Here Is What Louisiana Schoolchildren Learn About Evolution

[RightIsWrong]

I think that that should read:

Religious Fundamentalism

The arrogant belief that the entire billion-galaxy was created JUST for us.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I agree. I will say this, thought. People like myself, who believes in creation use the same "logic".

I hope I am not over-simplyfiying this, but in short, I personally cannot reconcile that things as organized as our planet and our bodies and DNA (with it's extreme complexity and uniqness) isn't a product of purposeful design.

I once heard (I can't think of the term for these scientists) a scientist say "with out planet, the right distance from the Sun, and the right axis, we should consider ourselves "lucky".

Lucky!??! Really? I can't even get a winning lotto number with luck, let alone a planet and subsequently, human and animal civilization.

That's just me, I guess....

It amuses me that you describe your reasoning as "logic," and then proceed to describe a textbook argument from incredulity.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I think that that should read:

Religious Fundamentalism

The arrogant belief that the entire billion-galaxy was created JUST for us.

 

[3chordcharlie]

I think that that should read:

Religious Fundamentalism

The arrogant belief that the entire billion-galaxy was created JUST for us.

But then it wouldn't be funny.

 

[Retro Rob]

It amuses me that you describe your reasoning as "logic," and then proceed to describe a textbook argument from incredulity.

Here we go again.....

 

[3chordcharlie]

I agree. I will say this, thought. People like myself, who believes in creation use the same "logic".

I hope I am not over-simplyfiying this, but in short, I personally cannot reconcile that things as organized as our planet and our bodies and DNA (with it's extreme complexity and uniqness) isn't a product of purposeful design.

I once heard (I can't think of the term for these scientists) a scientist say "with out planet, the right distance from the Sun, and the right axis, we should consider ourselves "lucky".

Lucky!??! Really? I can't even get a winning lotto number with luck, let alone a planet and subsequently, human and animal civilization.

That's just me, I guess....

We are lucky, in comparison with the uncountable masses of those who do not exist, because the planet they were never born on lacks these conditions.

It's like my favorite existentialist joke:

What's the difference between a frog?

(The other isn't)

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I agree. I will say this, thought. People like myself, who believes in creation use the same "logic".

I hope I am not over-simplyfiying this, but in short, I personally cannot reconcile that things as organized as our planet and our bodies and DNA (with it's extreme complexity and uniqness) isn't a product of purposeful design.

I once heard (I can't think of the term for these scientists) a scientist say "with out planet, the right distance from the Sun, and the right axis, we should consider ourselves "lucky".

Lucky!??! Really? I can't even get a winning lotto number with luck, let alone a planet and subsequently, human and animal civilization.

That's just me, I guess....

If you seriously believe this, you should go look at the "anthropic principle". Also go look up "affirming the consequent", "post hoc ergo propter hoc", and "argument from (personal) incredulity".

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Here we go again.....

If you dislike being repeatedly corrected, kindly cease making ridiculous statements.

 

[bononos]

No wonder they pronounce Massachussets Massatussets.

 

[Retro Rob]

If you dislike being repeatedly corrected, kindly cease making ridiculous statements.

Nope, has nothing to do with that. Aruguing with people like you who lack objectivity and are full of religious hate is akin to trying to run through a brick wall.

I will just peacefully take my leave from this thread now.

 

[bononos]

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Lucky!??! Really? I can't even get a winning lotto number with luck, let alone a planet and subsequently, human and animal civilization.

That's just me, I guess....

The earth didn't pop up suddenly out of chance. It started from small nibblers.

 

[dank69]

Yes, I'm a bible thumper. I sit at my desk all day an just THUMP, man. It's my natural habitat.

Good gravy you guys can't resist getting vitriolic. All I asked were two basic questions.

Crikey! The specimen has been alerted to my presence! He sure does look pissed off! I didn't even need to jam my thumb up his ass!

Seriously, though, guys, seriously. The fossil was sideways through two layers of rock. The only possible explanation for this is the Great Flood. I don't know how this evolutionist theory even gained any traction.

 

[dank69]

Nope, has nothing to do with that. Aruguing with people like you who lack objectivity and are full of religious hate is akin to trying to run through a brick wall.

I will just peacefully take my leave from this thread now.

If you believe hard enough in Jesus Christ you can run through brick walls.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Lucky!??! Really? I can't even get a winning lotto number with luck, let alone a planet and subsequently, human and animal civilization.

Does the unlikelihood of any one lotto number being picked mean that having a lotto is impossible?

The line of the past ends at the present. It can't end anywhere else.

If I flip a coin 1000 times, the chance that I get any one combination of heads/tails is vanishingly small. Does this mean that it's anything special for me to get a combination?
A fundie would come in at the end of 1000 coin flips and say, "OMG this combination is just too unlikely! God must've picked it special!" But it's nothing for the universe to end at the present.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

I think that that should read:

Religious Fundamentalism

The arrogant belief that the entire billion-galaxy was created JUST for us.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Ahh, ya beat me to it.

Great minds think alike ay?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Nope, has nothing to do with that. Aruguing with people like you who lack objectivity and are full of religious hate is akin to trying to run through a brick wall.

You're clearly projecting.

I will just peacefully take my leave from this thread now.

I wouldn't want to defend your arguments, either.

 

[Jeff7]

"Here's the latest information that's based on what we've learned over a great deal of time."

"Here are some stories that some people put together a few thousand years ago. The stories say that they're correct."

Yes. Yes please, give me the latter one. It says it's unerring right there in it. How could that possibly be wrong?

I agree. I will say this, thought. People like myself, who believes in creation use the same "logic".

I hope I am not over-simplyfiying this, but in short, I personally cannot reconcile that things as organized as our planet and our bodies and DNA (with it's extreme complexity and uniqness) isn't a product of purposeful design.

I once heard (I can't think of the term for these scientists) a scientist say "with out planet, the right distance from the Sun, and the right axis, we should consider ourselves "lucky".

Lucky!??! Really? I can't even get a winning lotto number with luck, let alone a planet and subsequently, human and animal civilization.

That's just me, I guess....

The Universe played the lottery too, and there are many star systems out there with planets that are unsuitable for life. Or many places where stars weren't even formed. Or many many other places where there's only a very tenuous amount of interstellar hydrogen. We are here because this planet happened to have conditions which could lead to life. Interestingly, we are made of compounds that are roughly proportional to what's found on Earth. Now maybe if we were made primarily of iridium and plutonium, with mercury for blood, but it wasn't found anywhere else on the planet in any abundance, then you might have something - though you'd likely not be alive anyway, since you'd probably be unable to continue to survive in such a harsh environment as Earth.


The odds start to look pretty good if you can play a game of chance trillions upon trillions of times.



As far as DNA and life on this planet being orderly....
Species go extinct. Things have to terminate other life forms to sustain themselves. Animals and humans alike have various adaptations to deal with periods of deprivation, as access to food and water is often unpredictable for most inhabitants of Earth.
The planet's environment is so erosive and damaging that the primary means of continuing to survive is to try to produce more of yourself; besides that, sexual reproduction had the advantage of mixing up the DNA a bit in the hopes of dealing with the problem that it can't even replicate itself over and over without starting to getso screwed up that the life form that results is deformed or otherwise defective, to the point that it can have a severely reduced chance of surviving. We have genetic disorders that can cause our own biological defense mechanisms to turn on us, sometimes to the point of death. Birth defects occur at a rate that would get most production managers or manufacturing engineers fired.


If this is "higher power" work, they obviously went with the lowest bidder.

 

[HomerJS]

Don't believe the numbers(science), trust my deeply held religious beliefs is what got the right so discredited during the election polls/results.

Time to get out of your alternate universe.

 

[Matt1970]

I once heard (I can't think of the term for these scientists) a scientist say "with out planet, the right distance from the Sun, and the right axis, we should consider ourselves "lucky".

The whole scientific community got turned on it's ear when it found life forms surviving right in the thermal vents on the bottom of the ocean. I believe that was in the early 90’s and it greatly expanded what scientists had previously believed were the thresholds for life. Recent discoveries near the polls has further expanded those tolerances. There are billions of galaxies out there with billions of stars in each. Odds are there are a lot more planets like ours out there and what we define as conditions suitable to sustain life get changed all the time.

 

[MovingTarget]

That does NOT belong in a science classroom. At the school that I teach at, our textbooks and teachers teach straight-up evolution, not this thinly veiled "teach the controversy" creationism BS. Theology and Science need not conflict. But of course, those with small, closed minds would rather remain safe in their simple worldview where cavemen rode dinosaurs and ate "brontoburgers".

 

[shira]

Im going to cautiously say Im not seeing a problem with this. If you read the entire link it explains both sides...which I dont have a problem with.

As far as what schools...I wasnt able to find that...just says "Fifth graders in some state-sponsored schools ".

There are millions of issues with "both sides." The existence of "two sides" doesn't mean the both are worthy of inclusion in educated discourse. For example, there are "two sides" to the question of whether the Holocaust (meaning the genocide of Jews as a state policy of Nazi Germany, resulting in the murder of many millions of European Jews) actually occurred.

The overwhelming consensus among historians is that the the Holocaust occurred, and mountains of evidence support that conclusion. But there are many people who don't believe the Holocaust occurred. Do you think the mere existence of "two sides" means that the tenets of Holocaust denial ought to be included in a history course addressing WWII?

When the religious beliefs of the origins of the universe, Earth, and mankind are supported by a huge body of objective evidence, Creationism can rightfully be included in a science course on origins. Until then, Creationism belongs only in religious studies classrooms.

 

[RightIsWrong]

I agree. I will say this, thought. People like myself, who believes in creation use the same "logic".

I hope I am not over-simplyfiying this, but in short, I personally cannot reconcile that things as organized as our planet and our bodies and DNA (with it's extreme complexity and uniqness) isn't a product of purposeful design.

I once heard (I can't think of the term for these scientists) a scientist say "with out planet, the right distance from the Sun, and the right axis, we should consider ourselves "lucky".

Lucky!??! Really? I can't even get a winning lotto number with luck, let alone a planet and subsequently, human and animal civilization.

That's just me, I guess....

And yet thousands and thousands of people do get a winning lotto number (and even match 6 of them) every single year.

Why do you think that, in the 10's of millions of other galaxies, there isn't some other planet that is just as "lucky" as we were?

 

[Emos]

The problem is that there aren't "both sides" in science on this topic, any more than there are "both sides" as far as the shape of the Earth goes - round or flat. Yes, there are some people who believe the Earth is flat. It doesn't matter what they believe, it's know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are wrong. Ditto the age of the Earth - known beyond the shadow of a doubt not to be just a few thousand years old. Ditto the fossil record.

Thanks, couldn't have said it better myself! This constant assault to insert ID into the biology classroom drives me crazy.
I try my best to not have a litmus test or be a one issue voter, that said if someone is a YEC the probability will be high that my worldviews will have very little to nothing in common with that individual.
"You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts"

 

[Lonbjerg]

So in the US of A and theocracies like Iran teach the same shite to children...go figure.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world have moved on...time to wake up US...or get left behind....like any other theocracy.