here it is boys - PS3

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: DaveyTN
My TV only has a DVI input - no HDMI. Would I still be able to watch Blu Ray dvds? Would I need some sort of converter?

No, HDMI is completely Secure line. Besides the need for basic support of the whole AACS and such the end source is the one that is supposed to do the decoding. I don't know how that is handled or whether I am right or wrong on this manner, but basically AACS and DHCP are going to be required for bothe HD-DVD and Blu Ray with Toshiba taking a step back and not requireing it right away for HD media (upconverting still requires Digitally secure line). Blu-Ray might not as by the time it comes out, but if they go that oute it will destroy the reason they have so many Companies back them (less rights for you = more money for them). If that sticks then the low cost BR player becomes $600, even though the cheaper model technically has the player.

Quite a few newer HDTV's have DVI with HDCP. I've got a 47" CRT projection HDTV that supports HDCP and I use it to watch HDTV.

So DVI > HDMI adaptors will work fine for people. The PS3 is supposed to have pretty much all the connectors the PS2 had, and more, so it will most likely have the TOSLINK (optical) audio cable, and it may support digital coaxial as well.

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Somewhere, Bill Gates is smiling.

And laughing all the way to the bank.

Don't laugh, but when it's all said and done, Nintendo might be the big winner after next generation. The Wii is going to attract more new gamers than the other systems combined; its controller has both geeks and newbies excited with the type of control.

You can read about it, such as at IGN.com, where already games have you swinging the controller like a tennis racket, using it like a fishing pole in 3d, moving it in all directions as a steering wheel, etc.

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Btw, that pricepoint for the PS3 is way too high. As a Playstation fanboy and owner of a library of PS1 and PS2 games, my entry point for consoles is $299 or less. It's going to take years before the PS3 falls that low.

Though that is comparable to an uber-high end video card price, and it's negligible when compared to the cost of some high end HDTV's, Sony's PS3 looks like it will be a winner in the >30 year old crowd, who have money to burn on the toys necessary for the PS3 experience (large HDTV, surround sound setup, etc).

Myself, as a mid-20 year old, I've been able to build a solid surround sound setup and get an HDTV by religiously parsing Hot Deals, but for most people, they won't have the hardware to make PS3 worthwhile.

 

[Munky]

What happened to making game consoles primarily for games? I dont want to deal with all the HDCP crap Sony and MS try to shove at me just because they're trying to make their console the centerpiece of the living room. I bought the PS2 for the games, I watched maybe like 1 or 2 dvd movies on it in the 4 years I've owned it, and i would have still bought it even if it did not play dvd movies. I might as well switch to Nintendo this time if they make some good games for their next console.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: munky
What happened to making game consoles primarily for games? I dont want to deal with all the HDCP crap Sony and MS try to shove at me just because they're trying to make their console the centerpiece of the living room. I bought the PS2 for the games, I watched maybe like 1 or 2 dvd movies on it in the 4 years I've owned it, and i would have still bought it even if it did not play dvd movies. I might as well switch to Nintendo this time if they make some good games for their next console.

Who wants these things to play games anyways?

I played 1 DVD movie on my PS2 and decided it looked like shite. In fact my PS2 has been collecting dust for the past 3 years in the closet.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

What it will come down to for me is how much more "next gen" the games will be. Forget all those racing games like grand turisimo and F1 (whats with sony and racing simulators? ) but if the games are really a step up from the 360, it makes it a better buy period (at least for me). I've owned an xbox since halo1 and still play h2 on live whenever Im home, but so far I've been unimpresed with the 360. Hopefully gears of war and h3 will change my mind

 

[Nextman916]

The presentation was really a dissapointment compared to last yrs E3 which blew the whole event out of the water. The game demos this yr were decent but nothing really special, if killzone was brought back i suspect it would have done better. My views on the controller were neutral, i mean sticking with relatively the same looks/functionality for 3 generations is playing it safe, but also its something i love. The dismissal of dualshock was dualshocking to me, the 6 sensor thing is amazing though and im sure developers will love to use it just as much. Third person games will benefit from this the most imo if they used the feature for camera control, like all the normal buttons for normal actions, but tilt and move the actual controller around to get the camera just right and to get a real panoramic view of the game however you'd like it. Im still contemplating if i might buy this on release with my birthday+christmas money from my parents or if im going to upgrade my PC to conroe+G80 or R600 and a whole new build. Im still young and i cant really keep up with the constant upgrades of the PC market, but somehow i still do it...barely. If DX10 really does improve performance of games that much i might upgrade. Anyways its a long time of thinking away, but the PS3 still is more attractive that the x360 to me.

 

[dfloyd]

Whomever can convince themselves that the added technology has anything to do with the PS3's success does not remember history. Lets take a history lesson, PS2 vs Xbox, who sold more units? We all know the Xbox was far more advanced overall (Considering connectivity, hard drive, feature set, and so on), but who won? Now lets consider their prices, for the most part they stayed almost even. This with the Xbox costing almost the exact same as the PS2. Now consider if the Xbox had cost $200 more than the PS2. You think anyone would of bought a Xbox (Besides those select few tech nuts like us, we are a severe minority and cash is king to the average consumer).

So unless Sony lowers the price VERY quickly, the PS3 is doomed.

Edit: And to those claiming the capabilites of the PS3 are so amazing, I personally could care less to go above 1080i watching movies and I have a 200" widescreen projector. 1080i is plenty for me, so what do you think the average joe is going to think?

 

[RussianSensation]

It's interesting how everyone talks about HDTV this and HDTV that but there is a handful of native 1080p televisions on the market and they all cost a lot of $. For anyone who considers HDTV 1080p gaming/movie viewing etc, the price of PS3 can be $899US and it would make no difference since true 1080p TVs cost 3-4 grand US. For everyone else, it would have been better if a system was dedicated for gaming and came with a regular DVD drive to save $300+ Blue-Ray disc cost. I would have rather appreciated 16AF enforced in all games and a G80 derivative graphics card or G70 SLI for that extra cost for true next generation gaming.

Resolution is one thing, but it alone does not determine next generation gaming - graphical detail does. Doom 3 at 640x480 on all high blows Call of Duty 1 at 2048x1536 out of the water. All you need is high textures, high shaders, HDR, etc and even at 640x480 you can blow PC gaming at 1920x1200 if you made a pretty game....But for that you need serious graphics power; and full 1 year after 360, PS3 is nothing special on that front.

 

[dfloyd]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
It's interesting how everyone talks about HDTV this and HDTV that but there is a handful of native 1080p televisions on the market and they all cost a lot of $. For anyone who considers HDTV 1080p gaming/movie viewing etc, the price of PS3 can be $899US and it would make no difference since true 1080p TVs cost 3-4 grand US. For everyone else, it would have been better if a system was dedicated for gaming and came with a regular DVD drive to save $300+ Blue-Ray disc cost. I would have rather appreciated 16AF enforced in all games and a G80 derivative graphics card or G70 SLI for that extra cost for true next generation gaming.

Resolution is one thing, but it alone does not determine next generation gaming - graphical detail does. Doom 3 at 640x480 on all high blows Call of Duty 1 at 2048x1536 out of the water. All you need is high textures, high shaders, HDR, etc and even at 640x480 you can blow PC gaming at 1920x1200 if you made a pretty game....But for that you need serious graphics power; and full 1 year after 360, PS3 is nothing special on that front.

Stop it RS your making too much sense!!! Now quickly say something like 360 sucks and PS3 will own you all.

 

[Spicedaddy]

Originally posted by: munky
What happened to making game consoles primarily for games? I dont want to deal with all the HDCP crap Sony and MS try to shove at me just because they're trying to make their console the centerpiece of the living room. I bought the PS2 for the games, I watched maybe like 1 or 2 dvd movies on it in the 4 years I've owned it, and i would have still bought it even if it did not play dvd movies. I might as well switch to Nintendo this time if they make some good games for their next console.

They had to put BlueRay in it, they're trying to make it the next movie standard. DVD-9 would've been enough for games...

The thing is, by the time there's a winner in the BlueRay VS HD-DVD war, we'll have 150$ players that have better video quality than PS3. So basically, you're paying extra $$ to help Sony push BlueRay.

The complete version is too expensive, and the castrated version is just dumb. (you're paying big money for a BlueRay drive, but you can't use it to watch movies properly since there's no HDMI)

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
It's interesting how everyone talks about HDTV this and HDTV that but there is a handful of native 1080p televisions on the market and they all cost a lot of $. For anyone who considers HDTV 1080p gaming/movie viewing etc, the price of PS3 can be $899US and it would make no difference since true 1080p TVs cost 3-4 grand US. For everyone else, it would have been better if a system was dedicated for gaming and came with a regular DVD drive to save $300+ Blue-Ray disc cost. I would have rather appreciated 16AF enforced in all games and a G80 derivative graphics card or G70 SLI for that extra cost for true next generation gaming.

Resolution is one thing, but it alone does not determine next generation gaming - graphical detail does. Doom 3 at 640x480 on all high blows Call of Duty 1 at 2048x1536 out of the water. All you need is high textures, high shaders, HDR, etc and even at 640x480 you can blow PC gaming at 1920x1200 if you made a pretty game....But for that you need serious graphics power; and full 1 year after 360, PS3 is nothing special on that front.

Spot on. The PS3, a whole year behind doesn't look like it's worth the wait for an entire year over it's competition. Couple that with one CGI demo after another and you *still* have no idea what the 1st gen games will look like.

At the end of the day, the PS3 will compete with 2nd Gen Xbox360 games (Forza 2 anyone?) and Wii without it being the massive power house it was hyped up to be, by Sony. Sony will likely start keeping "online" discussion talk to a minimum since the Xbox Live just jumped ahead by a few steps with Vista integration and cross platform gameplay.

 

[TheRyuu]

Hopefully the Xbox 360 will drop in price a little between now and the release of the PS3. I'll probably grap one then when it goes down in price again.

The DVD drive in the Xbox still has some life in it yet. I hardly EVER see an Xbox game that is on a Dual Layer DVD. I'm not so sure about Xbox 360 games, but the average size of a Xbox game is 2-3gb. That leaves the 360 with some breathing room so far.

 

[Drayvn]

Well supposedly Sony is dissappointed with the yields from the Cell.

So it doesnt look to good for them right now. And why would they couple so much advanced hardware with a GPU thats this years gen but tweaked a bit. While the Xbox360 has the first gen R600 called the R500 where games that come out later will look better and better and the fact that when the R600 games from the PC and Xbox360 will have better porting as these architectures are nearly the same.

 

[fliguy84]

Originally posted by: gi0rgi0
I really wanted a PS3 but now that gta IV is 360 only and also the announcement of halo 3 I guess its sayonara sony.

Where did you hear that from?

It's coming for both both PS3 and 360

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/grandtheftauto4/news.html?sid=6149747

Edit: I mean GTA IV, not Halo 3

 

[ronnn]

This takes the record in terms of pre-release pre-paper launch hype - feel bad for sony - is hard to win with vapour ware. :thumbsdown:

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: ronnn
This takes the record in terms of pre-release pre-paper launch hype - feel bad for sony - is hard to win with vapour ware. :thumbsdown:

Trust me the vapour ware and the CGI demo's do their tricks. Read some "gaming" forums to see how easily people are manipulated.

 

[BenSkywalker]

No, HDMI is completely Secure line.

And is in no way whatsoever mandated for BluRay media. It is entirely up to the studios.

For everyone else, it would have been better if a system was dedicated for gaming and came with a regular DVD drive to save $300+ Blue-Ray disc cost. I would have rather appreciated 16AF enforced in all games and a G80 derivative graphics card or G70 SLI for that extra cost for true next generation gaming.

Resolution is one thing, but it alone does not determine next generation gaming - graphical detail does. Doom 3 at 640x480 on all high blows Call of Duty 1 at 2048x1536 out of the water. All you need is high textures, high shaders, HDR, etc and even at 640x480 you can blow PC gaming at 1920x1200 if you made a pretty game....But for that you need serious graphics power; and full 1 year after 360, PS3 is nothing special on that front.

So the way to next gen graphics is(a list of ways that explode memory requirements) so what we really need is(a severe limitation on available storage memory)? That's what it comes down to?

There are already mutliple 360 games that are forced into spanning multiple DVD9 disks on the horizon, BluRay is in a realistic sense needed as a storage medium. We are not talking about simple little PC type games here, those don't fare too well on the consoles overall(with a few exceptions). In all honesty after the initial wave of press I'm far more interested in Wii then either of the other two, and I already own a 360- but I'll spend the same amount of money on a PS3 that I had to to pick up a 360($600- MS forces people to spend this much by limiting the supply of premiums and having people piece systems together).

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
The cards have a sort of mini-gyromotion sensor. Like Nintendo Revolute "lite" in terms of feel (so they say).

Yeah, with ONE supporting title, what a joke.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: DaveyTN
My TV only has a DVI input - no HDMI. Would I still be able to watch Blu Ray dvds? Would I need some sort of converter?

No, HDMI is completely Secure line. Besides the need for basic support of the whole AACS and such the end source is the one that is supposed to do the decoding. I don't know how that is handled or whether I am right or wrong on this manner, but basically AACS and DHCP are going to be required for bothe HD-DVD and Blu Ray with Toshiba taking a step back and not requireing it right away for HD media (upconverting still requires Digitally secure line). Blu-Ray might not as by the time it comes out, but if they go that oute it will destroy the reason they have so many Companies back them (less rights for you = more money for them). If that sticks then the low cost BR player becomes $600, even though the cheaper model technically has the player.

This will work for Sony one way, they can let their devlopers uses the 25GB of storeage for games, while Microsoft has to keep companies from using more the the 7.4 GB that DVD DL allows you to write. Eventually games will be labelled Xbox 360 HD only or such but Microsoft will want them to wait as long as possible before they do that. The do have the ability to do Multi disc though, and it will be a while before that bemos needed, so in the end BR in PS3 with No HDMI will be next to useless.

Edit: Sorry one use. Sony can still claim that those BR player count as BR players to win over more support as having the large market share even if HD leads in actually ability to play.

There exists, in a legally gray area, devices that can take an HDCP signal and convert it to just standard DVI. HDMI is just DVI with audio included as well, so it theoretically is possible to turn it into a DVI + audio cable signal.

I suspect that this will be the generation where Microsoft takes the lead in the console market.

A massive marketting push, plus a $150 launch price could potentially put nintendo in the lead and leave Microsoft overshadowed by the more powerful ps3 and the ps3-lite that the nintendo wii will be viewed as. (since both systems will have tilt controller functionality, thus legitimizing it as a true thing for a next gen system to have, so the wii could become entry level next gen, ps3 high level next gen, and xbox 360 just forgotten for not being 'foward thinking')

 

[Velk]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: DaveyTN
My TV only has a DVI input - no HDMI. Would I still be able to watch Blu Ray dvds? Would I need some sort of converter?

No, HDMI is completely Secure line. Besides the need for basic support of the whole AACS and such the end source is the one that is supposed to do the decoding. I don't know how that is handled or whether I am right or wrong on this manner, but basically AACS and DHCP are going to be required for bothe HD-DVD and Blu Ray with Toshiba taking a step back and not requireing it right away for HD media (upconverting still requires Digitally secure line).

I think you are confusing two different things. HDMI is standard similar to network cabling, specifying how to send things and what sort of plugs you should have. It's basically DVI with audio.

HDCP is an end to end encryption scheme.

You can have HDMI without HDCP and you can have HDCP without HDMI.

Further, the downscaling that happens when your TV doesn't have HDCP is set on a per movie basis, and many have said their titles won't have it set for the forseeable future. ( This only makes sense, as doing otherwise would eviscerate their possible market by disqualifying the bulk of HDTV owners ).

 

[dfloyd]

Whats the big deal with this gyro based controllers. To me its in a way stupid.

I remember doing something similar to gyro based gaming when I first got Mario on my very first Nintendo around twenty or so years ago. I would jump with Mario and my hands would fly up but that was because I was a newb. Why would I want to go back to being a newb?

Now I admit aiming might be easier in say 3d shooter type games than with a standard game controller, but lets be reasonable here. People call this gyro based junk nextgen? (Its not nextgen I played something very similar with my first Nintendo, it was called Duckhunt and it had the same IR based technology, just not constantly on).

This is made all that much worse imo because a far superior device for 3d shooters already exists and has existed for over twenty years now. The mouse. Why cant console developers just swallow thier anti pc stance and incorporate a decent mouse type device into their consoles. That would be far superior than this gyro based crap. Dont believe me? I will take anyone on anytime with my mouse keyboard vs this gyro junk.

My point? Please stop saying its such a plus or its next gen or ewww and ahhh, M$ is in trouble because both Wii (Such a stupid name, Nintendo are idiots, they should of kept Revolution for the English speaking market at least) and PS3 because they support tech that makes you look like an idiot while your playing. M$ is not in trouble, right now Wii dont know how it will actually play. Were guessing its cool, but as a PC gamer I dont see how it can compare to a already superior control system so I do not consider it in any way a Next Gen tech. In fact if I had to compare it to any previous device for any console then I would say its almost exactly like the power glove that came out from Nintendo, a worthless joke of a device. I am sure the new controller will have more support, but that still makes it an attempt imo to recreate the wheel, when a superior wheel already exists.

 

[Duvie]

I bought the 360 now and when and if PS3 can deliver to the masses at a more reasonable price with the games I can and will buy it.....However I am a big AV guy and trust me I wouldn't buy a console game system to play my movies....

I will buy a standalone player and likely will be HD-DVD before that point...

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Wii for the Wiin

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Wii for the Wiin

clever

 

[TheHans]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Wii for the Wiin

FTW

Anyway the PS3 has a ripped off motion sensor with less than full 3D motion...plus outrageous prices :S

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: TheHans

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Wii for the Wiin

FTW

Anyway the PS3 has a ripped off motion sensor with less than full 3D motion...plus outrageous prices :S

FTW X2.....despite my Bill Gates comment neither him nor Sony shall be getting my money. It'll be Wii all the way. I've always loved the innovation that comes from Nintendo and nintendo is what I grew up on.

I think they realize that some people, especially those of us who've been gaming for 15-20 years(I'm 21 now and first starting playing NES at age 5) want something different from video games, we dont always want the action bloody FPS run around hair trigger finger twitching games, we want something that will make us go wow that was FUN and innnovative. Something that MS and Sony dont have for me since when I look at the lineup for 360 and PS3 all i see is lots of rehashs of old ideas and sequels....no fun for me.