here we go! Wisconsin recount is happening

[Londo_Jowo]

Not sure if a recount will happen in Pennsylvania as it has to be appealed in court. If it doesn't occur there's no way Clinton can reach 270 EC votes.

 

[K1052]

Trump is whining on twitter again about he recounts. Going to be a long four years if he feels he has to extensively air all the things he's annoyed with public for no conceivable political reason.

 

[sportage]

This whole thing is beginning to stink to high heaven.
WHY...? Would the republicans and especially the Trump organization act so upset?
In every other instance people would assume the election was legit, the votes and counts accurate, and the people spoke.
So in every other instance calling for any recount of the votes in any state would simply proceed without incident.
""Ok. Do the recount, if that makes you feel better.""
But this is not the case here.....
They, this Trump organization, appear to be outraged.
And that makes no sense unless they fear the voting process was indeed messed with, tampered with, and rigged at the ballot level favoring Donald Trump.

Something about how they are reacting sounds like they expect a bad outcome from all this recounting. That something, somehow, will be exposed proving there was indeed tampering and messing within the process to give Trump the advantage.

So.... lets play my favorite game of WHAT IF.
WHAT IF the recount does indeed prove the process involved ballot tampering and that Hillary actually won the election.
So what then?
Do we just accept a rigged fraudulent election outcome and go with Donald Trump?
Or would this qualify as a crime, whether the Trump organization was directly involved or not, would this justify denying Trump his victory and justify handing the keys to the Whitehouse over to Hillary Clinton?

Should the US Supreme Court get involved with the possibility of validating legitimacy to an illegitimate US election?
Should those that supported and voted Hillary simply accept this illegitimate Trump victory as legitimate for the sake of patriotic duty? To keep the national peace?
And if this recount should prove ballot tampering handing the losing candidate a winning majority, what does that say about the American election system as a whole?
Can we trust the result of any past election, not to mention future?
Can we ever again trust the process from the local level up to and including the federal level?

It doesn't make sense.
Why those that support Trump should be so outraged about a little recount?
Or even two or three state recounts?
Especially if they truly do believe they won the election fair and honest?
Something in their reaction just smells to high heaven.
It actually smells of probable fraudulent activity on Trump's part.
It's like they know something, expect something that they very very much fear.

 

[Bitek]

I highly doubt they will find anything substantial, however it's worth the exercise given Russia's heavy hand in electing Trump.

It's also worth always making clear the right has no mandate. Republican rule is minority rule. It only exists due to the archaic electoral college and aggressive gerrymandering.

Republicans can't win in a fair fight, that's why they always play so dirty.

 

[Commodus]

Nobody has to "get over" anything. We're actually providing a service here. We're planting seeds of doubt that may help many of the left survive another disappointment because the recount will still result in Trump being the president.

Our posts are based in compassion.

I would probably avoid the hubris of assuming that everything's settled. You may well be right, but remember how Clinton fans were certain she'd win the election the first time around? Pride goeth before a fall and all that.

 

[michal1980]

Trump is whining on twitter again about he recounts. Going to be a long four years if he feels he has to extensively air all the things he's annoyed with public for no conceivable political reason.

dems are whinning in the real world with recounts.

 

[michal1980]

I highly doubt they will find anything substantial, however it's worth the exercise given Russia's heavy hand in electing Trump.

It's also worth always making clear the right has no mandate. Republican rule is minority rule. It only exists due to the archaic electoral college and aggressive gerrymandering.

Republicans can't win in a fair fight, that's why they always play so dirty.

proof of this heavy handed Russian involvement? or more innuendo from the Clinton camp?

 

[kage69]

I highly doubt they will find anything substantial, however it's worth the exercise given Russia's heavy hand in electing Trump.

Pretty much how I feel about it. C'mon pubs, what happened to the fondness of trusting after verifying? Funny to hear righties bitch about the money needed for this though, that money could be needed for another Benghazi hearing, right? lol

It's also worth always making clear the right has no mandate. Republican rule is minority rule. It only exists due to the archaic electoral college and aggressive gerrymandering.

Republicans can't win in a fair fight, that's why they always play so dirty.

I'd love to see the republicans try to stand on their own without gerrymandering or voter suppression. It would probably be ugly, but they would still sqawk about having a mandate (a term they've been very confused about for almost 17 years).

 

[K1052]

dems are whinning in the real world with recounts.

Take it up with the Green party voters.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Take it up with the Green party voters.

Why assert leadership when the irrelevant third party can do it for you

 

[Starbuck1975]

This slime, specifically-



Now that a recount will happen, the Clinton campaign intends to participate for the reasons stated here-

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...pports-recount-efforts-in-battleground-states

The Democratic base basically demands it now that Stein has made it a reality. Clinton obviously didn't set out to joust at windmills.

I figure Trump has nothing to fear but that doesn't mean he's not all twitchy about it.

Recounts are a regular feature of democracy, anyway.

So if we're jousting at windmills, this is all a political stunt and the Clinton campaign chose to follow rather than lead

 

[K1052]

Why assert leadership when the irrelevant third party can do it for you

Or maybe Trump shouldn't be such a poor winner. One statement from his campaign would have been sufficient. Instead we get his stream of conscience moaning about life being unfair to politicians. Lol.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why assert leadership when the irrelevant third party can do it for you

Same slime, different day.

That's because you proceed from a false premise, that Clinton wanted recounts. That proposition flies in the face of the fact that she never asked for them. It's conspiracy theory.

Now that recount(s) will occur, she has to go along with it as a matter of law & of honoring the sentiments of the Dem base.

 

[Moonbeam]

I highly doubt they will find anything substantial, however it's worth the exercise given Russia's heavy hand in electing Trump.

It's also worth always making clear the right has no mandate. Republican rule is minority rule. It only exists due to the archaic electoral college and aggressive gerrymandering.

Republicans can't win in a fair fight, that's why they always play so dirty.

Actually Republicans can't win in a sane fight. That's why they have spent billions of dollars making the American people psychotic, fearful, resentful and angry little stooges. We have one party that is a cancer that is destroying the binding fabric of the nation. We create what we fear and we reap what we sow. Welcome to the product of your madness. All the health that was immune to your illness is aware of what you have done. Prepare to be loved for it in the way that you love yourselves, with a massive plate of contempt, spite, and hate. Welcome to the machine that's a mirror. You have murdered your country by your own hands. Get ready for the complaints. As you have done so will be done to you. You will be destroyed mercilessly and without compromise like the Nazi party as your leader tweets from his bunker. The shit has hit the fan. You have loosed a madman on the land and expected nobody to react. Too funny!

 

[Starbuck1975]

Or maybe Trump shouldn't be such a poor winner. One statement from his campaign would have been sufficient. Instead we get his stream of conscience moaning about life being unfair to politicians. Lol.

He reaps what he sowed.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Same slime, different day.

That's because you proceed from a false premise, that Clinton wanted recounts. That proposition flies in the face of the fact that she never asked for them. It's conspiracy theory.

Now that recount(s) will occur, she has to go along with it as a matter of law & of honoring the sentiments of the Dem base.

Convenient. Or she could assert leadership and caution her supporters that the recount is an exercise in futility.

Slime is a fun replacent for FUD by the way. I was growing weary of it.

 

[buckshot24]

Who is it that would ask this question?

Irrelevant, do you have an answer?

 

[pcgeek11]

Re-count away.

Has anyone read the odds of this turning out any different results. Not gonna happen in my opinion.

 

[Commodus]

Re-count away.

Has anyone read the odds of this turning out any different results. Not gonna happen in my opinion.

I still see it this way: yes, the odds of a major upset are slim. But given suspicions of Russian interference or other voting irregularities, I don't think it hurts to conduct recounts if there's no significant expense to the public (and from the sounds of it, there shouldn't be). It either confirms that the vote was largely what we were told it was, or makes significant corrections that get us to where we should be.

 

[pcgeek11]

I still see it this way: yes, the odds of a major upset are slim. But given suspicions of Russian interference or other voting irregularities, I don't think it hurts to conduct recounts if there's no significant expense to the public (and from the sounds of it, there shouldn't be). It either confirms that the vote was largely what we were told it was, or makes significant corrections that get us to where we should be.

I agree, even though I feel like it is a waste of money. As long as the dummies are willing to pay for it go ahead IMO. I do find it Ironic that Hillary has jumped on the band wagon considering all the rude comments she made about Trump possibly not honoring the results....

 

[JSt0rm]

If the recount happens and trump is still on top it's actually better for him then the alternative speculation that will run on and on about Russian hacks.

We know they infiltrated the election process to sway dumb voters. Now we just need to see if they went further then that. Maybe the polls were right all along. Maybe this polling anomaly is because of interference. Maybe not though. We will see.

 

[Commodus]

I agree, even though I feel like it is a waste of money. As long as the dummies are willing to pay for it go ahead IMO. I do find it Ironic that Hillary has jumped on the band wagon considering all the rude comments she made about Trump possibly not honoring the results....

Clinton's remarks were made partly in the belief that she had the election sewn up, but there are different circumstances.

Trump made his statements because he assumed almost from the get-go that the elections would be rigged against him, and effectively declared that any outcome where he didn't win was proof of rigging. It came from one of Trump's central character flaws: his sense of entitlement, that he's owed everything he wants.

The Clinton camp is certainly a bit hypocritical, but its jumping on the recount bandwagon is different than what Trump was saying. It's not just that Trump won -- it's that he won by such a small margin that, combined with suspicions of Russian interference and other tampering, there's a genuine concern that something could be amiss. Think of it as the differences between students questioning marks on their term papers. It's one thing if you question your grade because you see a mark that doesn't seem right, but it's another if you question it simply because you believe you were predestined to get an A.

 

[JSt0rm]

they said they are jumping on to ensure they have representation during the recount. Nothing wrong with that. They also said they had statistical scientists look everything over before and they didn't see any irregularities. So who cares. Trump whining about this is fucking hilarious though. Its going to be a long, stupid 4 years.

 

[baydude]

It doesn't make sense.
Why those that support Trump should be so outraged about a little recount?
Or even two or three state recounts?
Especially if they truly do believe they won the election fair and honest?
Something in their reaction just smells to high heaven.
It actually smells of probable fraudulent activity on Trump's part.
It's like they know something, expect something that they very very much fear.

How would Hillary supporters feel if she won and Trump requested recount of only states he lost while ignoring all the states he won?

Also, Hillary won New Hampshire by less than 3,000 votes. Why isn't there a recount there when these other 3 states are 10k+ margin?


If the recount was really to prove the integrity of the voting system in the US rather than serving the interests of one party like the democrats and Green Party claim, why not do a random selection of states?

 

[JSt0rm]

How would Hillary supporters feel if she won and Trump requested recount of only states he lost while ignoring all the states he won?

Also, Hillary won New Hampshire by less than 3,000 votes. Why isn't there a recount there when these other 3 states are 10k+ margin?


If the recount was really to prove the integrity of the voting system in the US rather than serving the interests of one party like the democrats and Green Party claim, why not do a random selection of states?

If hacking irregularities are found we should recount all these close states.