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buckshot24

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Oh, I'm sorry, the conspiracy theory that he pulled out of his ass (or maybe Alex Jones' ass). Either way: Stein is at least trying to look for evidence, Trump has none and hasn't signalled any intention to look for it.
Maybe I missed the conspiracy theory but Trump doesn't need to provide any evidence, he got more votes in those states and will be certified winner if nothing else changes in them and why would Trump call for a recount? Hardly something that I'd expect reasonable people to hold against him.
 

JSt0rm

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trump is dog whistling out his peeps with that illegals voting thing. Dangerous man.
 

Commodus

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Maybe I missed the conspiracy theory but Trump doesn't need to provide any evidence, he got more votes in those states and will be certified winner if nothing else changes in them and why would Trump call for a recount? Hardly something that I'd expect reasonable people to hold against him.

He needs to provide evidence because it's an extremely serious allegation. He's the President-elect of the US. Do you want the leader of the country to be someone who lies in such an egregious and harmful way? I'm reminded of how he lied about what he discussed with Mexico's President Nieto... you have a future head of state who has no compunction about telling complete fabrications that could damage both his reputation and those of others.

No, I wouldn't expect a President-elect to call for a recount. But I would expect him to avoid floating unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, especially when they won't even have a material impact on the election. That's not just dangerous (do you want a country led by someone who doesn't care at all about the truth?), it's petty and childish.
 

K1052

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President-elect Tiny Angy Fingers must have landed in NYC. He's back on twitter alleging "serious voter fraud" specifically in Virginia, New Hampshire, and California. As a bonus wondering out lout why the "biased" media is't covering that.
 

buckshot24

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He needs to provide evidence because it's an extremely serious allegation. He's the President-elect of the US. Do you want the leader of the country to be someone who lies in such an egregious and harmful way? I'm reminded of how he lied about what he discussed with Mexico's President Nieto... you have a future head of state who has no compunction about telling complete fabrications that could damage both his reputation and those of others.

No, I wouldn't expect a President-elect to call for a recount. But I would expect him to avoid floating unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, especially when they won't even have a material impact on the election. That's not just dangerous (do you want a country led by someone who doesn't care at all about the truth?), it's petty and childish.
I didn't see what he said about the illegal voters. I wouldn't call that a lie just an unfounded statement. If he believes it is true then he isn't lying. Without adequate evidence he shouldn't be making the suggestion.
 

boomerang

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Do you want the leader of the country to be someone who lies in such an egregious and harmful way?
Let us know when he reaches the level of Obama. That guy foisted a horrendous health care plan on the nation by telling lie after lie after lie and I'm just scratching the surface of the lies he's told. And Hillary, she's a congenital liar. She is unable to tell the truth in regards to anything.

What's becoming clear is that Trump is being ostracized because he's a white man. People like yourself would have little in the way of criticism for him if he were black. It's just racism plain and simple.
 

Pens1566

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He's basing the claim off an infowars story. Great. Won't take intel briefings and is spouting off about infowars. What could go wrong? /wrists
 

buckshot24

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What's becoming clear is that Trump is being ostracized because he's a white man. People like yourself would have little in the way of criticism for him if he were black. It's just racism plain and simple.
The immunity only comes with black liberals, black conservatives are attacked viciously.
 

Jhhnn

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I didn't see what he said about the illegal voters. I wouldn't call that a lie just an unfounded statement. If he believes it is true then he isn't lying. Without adequate evidence he shouldn't be making the suggestion.

Try as they might, Repubs have *never* substantiated significant voter fraud after a decade of efforts. It's bullshit. Trump knows it's bullshit that his supporters will gladly wallow in, however. It's the story of his success- utter insincerity.

It's quite remarkable that the winner would try to discredit the electoral system. It's a way for him to claim that he won despite the system being rigged against him, some rather nifty self aggrandizement of a Strong Leader.
 

nickqt

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Let us know when he reaches the level of Obama. That guy foisted a horrendous health care plan on the nation by telling lie after lie after lie and I'm just scratching the surface of the lies he's told. And Hillary, she's a congenital liar. She is unable to tell the truth in regards to anything.

What's becoming clear is that Trump is being ostracized because he's a white man. People like yourself would have little in the way of criticism for him if he were black. It's just racism plain and simple.
Let the projection and cognitive dissonance flow.
 

Jhhnn

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Let us know when he reaches the level of Obama. That guy foisted a horrendous health care plan on the nation by telling lie after lie after lie and I'm just scratching the surface of the lies he's told. And Hillary, she's a congenital liar. She is unable to tell the truth in regards to anything.

What's becoming clear is that Trump is being ostracized because he's a white man. People like yourself would have little in the way of criticism for him if he were black. It's just racism plain and simple.

Yeh, all the white people criticizing Trump are obvious racists.
 

michal1980

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Recounting is not undermining the legitimacy of the elections. The reality is after the recount trump will have even more legitimacy then he does now. But you are a fearful little person.
you brought up Russian hackers.
 

Commodus

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Let us know when he reaches the level of Obama. That guy foisted a horrendous health care plan on the nation by telling lie after lie after lie and I'm just scratching the surface of the lies he's told. And Hillary, she's a congenital liar. She is unable to tell the truth in regards to anything.

What's becoming clear is that Trump is being ostracized because he's a white man. People like yourself would have little in the way of criticism for him if he were black. It's just racism plain and simple.

He makes Obama and Clinton look like saints, I'm afraid. (No, really: fact checkers have demonstrated that Trump lied far more often than Clinton during the campaign, and that many of the "crooked Hillary" claims were lies.)

And no, Trump is not being ostracized because he's a white man. It's because he's a habitual liar (he lies even when he'll easily be caught), demonstrably clueless in politics, racist, sexist, egocentric and petty. If Ben Carson or Carly Fiorina had won the primaries, I'd be giving them hell too -- they're both pretty ignorant and play fast and loose with facts.
 

Sunburn74

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Let us know when he reaches the level of Obama. That guy foisted a horrendous health care plan on the nation by telling lie after lie after lie and I'm just scratching the surface of the lies he's told. And Hillary, she's a congenital liar. She is unable to tell the truth in regards to anything.

What's becoming clear is that Trump is being ostracized because he's a white man. People like yourself would have little in the way of criticism for him if he were black. It's just racism plain and simple.
Dude are you even a real person?
 

Grooveriding

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You just know Trump is laughing his ass off posting these, knowing it will trigger the left.

Trump is a degenerate piece of shit. What is worse, taking advantage of dumb people who believe this garbage he spreads, or him actually being crazy enough that he believes this shit. Pick your poison, either way you're left with a moron for your President. What a joke. Sad!
 

MrSquished

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There isn't a set standard for what a landslide is in the EC. Unless you can cite one, maybe I missed it.

it's certainly not getting 30 more electoral votes than you needed to win I can tell you that much. A landslide is an overwhelming victory. Probably something closer to 400 electoral votes, not around 300.
 

buckshot24

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it's certainly not getting 30 more electoral votes than you needed to win I can tell you that much. A landslide is an overwhelming victory. Probably something closer to 400 electoral votes, not around 300.
Why not? Seems to be too subjective to be criticizing Trump on.
 

MrSquished

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Why not? Seems to be too subjective to be criticizing Trump on.

Just calling out your hero for bullshitting anywhere and on anything he can. I know you want to protect him.

There was nothing overwhelming about a modest electoral victory. Just like Obama's last win wasn't a landslide victory, and he had more electoral votes than Trump.
 

buckshot24

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Just calling out your hero for bullshitting anywhere and on anything he can. I know you want to protect him.

There was nothing overwhelming about a modest electoral victory. Just like Obama's last win wasn't a landslide victory, and he had more electoral votes than Trump.
I think some people called it an electoral landslide in 2012. Just my opinion, I'm sure it means a lot to you, that this is a trivial and ridiculous thing to criticize him for because there is no set definition as to what a landslide in the EC actually is.
 

Jhhnn

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Why not? Seems to be too subjective to be criticizing Trump on.

It's easy enough to set a benchmark. If we say that Obama's win in 2008 was a decisive victory rather than a landslide then any differential greater than that would be a landslide. Obama won 365 EC votes. Trump is nowhere near that.

You're defending obvious bullshit.
 

MrSquished

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I think some people called it an electoral landslide in 2012. Just my opinion, I'm sure it means a lot to you, that this is a trivial and ridiculous thing to criticize him for because there is no set definition as to what a landslide in the EC actually is.

there is no set number for a landslide victory for the elecotral college, but a couple sites I saw said for the electoral college it's getting 70% or 375.

but you don't need a set number to realize that Trumps approx. 300 Electoral votes is not an OVERWHELMING victory - which is what defines landslide. it's just common sense.

amongst Trump's transgressions, you are right, it is trivial. He has lied or exaggerated far far worse things and many times also. Like today he said millions of illegals voted. Lunacy.

Regardless, I'm just pointing out his obvious exaggeration here and you find it important enough to keep defending.
 
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