanks for saying that. It drives me nuts when people talk about theology and science as if they were somehow equally worthwhile and both helping us understand the world around us in "different ways." That is not the case. A bunch of stories that people dream up in their heads contribute NOTHING to the betterment of the world.

 

[Ausm]

Bollocks...they are in conflict by nature.
One deals with facts...the other tries and fit fatcs to it's superstitious babble....nice fail.

Let me guess...living in the US?

Word! But be nicer to us in the US because we aren't all misinformed.

 

[Jaskalas]

LMFAO!!

My daughters attend private Catholic school in South Louisiana and they are taught the biblical story of creation in religion class and evolution in science class.

Good, I feel such things should be segregated and not compared equally.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Word! But be nicer to us in the US because we aren't all misinformed.

Oh, I have noticed the trend of rising atheists numbers...especially amongst younger people.
So now it will be only...what...2-3 generations before you are ready for politician who are ateists

But sadly the most of the religious FUD trying to infect science and politics...still comes from the US.

You need to MULTIPLY faster ;p

 

[Atreus21]

More accurate: Atheism: The arrogant belief that entire billion-galaxy universe was not created at all.

 

[ichy]

More accurate: Atheism: The arrogant belief that entire billion-galaxy universe was not created at all.

No, the honest acknowledgement that we don't really know.

 

[Atreus21]

No, the honest acknowledgement that we don't really know.

That's agnosticism.

 

[dank69]

Oh, I have noticed the trend of rising atheists numbers...especially amongst younger people.
So now it will be only...what...2-3 generations before you are ready for politician who are ateists

But sadly the most of the religious FUD trying to infect science and politics...still comes from the US.

You need to MULTIPLY faster ;p

Too bad atheists are the ones who believe in using birth control.

 

[Lonbjerg]

That's agnosticism.

Agnosticism is for retards.
Are people agnostic about:
Santa Claus
Peter Pan
The tooth fairy
The sandman
Russels teapot
Ect.


No...

It's only about "god" people are agnostic....and it's not even a proper stance...just fuzzy-warm-feelings...

 

[ichy]

That's agnosticism.

No it's not. I can admit that I don't know that where life or the universe came from while at the same time believing that all of the "explanations" that religions offer are almost certainly bunk.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Too bad atheists are the ones who believe in using birth control.

I do to...vasectomy was my choice.
MY choice.
As a man.

Do your religious nutter politicians try and ban that?
Or it is just the woman side of it they try and ban?

Religious old men telling women what they can and cannot do...no different that Iran...

 

[Jaskalas]

Agnosticism is for retards.
Are people agnostic about:
Santa Claus
Peter Pan
The tooth fairy
The sandman
Russels teapot
Ect.


No...

It's only about "god" people are agnostic....and it's not even a proper stance...just fuzzy-warm-feelings...

It's your examples that are retarded. Nothing else compares to that which would exist on a plain beyond our perception. It is not possible to answer our creation because for every theory you can simply ask "why did THAT happen?"

The question itself is ad infinitum.

 

[Atreus21]

No it's not. I can admit that I don't know that where life or the universe came from while at the same time believing that all of the "explanations" that religions offer are almost certainly bunk.

You need not be religious to be a theist of some kind.

Saying that the universe was created at all presupposes a creator. To believe in such a creator is to be a theist. To not believe in such a creator is to be an atheist.

 

[Lonbjerg]

It's your examples that are retarded. Nothing else compares to that which would exist on a plain beyond our perception. It is not possible to answer our creation because for every theory you can simply ask "why did THAT happen?"

The question itself is ad infinitum.

You give me any data/evidence for your claim...or I will lump it in with the Sandman and all other creatures invented by the human mind...you "argument" is nothing by an attempt of "argumentum ad ignorantiam"...nice fail.

 

[Atreus21]

You give me any data/evidence for your claim...or I will lump it in with the Sandman and all other creatures invented by the human mind...you "argument" is nothing by an attempt of "argumentum ad ignorantiam"...nice fail.

Creation is evidence of a creator. It's actually atheists on whom the weight of proof exists. Where anywhere do we see evidence of things simply springing into existence?

 

[Lonbjerg]

Creation is evidence of a creator. It's actually atheists on whom the weight of proof exists. Where anywhere do we see evidence of things simply springing into existence?

I guess quanthum physics is above you.

I'll disregard you fallacy of "reversin the burden of proof"...and point you to reality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

Now go read up..and keep your fallacies away when the adults are talking....they are debunked and obsolete

 

[OutHouse]

so the school is teaching two different viewpoints? thats SHOCKING! BURN THEM, BURN THEM ALL!!!

 

[Jaskalas]

You give me any data/evidence for your claim...

Now we know how stupid you are, thinking 'data' has any relevance. There is no data, and there never will be. That's the point.

It doesn't mater why the big bang happened. Even if they answer that, we will simply move on to asking why the factors behind it exist. Every answer to why is responded to by another "why?". The question is ad infinitum - IT CAN NEVER BE ANSWERED.

Like an adult responding to a child playing that game, you eventually resort to "just because". The answer to "why" is beyond us. It always will be.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Now we know how stupid you are, thinking 'data' has any relevance. There is no data, and there never will be. That's the point.

It doesn't mater why the big bang happened. Even if they answer that, we will simply move on to asking why the factors behind it exist. Every answer to why is responded to by another "why?". The question is ad infinitum - IT CAN NEVER BE ANSWERED.

Like an adult responding to a child playing that game, you eventually resort to "just because". The answer to "why" is beyond us. It always will be.

Read you line again and refraise...otherwise you just proved how stupid your stance is.

The only thing childish in this thread...is religion....and the intellectual dishonesty used to defend it.

 

[OutHouse]

A bunch of stories that people dream up in their heads contribute NOTHING to the betterment of the world.

Have you even read the bible? do you even know whats in it?

 

[HomerJS]

so the school is teaching two different viewpoints? thats SHOCKING! BURN THEM, BURN THEM ALL!!!

2+2=4

So Johnny what's your opinion

 

[Retro Rob]

Have you even read the bible? do you even know whats in it?

Probably not.

More than likely, he either heard someone else's critique of it, or did what most bigoted Bible "readers" do, .. read one, or maybe two passages, close it, and charatcerized the entire Bible and the belief of ALL religious people off that two second Bible reading.

I can guess where he went too.. the parts which shows God's views on gays and the punishment(s) levied against them.

Typical, typical, typical... I expect nothing more.

 

[MovingTarget]

Bollocks...they are in conflict by nature.
One deals with facts...the other tries and fit fatcs to it's superstitious babble....nice fail.

Let me guess...living in the US?

You are no different than the fundies on our side of the pond claiming that the earth is 6000 years old and that fossils were put here to trick us - just on the other end of the spectrum. You misunderstand the nature of both science and theology. Theology isn't meant to answer scientific questions, period. I'm sure that you hold the same views on philosophy, no?