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DeathReborn

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Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Originally posted by: TheHans
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Wii for the Wiin

FTW

Anyway the PS3 has a ripped off motion sensor with less than full 3D motion...plus outrageous prices :S

FTW X2.....despite my Bill Gates comment neither him nor Sony shall be getting my money. It'll be Wii all the way. I've always loved the innovation that comes from Nintendo and nintendo is what I grew up on.

I think they realize that some people, especially those of us who've been gaming for 15-20 years(I'm 21 now and first starting playing NES at age 5) want something different from video games, we dont always want the action bloody FPS run around hair trigger finger twitching games, we want something that will make us go wow that was FUN and innnovative. Something that MS and Sony dont have for me since when I look at the lineup for 360 and PS3 all i see is lots of rehashs of old ideas and sequels....no fun for me.

I've also been gaming for most of my life (just over 18 years now) and have grown up with the likes of Atari, Sega, Nintendo, Commodore, Amstrad, Amiga, Sony & Microsoft. Now at the dizzy age of 22 I find the games on Nintendo's machines just too cutesy for me. I'm not into kids games, i'm not into cell shaded graphics, i'm not intogames like Resident Evil either. I am into the likes of Final Fantasy, GTA, Gran Turismo etc or in other words games aimed mostly at the 16-31 age group (18+ in some cases). Nintendo have lost me as a customer but i'll play it round a mates if I want to play it.

Gyro... I really hope you can turn it off (like you could Dual Shock).

The Premium PS3 package is cheaper than expected (for the UK) as most expected a £499 price tag, instead we get £350 & £425. All in all quite reasonable.
 
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Originally posted by: DeathReborn
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Originally posted by: TheHans
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Wii for the Wiin

FTW

Anyway the PS3 has a ripped off motion sensor with less than full 3D motion...plus outrageous prices :S

FTW X2.....despite my Bill Gates comment neither him nor Sony shall be getting my money. It'll be Wii all the way. I've always loved the innovation that comes from Nintendo and nintendo is what I grew up on.

I think they realize that some people, especially those of us who've been gaming for 15-20 years(I'm 21 now and first starting playing NES at age 5) want something different from video games, we dont always want the action bloody FPS run around hair trigger finger twitching games, we want something that will make us go wow that was FUN and innnovative. Something that MS and Sony dont have for me since when I look at the lineup for 360 and PS3 all i see is lots of rehashs of old ideas and sequels....no fun for me.

I've also been gaming for most of my life (just over 18 years now) and have grown up with the likes of Atari, Sega, Nintendo, Commodore, Amstrad, Amiga, Sony & Microsoft. Now at the dizzy age of 22 I find the games on Nintendo's machines just too cutesy for me. I'm not into kids games, i'm not into cell shaded graphics, i'm not intogames like Resident Evil either. I am into the likes of Final Fantasy, GTA, Gran Turismo etc or in other words games aimed mostly at the 16-31 age group (18+ in some cases). Nintendo have lost me as a customer but i'll play it round a mates if I want to play it.

Gyro... I really hope you can turn it off (like you could Dual Shock).

The Premium PS3 package is cheaper than expected (for the UK) as most expected a £499 price tag, instead we get £350 & £425. All in all quite reasonable.


actually those prices, if true (link? or have you converted? the US prices are supposed to convert straight over into euros ie $599 = 599 euros) then thats actually not too bad a mere £75 extra for the full blown deal, ill definately pick one up at some point, maybe not right away, ill wait till after christmas or something

i want to buy a new car first much better that the simulated stuff
 

BenSkywalker

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I remember doing something similar to gyro based gaming when I first got Mario on my very first Nintendo around twenty or so years ago. I would jump with Mario and my hands would fly up but that was because I was a newb.

That is a big part of the entire point. Simplifying the control interface to interact with people on an instinctive level.

Why would I want to go back to being a newb?

They don't want people like you- honestly. You are a PC centric sort of gamer, Nin could care less about you. Let Windows and the 360 fight for your miniscule slice of the pie. Nin can not compete there, and there isn't much worth fighting over.

This is made all that much worse imo because a far superior device for 3d shooters already exists and has existed for over twenty years now. The mouse.

I can only assume by this comment you have never actually fired a gun. As of this point I would say it is looking like the mouse has fallen to number three in terms of aiming devices- actual aiming device being first and a touch screen being second.

Dont believe me? I will take anyone on anytime with my mouse keyboard vs this gyro junk.

Sure thing, let's go to the local firing range and see those mad skillz display themselves

My point? Please stop saying its such a plus or its next gen or ewww and ahhh, M$ is in trouble because both Wii and PS3 because they support tech that makes you look like an idiot while your playing.

Because pushing a button to swing a bat is cool- while actually simulating it is not....

MS is in trouble this generation- more because of everything they are doing wrong then anything they have failed to copy from the others. Right now they have Oblivion and nothing for killer apps, and unless GoW hits in time for its delayed yet again date then they will have a full year on the market and one killer app. MS is facing massive issues due to that more then anything else.

M$ is not in trouble, right now Wii dont know how it will actually play. Were guessing its cool, but as a PC gamer I dont see how it can compare to a already superior control system so I do not consider it in any way a Next Gen tech.

As a PC gamer you are insignificant at best. PC games in the US represent ~10% of the market, and that is considerably higher then the percentage of the globabl market. Sony is significantly larger in every market. You realize that you can get a mouse and keyboard setup for almost all of the consoles already, right? The problem is they suck, at best, for the overwhelming majority of games on the market. That is reality. Shooters are a nice niche market, but that is all they are. Any console company that focuses their efforts on that market is DOA- without a doubt.

In fact if I had to compare it to any previous device for any console then I would say its almost exactly like the power glove that came out from Nintendo, a worthless joke of a device.

PowerGlove didn't work. Why not compare it to the WaveBird and how far off the mark Nintendo was there? Obviously wireless controllers have been done before and they never work right, so Nin was clearly out of their minds introducing that new take on an old idea, right? Sony and MS obviously laughed at them and would never consider doing it, right?

I am sure the new controller will have more support, but that still makes it an attempt imo to recreate the wheel, when a superior wheel already exists.

What superior wheel exactly? Want to play GTV- I'll take one of these lousy controllers and you take a mouse? How many laps would I have to beat you by for you to realize why what you are talking about is nonsense?

People like you laughed at the stupid idea behind the DS too- obviously you are in a very small fringe minority.
 

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Hmm...Sony's PS3 doesn't look so good...Xbox 360 looks good but I dunno if I want to spend that amount. Nintendo Wii is Ok, the price is good I think...As long as the gameplay is good

If I get my first game console (yes, sadly) I want to take full advantage of my family's Mitsubishi 55" HDTV
So now the question is...new PC or new console?
 
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PS3 controller looks like an after thought, even though if it aint broke it shouldnt be fixed....the PS2 dual shock pad is one of my favourite. so while i welcome the fact that desgin hasnt changed, i still get the feeling that the controller is abit of an after thought with the tilt function and a mini usb port on the top
 

DeathReborn

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Originally posted by: Drayvn
What about the 6 million active users playing WoW?

Artificially inflated number so all I can say is "6 million... what 6 million?"


otis, the price was quoted on Hexus and confirmed by staff at a local retailer (where I have my pre-order for the full kit & 2 games (tbc)).

Ben, The Wii Remote in no way resembles a firearm so you can't really comapre it to that. A real firearm will be better than the Wii Remote hands down. It won't be long before Logitech or some other company brings out a Keyboard & mouse combo (perhaps something like Zboard) for the PS3/X360 & Wii.
 

BenSkywalker

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The Wii 'firearm' is pictured on this page. That is not a mock up, that is Nintendo's own design.

It won't be long before Logitech or some other company brings out a Keyboard & mouse combo (perhaps something like Zboard) for the PS3/X360 & Wii.

Of course it won't, just like ever other console. And just like every other console, it will only be a miniscule portion of the people who care at all about it.
 

dfloyd

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"Why would I want to go back to being a newb?"

"They don't want people like you- honestly. You are a PC centric sort of gamer, Nin could care less about you. Let Windows and the 360 fight for your miniscule slice of the pie. Nin can not compete there, and there isn't much worth fighting over."

Isnt much worth fighting over? You ever do the math? How many PC GAMERS play WoW (Over Six Million?) This time please do the math before pulling out bogus facts, sure it may not be as huge a amount as the whole world, but anyone saying six million PAYING subscribors arent worth fighting over does not understand the point of running a business at all. Add to this the fact that those are all PC Gamers and probably a minority of PC Gamers (Overall) as most PC Gamers are not MMORPG players. Add to this your PC Centric theory, ok why do I own a Xbox and PS2? I have owned every console out almost since the Atari 2600, including the gamecube, N64, PS1, Turbo Grafix 16 and more. So please keep making incorrect assumptions, its amusing.

This is made all that much worse imo because a far superior device for 3d shooters already exists and has existed for over twenty years now. The mouse.

"I can only assume by this comment you have never actually fired a gun. As of this point I would say it is looking like the mouse has fallen to number three in terms of aiming devices- actual aiming device being first and a touch screen being second."

More fun facts proving you dont know what you are talking about. I have shot and owned tons of guns, my father owns roughly forty rifles right now. Been shooting them since I was about seven, (When I got my first .22). I have shot and owned everything from a H&K Assault Rifle, Mak 90 (Very similar to a AK-47), Desert Eagle .357, to a old ninteen hundreds single shot .22 that weighed hardly anything. So please pull some more bogus numbers out. Pointing devices are not as good for games. Several reasons, not the least of which so many console pointing games dont have a crosshair or a decent set of sights on the device. You ever try pointing from your hip, not aiming down the sights at something and hitting it. Its hard as heck to do, and made even harder when you dont have a visual que as to what your aiming at (As in no CROSSHAIR). So please this is not pointing a rifle at the target, its more like holding a remote and making the remote hit a target that you have no reference as to if you are close are not until you do. So alot of wondering around going on I am sure.

"Dont believe me? I will take anyone on anytime with my mouse keyboard vs this gyro junk.

Sure thing, let's go to the local firing range and see those mad skillz display themselves "

I would love to anytime, Dirty Johns shooting range is about thirty mins away. I have outshot several people with scopes, and that was me without a scope. Put shots at a hundred yards almost exactly through the same bullet hole, so lets talk about those made skillz some more, Mr. Know it All.

"My point? Please stop saying its such a plus or its next gen or ewww and ahhh, M$ is in trouble because both Wii and PS3 because they support tech that makes you look like an idiot while your playing.

Because pushing a button to swing a bat is cool- while actually simulating it is not...."

Right, but theres a problem with what your saying. ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WII. Your not swinging a bat, your holding a little tiny device in your hand that does not give you the physical resistance and feel that a bat would. Why do you think I feel like fishing games are silly, because I have actually fished. The fish pulls against you, nothing even close on the Wii. Instead your going to swinging your hand and imagining your holding a sword. So please talk about what were actually talking about.

"MS is in trouble this generation- more because of everything they are doing wrong then anything they have failed to copy from the others. Right now they have Oblivion and nothing for killer apps, and unless GoW hits in time for its delayed yet again date then they will have a full year on the market and one killer app. MS is facing massive issues due to that more then anything else."

I disagree, M$ has alot of very fun apps. You dont have to have X KILLER apps to be able to have a good console. And have you went by www.gametrailers.com lately? M$ has quite a few killer looking apps coming out. Whats PS3 or Wii got out?

"M$ is not in trouble, right now Wii dont know how it will actually play. Were guessing its cool, but as a PC gamer I dont see how it can compare to a already superior control system so I do not consider it in any way a Next Gen tech.

As a PC gamer you are insignificant at best. PC games in the US represent ~10% of the market, and that is considerably higher then the percentage of the globabl market. Sony is significantly larger in every market. You realize that you can get a mouse and keyboard setup for almost all of the consoles already, right? The problem is they suck, at best, for the overwhelming majority of games on the market. That is reality. Shooters are a nice niche market, but that is all they are. Any console company that focuses their efforts on that market is DOA- without a doubt."

Love how you use the term insignificant so freely, and complelty IGNORE WHAT I AM SAYING. I am saying why cant CONSOLE, please read that last word again, developers use a superior device that has been out for years. I am not saying be a PC Gamer, I am saying the mouse is superior to a pointer AND a touch screen as I have used and have both. What kind of pointer works? A laser pointer because it gives visual feedback of what your pointing at, you just have to guess with a silly device like this.

"In fact if I had to compare it to any previous device for any console then I would say its almost exactly like the power glove that came out from Nintendo, a worthless joke of a device.

PowerGlove didn't work. Why not compare it to the WaveBird and how far off the mark Nintendo was there? Obviously wireless controllers have been done before and they never work right, so Nin was clearly out of their minds introducing that new take on an old idea, right? Sony and MS obviously laughed at them and would never consider doing it, right?"

Because the wavebird is not a pointer, its wireless, its TOTALLY DIFFERENT! Its more like M$'s Xbox 360s controllers, not a gyro based pointer.

"I am sure the new controller will have more support, but that still makes it an attempt imo to recreate the wheel, when a superior wheel already exists.

What superior wheel exactly? Want to play GTV- I'll take one of these lousy controllers and you take a mouse? How many laps would I have to beat you by for you to realize why what you are talking about is nonsense?"

You would first have to beat me period, I dont believe this goofy controller will be at all profiecent at racing games. For one holding a straghit away looks impossible, just watch their own demos of that one racing game they have shown. The person is constantly zagging back and fourth.

People like you laughed at the stupid idea behind the DS too- obviously you are in a very small fringe minority.[/quote]

People like me? You have no idea what I am like. You see my opinion on one thing and think I am a certain way. Which I have proven your not a very good judge of character based on your above incorrect assumptions. I stand by my point. That point is, why do developers not make a mouse like device for their consoles THAT CAN BE USED IN ALL GAMES, not the one you can just type with and select things, but one that can be used in all games. And I can almost guarantee that the mouse is far superior as a gaming device when compared to the Wiis controller system. Sure its a neat gimmick and will be fun to play with but that doesnt make it better than a mouse. Nothing to do with PC Gaming as you so obviously are not able to comprehend. Its to do with why create something like this when something better could be used that already exists?
 

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Usually having a stock or some sort of support against your shoulder helps you aim a rifle very well because its a pivot point.

If its a pistol then the front and rear sight help as well as having a decent amount of wait to stabilise the weapon also.

The Wii controller doesnt have anything like that.

And yes ive played around with many weapons, from springfields all the way up to L85s and AK47 though ive never been able to get hold of a M4 or M16 variant
 

BenSkywalker

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Isnt much worth fighting over? You ever do the math? How many PC GAMERS play WoW (Over Six Million?)

PS2 installed base= 107Million users. Besides that though- we were talking about Nin. If you were talking about Squenix that would be something different. Take that 6Million users paying $15 a month to play, a whopping $90 Million dollars. Nintendo moves over $20 Million in DS hardware in one week in one territory.

This time please do the math before pulling out bogus facts, sure it may not be as huge a amount as the whole world, but anyone saying six million PAYING subscribors arent worth fighting over does not understand the point of running a business at all.

Investment versus potential ROI. It certainly is not there for Nin when considering a MMORPG- they are far too conservative with their investments to even approach anything like that- of course you would need to understand business to put a good grasp on their investment history.

More fun facts proving you dont know what you are talking about.

I stated assume- I never stated it was fact.

Pointing devices are not as good for games. Several reasons, not the least of which so many console pointing games dont have a crosshair or a decent set of sights on the device.

Could you name, oh I don't know- one of them?

So please this is not pointing a rifle at the target, its more like holding a remote and making the remote hit a target that you have no reference as to if you are close are not until you do.

Every game shown so far has a crosshair on screen wherever you are pointed. What was your point again?

I would love to anytime, Dirty Johns shooting range is about thirty mins away. I have outshot several people with scopes, and that was me without a scope.

Always prefer iron sights myself too.

Put shots at a hundred yards almost exactly through the same bullet hole

So from close to point blank you can shoot somewhat decently. Let's back that up a bit- we'll go to 400 yards. I'll grab my AR-15 using iron sights and you grab your rifle of choice and see how those mousing skills are helping you out

Right, but theres a problem with what your saying. ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WII. Your not swinging a bat, your holding a little tiny device in your hand that does not give you the physical resistance and feel that a bat would.

You are controlling the angle of the swing and the velocity directly. Nothing like your uber mouse and button combination to you apparently, but much better then my mouse I can assure you.

Why do you think I feel like fishing games are silly, because I have actually fished. The fish pulls against you, nothing even close on the Wii. Instead your going to swinging your hand and imagining your holding a sword. So please talk about what were actually talking about.

So your mouse actually pulls back for you. That is what this discussion is- how much better your ultimate interactive mouse is then the Wii's controller- I want to hear how your mouse is so much better for those types of games.

I disagree, M$ has alot of very fun apps.

Which ones? You are giving me a strong impression that you don't actually own a 360.

And have you went by www.gametrailers.com lately? M$ has quite a few killer looking apps coming out.

I don't have to go to gametrailers, MS has put their upcoming game clips all on Live, I can actually even play many of the demos that are being shown on the floor of E3 right on my own 360. Overwhelmingly they look very weak. Sure, GoW looks killer- after that there is a huge fall off.

Love how you use the term insignificant so freely, and complelty IGNORE WHAT I AM SAYING. I am saying why cant CONSOLE, please read that last word again, developers use a superior device that has been out for years.

You are free to use a mouse on console games now- people don't want them. They are available and working for the PS2 and the XBox- you have to ask yourself why you don't use them.

I am saying the mouse is superior to a pointer AND a touch screen as I have used and have both. What kind of pointer works? A laser pointer because it gives visual feedback of what your pointing at, you just have to guess with a silly device like this.

It would be almost as silly as you sound if there were no crosshairs- but there are.

You would first have to beat me period, I dont believe this goofy controller will be at all profiecent at racing games. For one holding a straghit away looks impossible, just watch their own demos of that one racing game they have shown.

Which racing game? I've seen lots of demos of Cars and Excitetruck and the only weaving I have seen is when they were driving around something, but maybe I'm watching the wrong footage. As far as beating you period- grab your mouse and let's go. Which game, which track? GT4, Forza, PGR- which one? You try and steer with your mouse and keyboard and I will bury you

That point is, why do developers not make a mouse like device for their consoles THAT CAN BE USED IN ALL GAMES, not the one you can just type with and select things, but one that can be used in all games.

Because the only people who want mouse support on consoles are PC centric gamers. How would you go about playing Ratchet and Clank with a mouse? If you want to use a mouse in shooters it will work in pretty much all of them- although on a console they tend to suck. Go ahead and browse every console forum you can find- console gamers don't like using a mouse for gaming overwhelmingly because it sucks(ask them). The Wii's controller is without a shadow of a doubt vastly superior to a mouse for a console controller and it isn't really close.

If its a pistol then the front and rear sight help as well as having a decent amount of wait to stabilise the weapon also.

If there is no recoil- what are you worried about stabilizing for? Have problems with shaky hands....?
 

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Ben man your just empty of it. You selectivly post partial posts of what I stated and reply to just part of the post so that you come out looking like you somehow made a correct statement. Fact is I have seen several games with no crosshair, at least in the videos on G4 and on Game Trailers (And why download anything with 360, its slower than crap compared to the exact same connection on the PC, turst me i know this from first hand experience). Also what demos are you downloading as I dont see the ones your talking about. Just got MotoGP3 though, other than that have not seen many of the next gen actual demos, just the videos. And maybe your right claiming PC gamers are the ones who want Mouse/Keyboard support, but ever stop and think why? I have used just about every control contraption out and nothing comes close to the mouse keyboard. And I never asked for Big N to make a mmorpg, I was just proving you wrong by showing Wows subscribor numbers when you stated Pc gamers were insignificant. I guess by your measurment ninety million a month is insignificant. If you think for a second any of these companies would not like ninety million more a month your sillier than I thought. So your wrong, PC gamers are not insignifcant as you stated.

How do you know the Wiis controller is vastly superior? Is it because you saw big Ns video of the people doing set poses, not actual gamers, making it look easy? I saw actual gamers and none made it look easy, most were over compensating heavily as again there is no FEEDBACK to truly justify the feel of striking someone with a sword. And believe me I never said the idea is a bad one, I never stated it would not work, only that in 3D Shooters I dont see how it can work. Right now Big N is compensating for the weakeness's of the Wiis control system. How are they doing this you ask? By making games simpler, taking away freedom. I saw Samus circle strafeing without the Wii being moved. How did they do this? With lock on only, would be impossible otherwise with this type of control system. I dont want the game aiming for me thank you very much.

And I will grab my mouse and attempt to beat you at any game period with this control system. I never said a word about PS2, or Xbox, or whatever. I said with this control system. I am pretty good at MotoGP3 but normally I dont touch racings games, boring as hell to me going around and around and around. I like a little bit of variety in my competition, reason I play RPGs, 3d Shooters, and so on. So again read my original statement and prove to me you will beat me in a 3d shooter with the Wiis wiwi. Perfect name for this little bitty thing. The wiwi.

As far as four hundred yds goes never attempted to shoot that far so honestly not sure how I would do, I rarely use a scope and I am sure you would have to at that range so would take some practice for me, but that still does not change the fact that you were completly wrong when you claimed I never touched a gun before, please be man enough to admit everything you assumed about me was wrong. But you were assuming, know what happens when you assume things?

As far as controllers go were going to have to agree to disagree as of right now and probably EVER there will be no way to prove one way or the other. Big N dont have the balls to make a game that would be cross platform compataible (True Innovation) so no chance we will ever be able to pit one against the other. And as far as a Xbox and PS2 keyboard I have not tried one yet, but if its like a PC (Smooth and fast) it would be a heck of alot easier to aim more precisely than either controller. Why do you think Xbox 360 specially stated that they would not allow a gaming based Keyboard Mouse combo? M$s own words, it would give keyboard mouse users a large advantage in aiming over gamepad users. Guess you know more than M$ though.

As far as which racing game was zagging lmao. Are you ready to eat your words? Say Yum Yum!
 
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hang on how exactly does the wiimote work, ive just read that its Infa Red....... if your swinging it about like a looney surely its not gonna be in contact all the time?
 

dfloyd

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wiimote lol, thats as good as the wiwi. And yes looking at the G4 videos when Adam Sessler was playing the sword game he looked like he was losing contact quite a bit, of course he was overcompensating as well so draw your own conclusion?
 

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why would they go with infrared technology......? my god it's 2006, use RF/Bluetooth or something besides goddamn IR.
 

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Anyone have a good link that show how that pointing device work? I was amazed at the light gun Nintendo introduced with the NES. Now that it's here again, I want to know
 

BenSkywalker

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Show me a Wii game where you are shooting without a crosshair. Please, I want to see this. You must have something connected wrong with your 360- mine is DLing at the same rate as my PC- and I wonder why anyone would rather watch vid clips in HD on a much larger screen instead of enjoying shaky cam grainy webzine footage.....

Besides MotoGP, Lost Planet, and TD:Unlimited are all available in the Marketplace- same spot MotoGP is available. PC gamers want to see mouse support for first person shooters- that is why. They should stay on the PC if that is what they are looking for. You ever stop to realize that out of the ~170Million users of current generation consoles maybe a few of them have used a mouse to play a game before? Most of them likely realize that it is horrific compared to a controller for most games.

By the industry standards 90Million is not that much. Of course any of the companies would love to have that kind of extra cash, they would also love to have an extra $100,000 a month too. The console industry talks in terms of billions of dollars, not tens of millions. As the link I posted for you shows, in one territory Nin pulls down $20Million a week of the sales of one hardware platform. You talk as if $90Million on a world wide basis per month is significant- it most certainly isn't. PC gamers are insignificant in the broader market, you are talking about a several billion dollar a month industry on a world wide basis- not tens of millions.

You did talk about the PS2 and XBox when you stated that the mouse was the best control system there was. That means you get to take a mouse, I'll use a wheel and we'll race. I am no where near stupid enough to claim one type of control interface is best for everything.

If you are good enough(I'm not) you can shoot fairly accurately from 600 yards without a scope, that's the farthest I've seen done repeatedly with iron sites.

but that still does not change the fact that you were completly wrong when you claimed I never touched a gun before

I can only assume by this comment you have never actually fired a gun.

Are you not capable of understanding what that sentence means? Feel free to try and find anywhere where I said anything about you not actually touching a gun before. It is not my fault if you don't understand the English language and jump to very erroneous conclusions.

Big N dont have the balls to make a game that would be cross platform compataible (True Innovation) so no chance we will ever be able to pit one against the other.

You have no idea whatsoever what the word innovation means if you think that this sentence is accurate. I can't believe you honestly think for a second that innovation is making a cross platform title, so I can only assume this is 100% trolling.

As far as which racing game was zagging lmao. Are you ready to eat your words?

Reading comprehension is good for me and you

Which racing game? I've seen lots of demos of Cars and Excitetruck and the only weaving I have seen is when they were driving around something, but maybe I'm watching the wrong footage.

Ignoring that though, the guy crashed a few times driving a truck over uneven terrain while under boost- is that your indication of major problems....?

Also- really want to see this shooting game that doesn't have a crosshair. Not saying it doesn't exist, but you implied that this footage is readily available and I can't find it.
 

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I just bought a dvd player from wal-mart that I'm pretty sure it has a HDMI hookup and it came with a converter to DVI. I plugged the DVI in the back of my tv along with the a/v sound cables. Was only like 50 bucks. for the player
 

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Ben I give up, you ignore common sense when you post friend. First you imply that PC gamers are insignificant and Big N does not want them, I show you numbers to prove they are not insignifcant, and then you post saying sure they would want them. Which is it? As far as understanding what Assume means, yes I understand it quite well thank you. Why not reply to your other two comments where you did not assume anything? Forgot them?

And about the assumption part, your the one who has reading comprehension problems. You dont even understand what you posted. Definition of Assume as it pertains to your statement right from Merriam-Webster online:

"To take as granted or true."

So you assuming I have never shot a gun is you taking for granted that it was true. You were wrong and all I did was show you that.

"They don't want people like you- honestly. You are a PC centric sort of gamer, Nin could care less about you. Let Windows and the 360 fight for your miniscule slice of the pie. Nin can not compete there, and there isn't much worth fighting over. "

A statement that you made that was wrong, not a assumption. Console developers want all the customers they can get. And adding a keyboard mouse to a console is not a huge expenditure for any company, the tech is already developed, so adding it would only increase the amount of systems, and components sold. And if you think Big N wont sell just about any component they can to make more money your sorely mistaken. Just take one look at their marketing history, from the silly little robot, to the light gun, to the power glove, to them tieing the GBA and Gamecube together in games so you have to buy both. They are all about marketing and selling extra components.

"Sure thing, let's go to the local firing range and see those mad skillz display themselves "

Another statement, not a assumption, implying I do not know how to fire a gun nor have ever used one.

"As a PC gamer you are insignificant at best."

Another statement, not a assumption, that your wrong on, most PC Gamers also play consoles. So why are we insignificant again? Is it because we spend more money overall on games and systems than the average console gamer? My PC cost alone is probably more than the majority of console gamers spend in a years time on their console. Not to mention the fact that I purchase lots of consoles and games as well.

And saying cross platform compatiability is not innovation just shows ignorance of what innovation is friend. Any introduction of something new is innovation, so adding cross platform compatibility to a console that did not have it is adding something new.

"Which racing game? I've seen lots of demos of Cars and Excitetruck and the only weaving I have seen is when they were driving around something, but maybe I'm watching the wrong footage."

As I proved friend, you are. And yes reading comprhension is good, in fact its my best subject all through school and college. Scored twelth grade level in fifth grade in reading comprehension. Try it, its fun. And he crashed more than a few times, he could not keep the truck on the road, was obvious he was having a hard time controlling it. That was my point, sorry you missed it.

"Also- really want to see this shooting game that doesn't have a crosshair. Not saying it doesn't exist, but you implied that this footage is readily available and I can't find it."

Again as you stated Reading Comprehension is good. Below is what I posted:

"Fact is I have seen several games with no crosshair"

I never said a word about shooters only, your changing what I said friend, please try your own advice.
 

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I own a good amount of Sony devices. They have a lot of neat features and most are really great products. However, Sony is so back asswards about compatibility with other devices you can't really use anything unless you have everything sony... its sickening. Yeah sure, you can stream video over the network from a Sony computer with a tv tuner.. But you have to have Sony computers as clients. Thats just one of the many things that piss me off about them as a company. Not to mention, they go out of their way to make "accessories" for products by neutering the original product..

Needless to say, I won't be buying PS3 - nor anything Sony. It seems as if they will never learn from their mistakes, and never *adopt* standards.
 
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