here it is boys - PS3

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: ThunderLew

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

my mate went down to game and just preordered his PS3

Where does your friend live?

UK baby

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Cobolman
Re: Keyboard-Mouse control for consoles.

I don't get the obsession with keyboard and mouse - yes it's a great system for the PC, however it's far from perfect. The keyboard is a sloppy device for control, it's really all the mouse that makes the system shine. You have no analog control with the keyboard (meaning when you press a key such as "w" to move forward, you have only one speed (pressed = run, not pressed = don't move))

I see some sort of hybrid device offering the best of both worlds, but you're right about how the KB/mouse is pretty much confined to a desk environment and spending the resources on a hybrid control system for PC games doesn't make sense either (because the PC market is a free for all)

 

[ThunderLew]

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/preorders/...til-october-says-gamespoteb-174065.php

Looks like, at least in the states, that we are going to have to wait until October.

 

[dfloyd]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Cobolman
Re: Keyboard-Mouse control for consoles.

I don't get the obsession with keyboard and mouse - yes it's a great system for the PC, however it's far from perfect. The keyboard is a sloppy device for control, it's really all the mouse that makes the system shine. You have no analog control with the keyboard (meaning when you press a key such as "w" to move forward, you have only one speed (pressed = run, not pressed = don't move))

I see some sort of hybrid device offering the best of both worlds, but you're right about how the KB/mouse is pretty much confined to a desk environment and spending the resources on a hybrid control system for PC games doesn't make sense either (because the PC market is a free for all)

That was my point, something akin to the belkin nostromo on a lap pad type thing. Never asked nor wanted a full keyboard mouse setup, just something where I had more options (Ala WASD) and the precision of the mouse for aiming. I just dont understand why console developers are so against something like this. I know it would give those who used it an advantage, over traditional gamepads, in some games. But its like they are not making something better, because people are afraid to try it. I dont know any top 3d shooter players who use a gamepad. And with strategy games and RPGs getting more and more popular on consoles I see even more reason to create something like this. Ahh well I can always hope. (Mainly because the dang PC is getting expensive on me to update often, and consoles have finally caught up in the graphics dept., now just add the control system I have grown to love, please? )

 

[Journer]

is FF12 going to be PS2 or 3? I think i read somewhere it was ps2...one way or another...I'm not planning on buying a PS3 until they lower in price and there are some good games for it (FF ) anyone know about backwards compat....I am assuming it will still be able to do PS1/PS2 games

 

[Patrick Wolf]

:laugh: at SONY

 

[BenSkywalker]

is FF12 going to be PS2 or 3?

XII is PS2, the game should be releasing fairly soon, the demo was available if you purchased DragonQuest 8. XIII has been confirmed to be under development for the PS3 currently- not sure how far along it is though.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: dfloyd

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Cobolman
Re: Keyboard-Mouse control for consoles.

I don't get the obsession with keyboard and mouse - yes it's a great system for the PC, however it's far from perfect. The keyboard is a sloppy device for control, it's really all the mouse that makes the system shine. You have no analog control with the keyboard (meaning when you press a key such as "w" to move forward, you have only one speed (pressed = run, not pressed = don't move))

I see some sort of hybrid device offering the best of both worlds, but you're right about how the KB/mouse is pretty much confined to a desk environment and spending the resources on a hybrid control system for PC games doesn't make sense either (because the PC market is a free for all)

That was my point, something akin to the belkin nostromo on a lap pad type thing. Never asked nor wanted a full keyboard mouse setup, just something where I had more options (Ala WASD) and the precision of the mouse for aiming. I just dont understand why console developers are so against something like this. I know it would give those who used it an advantage, over traditional gamepads, in some games. But its like they are not making something better, because people are afraid to try it. I dont know any top 3d shooter players who use a gamepad. And with strategy games and RPGs getting more and more popular on consoles I see even more reason to create something like this. Ahh well I can always hope. (Mainly because the dang PC is getting expensive on me to update often, and consoles have finally caught up in the graphics dept., now just add the control system I have grown to love, please? )

Although when I think about it, there's is a lot of effort to bring bulky steering wheel systems to consoles (and PCs) - it does seem silly that we haven't had someone try to bring out a controller replacement. With the PS2, some games could work with a USB keyboard/mouse right out of the box (such as Half Life). How hard could it be to get a mouse device to act as a joystick and a couple of buttons on the controller - and the improved "keyboard" portion to act as the rest of the controller?

 

[BenSkywalker]

How hard could it be to get a mouse device to act as a joystick and a couple of buttons on the controller - and the improved "keyboard" portion to act as the rest of the controller?

It has been done, it sucks. One thing to keep in mind when talking about the PC style interface is that you are dealing with a singular analog device and everything else is digital. Of the least advanced control setup on the last gen consoles there were four analog inputs.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: TheHans

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Wii for the Wiin

FTW

Anyway the PS3 has a ripped off motion sensor with less than full 3D motion...plus outrageous prices :S

FTW X2.....despite my Bill Gates comment neither him nor Sony shall be getting my money. It'll be Wii all the way. I've always loved the innovation that comes from Nintendo and nintendo is what I grew up on.

I think they realize that some people, especially those of us who've been gaming for 15-20 years(I'm 21 now and first starting playing NES at age 5) want something different from video games, we dont always want the action bloody FPS run around hair trigger finger twitching games, we want something that will make us go wow that was FUN and innnovative. Something that MS and Sony dont have for me since when I look at the lineup for 360 and PS3 all i see is lots of rehashs of old ideas and sequels....no fun for me.

I've also been gaming for most of my life (just over 18 years now) and have grown up with the likes of Atari, Sega, Nintendo, Commodore, Amstrad, Amiga, Sony & Microsoft. Now at the dizzy age of 22 I find the games on Nintendo's machines just too cutesy for me. I'm not into kids games, i'm not into cell shaded graphics, i'm not intogames like Resident Evil either. I am into the likes of Final Fantasy, GTA, Gran Turismo etc or in other words games aimed mostly at the 16-31 age group (18+ in some cases). Nintendo have lost me as a customer but i'll play it round a mates if I want to play it.

Gyro... I really hope you can turn it off (like you could Dual Shock).

The Premium PS3 package is cheaper than expected (for the UK) as most expected a £499 price tag, instead we get £350 & £425. All in all quite reasonable.

actually those prices, if true (link? or have you converted? the US prices are supposed to convert straight over into euros ie $599 = 599 euros) then thats actually not too bad a mere £75 extra for the full blown deal, ill definately pick one up at some point, maybe not right away, ill wait till after christmas or something

i want to buy a new car first much better that the simulated stuff

Here is a link to the £425 price point altho looks like the basic model will not be available here: http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6151565.html

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

How hard could it be to get a mouse device to act as a joystick and a couple of buttons on the controller - and the improved "keyboard" portion to act as the rest of the controller?

It has been done, it sucks. One thing to keep in mind when talking about the PC style interface is that you are dealing with a singular analog device and everything else is digital. Of the least advanced control setup on the last gen consoles there were four analog inputs.

The reason it would suck would be because there is not support. PC can't have perfect controls because it isn't a unified system, no one can force game developers to unanimously support such a device (just another scenario where they'll have to work more and they just care about $$), and consoles can't implement it because you can't exactly translate the mouse to the couch.

KB/mouse isn't perfect, but it could be, however probably won't be anytime soon. We're going to run into some problems somewhere down the road when PC gaming is going to need something better than the crap keyboard because we're going to run into limitations in control.

It?s pretty silly if you think about it. 3D games are getting ever more advanced, yet we?re still getting around by WASD...a good example of limitation is a game such as Jedi Knight. You know you want to control how your character jumps around and swing the lightsaber, yet it?s so frustrating trying to translate that to the keys and mouse (of which even the mouse is imperfect for such control); and games with preset moves such as KOTOR simply aren?t as fun because you?re just watching your character perform the pre determined moves that you don?t really have any say on ? you just pick them.

 

[videogames101]

Just grab a Wii and an Xbox for $600, 2 for the price of one there...

Wii+Xbox360=PS3 in price
Wii>Ps3
Xbox360>PS3

Do the math.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: videogames101
Just grab a Wii and an Xbox for $600, 2 for the price of one there...

Wii+Xbox360=PS3 in price
Wii>Ps3
Xbox360>PS3

Do the math.

Wii+360+Blu-Ray = ?

Your math is blinded by a fanboy hard on for MS.

 

[akugami]

Actually at this point in time, I can't see how the PS3 is better than the Xbox360. At worst, the 360 may be weaker as far as max possible performance goes but will perform about the same in real world gaming. The Wii is definitely the weakest of the three systems and quite frankly I was a little disappointed in it's graphical capabilities. I was not expecting a huge increase from the Gamecube but it seemed the Wii provided only a very minor upgrade in graphics to the Gamecube. Hopefully it's just the early nature of the games and that developers were still working on improving the control scheme rather than concentrate on graphices.