Heroes: Volume II

[UpgradeFailure]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: davestar
most everyone caught up in the "omg, teh final fight wasn't l33t enuff" movement seems to forget the importance of (1) well-told story arcs and (2) the 23 previous episodes.

i guess hollywood blockbusters and video games have skewed expectations.

Word.

I thought this was a fantastic episode. The people here complaining are just being whiny fools of the first rate. It is mind boggling that people who appear to be fans (evidenced by posting on an Internet forum regarding the show) yet seem incapable of processing what the heck the show is all about. The show is not at all about non-stop big fight scenes so why in the heck would the season finale be all about that?

I've read more coherent rants on Myspace than most of this drivel.

Why couldn't we have both? They should have had the fight around the half hour mark, and last it 10+ mins, then have the same ending. I think most of us agree that would have been really great

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: davestar
most everyone caught up in the "omg, teh final fight wasn't l33t enuff" movement seems to forget the importance of (1) well-told story arcs and (2) the 23 previous episodes.

i guess hollywood blockbusters and video games have skewed expectations.

Word.

I thought this was a fantastic episode. The people here complaining are just being whiny fools of the first rate. It is mind boggling that people who appear to be fans (evidenced by posting on an Internet forum regarding the show) yet seem incapable of processing what the heck the show is all about. The show is not at all about non-stop big fight scenes so why in the heck would the season finale be all about that?

I've read more coherent rants on Myspace than most of this drivel.

Who the hell is asking for non-stop action? All we asked was a little more than a few punches thrown for the finale between Peter and Sylar.

The time they spent recapping every damn thing that happened in the series in the first couple of minutes could have been devoted to Sylar + Peter at the end. If you've been watching the show up to this point, you don't a freakin' recap. We've seen all the episodes.

And if you NEED a recap just to watch the finale, you shouldn't be watching the show in the first place.

 

[PokerGuy]

Quite simply, the finale was a terrible disappointment. There were soooooo many cool angles that could have been used, there were so many possible twists etc, but the writers decided to go the lame boring route. I'm not sure if I'll watch the second season now, that was truly lame.

 

[adairusmc]

I thought the finale was an outstanding episode, just like the rest. I liked the way they ended the season.

 

[flashbacck]

Originally posted by: NFS4...The time they spent recapping every damn thing that happened in the series in the first couple of minutes could have been devoted to Sylar + Peter at the end. If you've been watching the show up to this point, you don't a freakin' recap. We've seen all the episodes.

And if you NEED a recap just to watch the finale, you shouldn't be watching the show in the first place.

I agree with you, but I bet the network execs don't. You know they're trying to get every viewer, including the casual ones flipping through. And you can't keep the casual viewers in a TV serial without a recap. Yea, it's dumb and sucks up show time. But what can ya do?

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: davestar
most everyone caught up in the "omg, teh final fight wasn't l33t enuff" movement seems to forget the importance of (1) well-told story arcs and (2) the 23 previous episodes.

i guess hollywood blockbusters and video games have skewed expectations.

Word.

I thought this was a fantastic episode. The people here complaining are just being whiny fools of the first rate. It is mind boggling that people who appear to be fans (evidenced by posting on an Internet forum regarding the show) yet seem incapable of processing what the heck the show is all about. The show is not at all about non-stop big fight scenes so why in the heck would the season finale be all about that?

I've read more coherent rants on Myspace than most of this drivel.

Who the hell is asking for non-stop action? All we asked was a little more than a few punches thrown for the finale between Peter and Sylar.

The time they spent recapping every damn thing that happened in the series in the first couple of minutes could have been devoted to Sylar + Peter at the end. If you've been watching the show up to this point, you don't a freakin' recap. We've seen all the episodes.

And if you NEED a recap just to watch the finale, you shouldn't be watching the show in the first place.

It was indeed mentioned somewhere in the thread that there should have been a huge throw-down between essentially every Hero and Sylar. Regardless, did you really think there was going to be some large final fight between Peter and Sylar? If they did do that then I think many people here would be saying how Heroes sold out because, again, the show is not about the heroes fighting with their super-powers. Hell they essentially showed how Sylar was going to die via Isaac's comic book - so how could there be any surprise that it happened the way it did.

Also if you were watching the show in the first place one would realize they do recaps at the beginning of every episode. Why do you expect the season finale to be setup any differently? Additionally, maybe I am going way out on a limb here, but is it not possible that people may have missed the preceding episode? You shouldn't assume that because you have seen all of the episodes that every other person watching TV that night did see all of the episodes. Again, though, I think it's interesting that they film 22 previous episodes one way then suddenly for the 23rd episode there is a sort of expectation that it is to be filmed differently.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: davestar
most everyone caught up in the "omg, teh final fight wasn't l33t enuff" movement seems to forget the importance of (1) well-told story arcs and (2) the 23 previous episodes.

i guess hollywood blockbusters and video games have skewed expectations.

Word.

I thought this was a fantastic episode. The people here complaining are just being whiny fools of the first rate. It is mind boggling that people who appear to be fans (evidenced by posting on an Internet forum regarding the show) yet seem incapable of processing what the heck the show is all about. The show is not at all about non-stop big fight scenes so why in the heck would the season finale be all about that?

I've read more coherent rants on Myspace than most of this drivel.

Who the hell is asking for non-stop action? All we asked was a little more than a few punches thrown for the finale between Peter and Sylar.

The time they spent recapping every damn thing that happened in the series in the first couple of minutes could have been devoted to Sylar + Peter at the end. If you've been watching the show up to this point, you don't a freakin' recap. We've seen all the episodes.

And if you NEED a recap just to watch the finale, you shouldn't be watching the show in the first place.

It was indeed mentioned somewhere in the thread that there should have been a huge throw-down between essentially every Hero and Sylar. Regardless, did you really think there was going to be some large final fight between Peter and Sylar? If they did do that then I think many people here would be saying how Heroes sold out because, again, the show is not about the heroes fighting with their super-powers. Hell they essentially showed how Sylar was going to die via Isaac's comic book - so how could there be any surprise that it happened the way it did.

Also if you were watching the show in the first place one would realize they do recaps at the beginning of every episode. Why do you expect the season finale to be setup any differently? Additionally, maybe I am going way out on a limb here, but is it not possible that people may have missed the preceding episode? You shouldn't assume that because you have seen all of the episodes that every other person watching TV that night did see all of the episodes. Again, though, I think it's interesting that they film 22 previous episodes one way then suddenly for the 23rd episode there is a sort of expectation that it is to be filmed differently.

My post that I wrote earlier in the thread:

They were gearing up for a huge confrontation between Peter and Sylar the entire series.
He has a number of unknown powers, along with being able to analyze how to properly use them. While Peter could've used anything Sylar threw at him, he should've been no match for Sylar's expertise. They made Sylar look like a b*tch in the final fight; he's the same guy that saws peoples heads off and messes with their brains for crying out loud. Unless they have a large plan for him next season, his exit from the show was terrible. Sure Hiro would've eventually killed him anyway, but it seemed like the finale was rushed and didn't live up to the quality of the rest of the series.

As for everyone else joining in, they would've been decimated in short order if they tried. Nikki got in a few lucky shots, but she still wouldn't have been any match for Sylar. Claire would've been useless; decapitated people don't regenerate and she has no fighting abilities. DL was already incapacitated. Micah and Molly were useless. As for Parkman, well we saw what happened with him. The only one that would've had a fighting chance would've been the Haitian if he showed up. Even Candice would've been disposed without much effort due to Sylar's abilities.

If they had planned on this ending from the beginning, they could've at least shown the future battle where Mega-Sylar and Peter duke it out. It was a great story, but I like to see some action. The teased us the entire series and never delivered. Though the concepts of unity, heroism, and family were wrapped up great in the finale.

In addition to this, they even teased us with the fight between Sylar and Peter earlier in the season in "5 Years Gone." If you were watching the show in the first place one would realize that they were setting this fight up the entire season. It would make sense not to show Peter and Sylar duking it out in "5 Years Gone" if they were going to have an epic battle between them later on in the series.

And the season finale's recap was far longer than necessary. I feel it should've been very brief, if not eliminated. It didn't even have everything that was necessary to understand the entire storyline, so I don't see how you could defend it via the reasoning that the casual fan would need it to understand the last episode.

And no, it's not unreasonable for them to film 22 episodes one way and 1 the other. It's called a climax. For the most part, the climax was uneventful and poorly writtten (see the part of my post where I rant about them making Sylar a b*tch; hell Micah should've been able to take him in this iteration). Just because we know Hiro was going to stab Sylar, should we have just had that happen at the beginning of the show and then watch 50 minutes of fluff detailing how the Heroes are spending the rest of their lives? Shaping the story around the "death" has everything to do with it.

And I believe the only person that mentioned a battle royale with the heroes was HeroOfPellinor, and he made the assumption that's what people wanted. My response to him was a battle royale would've been useless and that most of the Heroes should've wound up dead if such a situation occurred.

Simply put, they got lazy with the season finale and people are calling them on it. We're fans of the show, but we're not fanboys that are going to defend it when they made a relatively poor season finale in comparison to the rest of the season. We're willing to actually criticize the show instead of giving it praise when it doesn't deserve it.

 

[MBrown]

I just saw the season finale and I thought it was awesome. I can't wait for volume II!!!!

 

[Qwest]

why did Nikki get involved in the fight? I didnt think she knew anything of Peter/Sylar except in the future.

 

[Ns1]

You guys are horrendously overreacting to this finale. It's still a great show and will be dvr'ed all next season.

 

[ViviTheMage]

few things that jarred me.

sadly, my gf fell asleep she thought it was so boring...and we LOVED the other episodes.

why didnt sylar stop nikki when he got hit in the skull with the car mete.
why didnt that cop hear the thoughts of the indian dude when he was going to hit him and claires dad were near molly and stop him from getting hit.
why did nathan fly off WITH peter when peter can fly on his own free will ?
why was it 'easier' to just fly off and kill nathan and peter both in the air, when claire or one of those 10 other people there could have just shot him.

too many questions still

 

[Chadder007]

I liked it just fine.

 

[Double Trouble]

Lousy ending to a great season. They really screwed up on the finale.

 

[Kwaipie]

Random musings:

Best death/killing of the season: DL taking out Linderman.

Looks like Nikki finally has Jessica full time, Jessikki?

Shapeshifter chick is also a super fighter? Why would she do this when she could just change what Nikki sees?

Season 1 box set comes out Aughust 28th with the unaired pilot, commentary, deleted scenes, a making of featurette, a special effects featurette, and a stunts featurette.

 

[puffpio]

Here's something wikipedia turned up for me

The legendary Takezo Kensei is the one that Hiro learned about
a previous poster said that it is a fictional character, and that Kensei is a title, not a name. This is backed up by a Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensei
That page says that Miyamoto Musashi was arguably one of the most famous Kensei. If you goto his wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miyamoto_Musashi
you can see that he was also known as Shinmen Takezo.

So then could Takezo Kensei be Miyamoto Musashi, or did the writers just take that name from Musashi?

 

[lyssword]

Sylar is a good guy. WTF? wow crazy episode. So many new questions. Btw Hiro really did kick ass in 23rd (finalle).

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: lyssword
Sylar is a good guy. WTF? wow crazy episode. So many new questions. Btw Hiro really did kick ass in 23rd (finalle).

Umm no. Did you even watch it?

 

[NFS4]

Ummm, uhhhh.... no comment

 

[AmpedSilence]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Ummm, uhhhh.... no comment

wtf?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: AmpedSilence

Originally posted by: NFS4
Ummm, uhhhh.... no comment

wtf?

[Ferris Bueller] "Do you have a kiss for daddy?" [/Ferris Bueller]

:laugh:

 

[alkemyst]

lol I bet that's making some nerds cry.

Go HRG!

 

[NFS4]

Promo Stills from Season 2

http://www.flickr.com/photos/r...ets/72157601007711597/

From Neowin forums:

During the press conference on the "Heroes" set, a reporter noted that Leonard Roberts, whose character, D.L. Hawkins, was badly wounded by a gunshot in the season finale, was absent. Creator Tim Kring suggested we shouldn't read too much into that, but at the same time hinted that big changes were in store for D.L.'s wife, Nikki (Ali Larter).

...

Quinto was only slightly more forthcoming, admitting, "I'm allowed to say you haven't seen the last of (power-stealing villain Sylar). But the landscape in which you find him at the beginning of season two is alarmingly different than the landscape in which you found him at the end of season one."

(A reporter asked whether it would be alarming for Sylar or the viewers; Quinto said, "Both, I'd imagine. But definitely for him.")

In Mohinder's room, there's a cot in the bedroom for ? well, no one's saying for sure. But there's also a little girl's room all decked out in butterflies and ponies that we suspect is for "tracking device" Molly.

...

Larter says she never understood her character Niki/Jessica's super power last year (good and evil fighting in the same body), but this year her power is more defined and her character will be less about family and more about working with the group.

 

[lokiju]

I was satisfied with the season as a whole.

I'm looking forward to the next season.

 

[hypn0tik]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Promo Stills from Season 2

http://www.flickr.com/photos/r...ets/72157601007711597/

From Neowin forums:

During the press conference on the "Heroes" set, a reporter noted that Leonard Roberts, whose character, D.L. Hawkins, was badly wounded by a gunshot in the season finale, was absent. Creator Tim Kring suggested we shouldn't read too much into that, but at the same time hinted that big changes were in store for D.L.'s wife, Nikki (Ali Larter).

...

Quinto was only slightly more forthcoming, admitting, "I'm allowed to say you haven't seen the last of (power-stealing villain Sylar). But the landscape in which you find him at the beginning of season two is alarmingly different than the landscape in which you found him at the end of season one."

(A reporter asked whether it would be alarming for Sylar or the viewers; Quinto said, "Both, I'd imagine. But definitely for him.")

In Mohinder's room, there's a cot in the bedroom for ? well, no one's saying for sure. But there's also a little girl's room all decked out in butterflies and ponies that we suspect is for "tracking device" Molly.

...

Larter says she never understood her character Niki/Jessica's super power last year (good and evil fighting in the same body), but this year her power is more defined and her character will be less about family and more about working with the group.

About damn time. It seemed like her entire character and storyline was a waste of time last season.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: hypn0tik

Larter says she never understood her character Niki/Jessica's super power last year (good and evil fighting in the same body), but this year her power is more defined and her character will be less about family and more about working with the group.

About damn time. It seemed like her entire character and storyline was a waste of time last season.

Not really, I always took it to be portrayed that way on purpose. While it would have sucked it if turned out to be a 1 season flick, this way it goes as planned.