Heroes Volume III: Villains

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Newbian

Lifer
Aug 24, 2008
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I am confused.

If they have all the addresses of these level 5 guys why are they just leaving them be?

Not to mention how easy it was to break into the cells to let the ones escape.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Newbian
I am confused.

If they have all the addresses of these level 5 guys why are they just leaving them be?

Not to mention how easy it was to break into the cells to let the ones escape.

Not enough manpower...Sylar killed the head guy (the bald dude with the Midas touch) and Mrs. Petrelli is paralyzed. The core headhunter is HRG and he's trying to recruit Claire's real mom to be his sidekick.

I guess we know how Peter will be getting his scar...no powahs Peter you doofus...if you walk into a room with a bunch of villans and your dad is hanging out with them, YOU DON'T GIVE HIM A HUG!!!
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: indamixx99
Noo... they killed Sark!

Yeah I'm super-bummed about Adam dying too, I liked him They never resolved his issue with Hiro, either.

The part with Hiro getting whacked with the shovel twice was hilarious :laugh:

What ever happened to electric girl, the bald guy's daughter?
 

mrSHEiK124

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Killerme33
Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
Damn, that's a pretty sick power, kill people by touching them. But I think the guy who can create vortexes would still be able to kill all of the other villians, don't you think?

I think his power is to absorb other heroes' powers, similar to Peter/Sylar who are both his sons. Adam died when he absorbed his power because he is 500 years old.

Ah, never thought about it that way.
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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Originally posted by: techs
How did Papa Petrelli supposedly die? Did they say something about suicide? Cause I am wondering if that's a coverup because Mama Petrilli decided to off Papa and thats how he ended up in the bed?

I'm betting that the company tried to kill him similar to how they tried to banish Adam. Right now, I'm thinking that Papa Petrelli wanted to become some almighty demi-god by taking everyone's abilities as his own. But he wasn't satisfied with just that, he had babies imbued with abilities where he would then "harvest" the abilities when they became active. The company realized his motives were not pure in nature and decided to kill him and spin it off as a car crash. He stole Adam's power to heal himself, which consequently killed Adam, because he's now a 500 year old powerless guy.
 

sash1

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Just fucking great. So Sylar is the only one left to "save the world". Lovely.

Sylar's badass.

I'm wondering what's to come of Peter. I'm sure the won't leave him as a powerless chump for the rest of the series.
 

Aikouka

Lifer
Nov 27, 2001
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I found this interesting commentary on MSNBC about Heroes Season III:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27201601/
We haven't seen a face yet, but there appears to be a new super in "Heroes" town. He or she seems to be impressively powerful, with the ability to increase an object's gravity, making it heavier and more lumbering.

Or maybe it's just a sinking feeling. Coming off of a strike-truncated second season so woebegone that show creator Tim Kring actually apologized for it, "Heroes" season three has, after five episodes, given every indication that rather than shaping up, the writers have taken leave of their senses.

It could be that they're just the victims of yet another new character. But when the folks responsible for "Heroes" aren't ignoring the lessons they were supposed to have learned after the season two fiasco, they're adding elements that go beyond hackneyed and nudge up against total apathy.

Same old, same old
Remember the first season of "Heroes"? How it was pretty good? The writers obviously do. And they're trying to copy as much of it as possible in the hopes of recapturing some of the same magic.

Why else would the show trudge through so many frustratingly similar storylines? Niki may indeed have died last season, but with the introduction of ice-queen politico Tracy Strauss, Ali Larter once again gets to play a character coming to grips with powers she can't control, she doesn't want, and which serve as a metaphor for her personality.

Add to that the major identity crisis of discovering that she has a doppelganger (mirroring trip-twin Niki's split personality), and her affair with Nathan Petrelli, and it's the exact same character arc that Larter went through in season one. And if the show lasts long enough to introduce a third triplet, she might be lucky enough to go through it yet again.

Invulnerable cheerleader Claire is also stuck in her season-one rut, once again at odds with her morally gray father, HRG, over issues of trust, this time involving his current partner. The superlative "Company Man" episode seemed to have resolved those problems when he made a substantial personal sacrifice to keep her safe from the sinister Company. But Claire seems doomed to repeat the cycle ad infinitum, her moony brattiness apparently as indestructible as she is.

"Heroes" has tried to disguise some of the repeated storylines by switching the characters. Psychic Matt Parkman (and his African spirit guide, Usutu) and a badass time-travelling Peter Petrelli are both trying to prevent a tipping point that will cause the world to descend into a dystopian future. But neither of them has honed their powers enough to see that painter Isaac and a sword-wielding Hiro have walked these exact paths before.

It would be a mistake to assume that the writers were hoping the entire audience underwent a Haitian mindwipe, though. In fact, they're counting on viewers remembering, if the pale echoes of some of the more resonant first-season dialogue is any indication.

"I've walked through fire, and I haven't gotten burned," Claire said to her flamethrowing biological mother, Meredith, who later told her "You gotta learn to save yourself before you can save the world," as if reminding the audience that this show was once fun and cool.

But "Heroes" isn't just rehashing the good stuff. Parkman has been stranded in Africa on a journey of self-discovery, the writers having clearly learned nothing from stranding Hiro in feudal Japan last season. The details are different (there's no love triangle in Africa ? yet ? and Usutu doesn't seem to be malevolent ? yet), but both stories isolate one of the main characters in a foreign land with no direction home.

Peter was headed down a similar path when he was trapped in the body of a superbaddie. With nobody to believe that he was who he said he was, a new group of untrustworthy associates and new, untested powers at his disposal, it was like trapping him in Ireland with amnesia all over again. The story has since been resolved (although in the "Heroes" universe, these sorts of things need to be qualified with a "probably"), but along with Parkman's storyline, it showed an indiscriminate approach to self-plagiarism.

Most baffling, however, is the sneaking suspicion that the writers just don't care anymore. It's becoming increasingly clear that nobody knows what to do with power-stealing serial killer Sylar, who was almost killed in the season one finale and whose return should have at the very least been shelved for a year or two.

Instead, "Heroes" has subjected him to two appallingly hackneyed standbys. First, the anonymous schlub with dreams of grandeur was revealed to be the long-lost son of the superpowered Petrelli dynasty. After that soap-opera retcon, he was recruited to work for the Company and partnered up with HRG, because why not release an unrepentant murderer on his own recognizance and team him with the father of a girl you've made it your mission to kill?

It's a joke of a plotline that makes no sense at all, and the characters are forced to act in ways counter to everything they've done on the show so far.

They're not the only ones acting like idiots. Hiro watched his dead father tell him via videotape not to open a safe that contained horrible secrets that must never be let out. Naturally, he opened the safe without a moment's hesitation, and the horrible secrets were immediately stolen by speedster Daphne. Hiro was last seen putting a sword through his best friend Ando more or less on a dare.

But the show's dumbest, most insulting moment came this past week, when Tracy, after accidentally freezing a reporter to death, wanted to turn herself in to the authorities. Nathan warned her against it, explaining that he'd tried to hold a press conference to tell the world about his flying powers.

What was the response of Tracy, the governor's aide who tapped Nathan to fill a vacant Senate seat while following his recovery from a high-profile assassination attempt at that very same press conference? "What happened?"

What happened, indeed. If the people who make "Heroes" don't even bother watching the show, why should anybody else?
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: sash1
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Just fucking great. So Sylar is the only one left to "save the world". Lovely.

Sylar's badass.

I'm wondering what's to come of Peter. I'm sure the won't leave him as a powerless chump for the rest of the series.

Well you have that little formula floating around now.
 

SunnyD

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K, once and for all - Sylar doesn't "absorb" other people's powers. His power is that he has the ability to see how things work, and learn them intricately. Since he HAS an ability, he is able to use any ability once he knows how it works. I'm assuming that's how everybody works - if you have the ability to manifest a power, all you would need to do is know how that power works in order to use it - hence why Sylar studies the brains of his targets, he sees how the neural pathways connect to manifest that particular power. Peter's power is similar, except that his body can innately teach the brain how the power works and he can then use it. This also is how Parkman's powers "grow", like his father told him - it only STARTS with hearing other people's thoughts... but becomes so much more. The difference with Sylar and Peter is that their bodies/minds can comprehend powers outside of their "box", whereas Parkman grows within his "mental power box".

Papa Petrelli's power is that he can siphon off people's powers. And instantly know how they work. I'm not sure how that all works out by leaving his targets powerless, but hey, whatever - it's like a giant comic book right?

My big question is now Papa Petrelli has Sylar's power (stolen from Peter). I wonder if they'll manifest that at all.

And finally - Sylar is laying on this whole "I wanna be a good guy" thing way too thick. His writing just about sucks now.

 

hans030390

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Feb 3, 2005
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Originally posted by: SunnyD
K, once and for all - Sylar doesn't "absorb" other people's powers. His power is that he has the ability to see how things work, and learn them intricately. Since he HAS an ability, he is able to use any ability once he knows how it works. I'm assuming that's how everybody works - if you have the ability to manifest a power, all you would need to do is know how that power works in order to use it - hence why Sylar studies the brains of his targets, he sees how the neural pathways connect to manifest that particular power. Peter's power is similar, except that his body can innately teach the brain how the power works and he can then use it. This also is how Parkman's powers "grow", like his father told him - it only STARTS with hearing other people's thoughts... but becomes so much more. The difference with Sylar and Peter is that their bodies/minds can comprehend powers outside of their "box", whereas Parkman grows within his "mental power box".

Papa Petrelli's power is that he can siphon off people's powers. And instantly know how they work. I'm not sure how that all works out by leaving his targets powerless, but hey, whatever - it's like a giant comic book right?

My big question is now Papa Petrelli has Sylar's power (stolen from Peter). I wonder if they'll manifest that at all.

And finally - Sylar is laying on this whole "I wanna be a good guy" thing way too thick. His writing just about sucks now.

Well, if Papa Petrelli has the hunger now...I'd say everyone is very screwed. Well, maybe not...since he doesn't have to look at their brains to get powers.

But, hey, that means he absorbed it from Peter...so now Peter isn't going to have it (which made him extra retarded).

I'm actually liking Season 3 so far. I have a feeling it's all going to come together eventually, similar to Season 1. I actually thought Season 1 was too slow-paced, so this is good for me. If it doesn't come together in the end...well, then I'll think about changing my opinion. I just think people are too harsh already.
 

EvilYoda

Lifer
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I went home for lunch and watched yesterday's episode...lots of crazy stuff going on here! Hiro's storyline is really annoying me, as was Peter running into Daddy's arms. One second he's a badass beating up Sylar and the next he's tricked by "it's okay".

blarg.
 

elkinm

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I think I know how Sylar can beat Papa.
He needs to take the Hatian's power. He can knock him out, and when he is out he can take his power. If he doesn't want to kill, he can always give him Claire's blood.

Then even Papa's power would not work. And maybe Sylar?s will, but even if not, Sylar can just the same take Papa's power, and then drain him of all his powers.

It sucks, the one time when the hunger could have helped Peter. He would kill Nathan, and mommy, but he didn't get the hunger with Papa. I guess that would be to easy for the show.
I would have liked Peter to take Papa's power, but Sylar would do.
 

NoReMoRsE

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I feel so bad for Adam. He started off as a hero, turned bad because he got cheated on, then had to live by himself for centuries (imagine the loneliness), then got locked in a coffin, and then released only to get killed.
 

Muadib

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Originally posted by: EvilYoda
I went home for lunch and watched yesterday's episode...lots of crazy stuff going on here! Hiro's storyline is really annoying me, as was Peter running into Daddy's arms. One second he's a badass beating up Sylar and the next he's tricked by "it's okay".

blarg.

But Peter thought his Dad was dead. Unless you've lost someone that close to you, it would be hard to understand. Trust me, you would kill to be able to get one more embrace.


 

dman

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What if the whole stealing powers thing is an illusion, and peter really still has his powers but has been mind-f'd to think he doesn't. Or is in a comatose state, but thinks he's not?


 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: dman
What if the whole stealing powers thing is an illusion, and peter really still has his powers but has been mind-f'd to think he doesn't. Or is in a comatose state, but thinks he's not?

That doesn't really explain why Adam aged 500 years after Papa touched him. That is a pretty powerful power of suggestion.
 

Kaido

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Feb 14, 2004
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Originally posted by: SunnyD
K, once and for all - Sylar doesn't "absorb" other people's powers. His power is that he has the ability to see how things work, and learn them intricately. Since he HAS an ability, he is able to use any ability once he knows how it works. I'm assuming that's how everybody works - if you have the ability to manifest a power, all you would need to do is know how that power works in order to use it - hence why Sylar studies the brains of his targets, he sees how the neural pathways connect to manifest that particular power. Peter's power is similar, except that his body can innately teach the brain how the power works and he can then use it. This also is how Parkman's powers "grow", like his father told him - it only STARTS with hearing other people's thoughts... but becomes so much more. The difference with Sylar and Peter is that their bodies/minds can comprehend powers outside of their "box", whereas Parkman grows within his "mental power box".

Papa Petrelli's power is that he can siphon off people's powers. And instantly know how they work. I'm not sure how that all works out by leaving his targets powerless, but hey, whatever - it's like a giant comic book right?

My big question is now Papa Petrelli has Sylar's power (stolen from Peter). I wonder if they'll manifest that at all.

And finally - Sylar is laying on this whole "I wanna be a good guy" thing way too thick. His writing just about sucks now.

That's the best explanation I've heard yet, good job!

Yeah I'm hoping Peter's Dad starts going el-nutso with Sylar's power, that'd be awesome!

 

Ctrackstar126

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I have to admit I had goosebumps when sylar and peter teamed up. It was some of the best tv ive seen and I have only got that exhilaration when watching dark knight when he launched his bat bike. May sound corny but im sure anyone who has kept up with this series since day 1 got a similar feeling its just a shame it was short live(for now)

Theres been other moments this show had me gitty but that sequence took the cake.
 

PingSpike

Lifer
Feb 25, 2004
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My favorite sequence of the series was right after Nathan flew Peter away to prevent him from blowing up the city and we the burned Nathan free falling and then Peter catches him.

While I find it hard to buy that Sylar has turned around so quickly to be a good guy, I'm kind of enjoying it. They need to do more reflection with his character, I'm assuming that the power to see the history of objects plays a big roll with his turn around...we need to see some of the turmoil and revelations that it brings to him. It just isn't really believable that some one so determined and single minded would be able to change that quickly.
 

mrSHEiK124

Lifer
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Originally posted by: PingSpike
My favorite sequence of the series was right after Nathan flew Peter away to prevent him from blowing up the city and we the burned Nathan free falling and then Peter catches him.

While I find it hard to buy that Sylar has turned around so quickly to be a good guy, I'm kind of enjoying it. They need to do more reflection with his character, I'm assuming that the power to see the history of objects plays a big roll with his turn around...we need to see some of the turmoil and revelations that it brings to him. It just isn't really believable that some one so determined and single minded would be able to change that quickly.

Best part of season 1. I saw the season finale encore on NBC randomly and immediately had to order Season 1; ended up getting the HD-DVD set for free with the XBOX 360 HD-DVD drive. Nathan flying Peter away was just awesome.
 
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