Heroes Volume IV: Fugitives

[MBrown]

I think they closed the season pretty well.

 

[preCRT]

I guess somebody is heading to the big screen?

 

[elkinm]

Just saw the episode on the DVR. Honestly, I can't believe Peter and Nathan lasted more then a second against Sylar. Maybe he just wanted to have fun, but he could or should have just swatted them like flies.

Anyway, I was really surprised on how Peter got Sylar, that was a very welcome and amazing surprise. I still have to wonder if Sylar should have known, heard or something or at least sensed some lying going on.

So they have any memory, about Claire?s healing power. Maybe these writers don't like that, but they need to stop leaving such huge gaps.

And here you have super duper Sylar, and simply with some voodoo from Parkman, he is Nathan. You just know that cannot hold. Maybe they can make him nicer, he did have a son and be nice in one future.

I still want Peter to get his full power back, that is always key somewhere.

And the best part, is that naked Nicky. I am going to love this season if she is always wet and naked. What does it take to be an extra on Heroes, she can do anything she wants to me.

 

[Killerme33]

So season finale: Sylar and Nathan "die" where have we seen that before? Oh yeah in Volumes 1 & 2 they both die in the finale and come back in the first episode of the next season.

 

[Kaido]

So what's the deal with the title - "The Invisible Thread" ? I figured the "someone you know will die" bit would be the Invisible Man from way back in season 1 or 2.

 

[ChaoZ]

Where did Sylar get the ability to absorb memories?

 

[flashbacck]

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
Where did Sylar get the ability to absorb memories?

When he was working for the company, Angela fed him someone who could read memories by touching objects.

I don't get why Bennett and Angela wanted Sylar to replace Nathan. That's the dumbest idea ever. What happens when Nathan gets a paper cut and it heals instantly? What happens in ten years when he realizes he's not aging?

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
Where did Sylar get the ability to absorb memories?

When he was working for the company, Angela fed him someone who could read memories by touching objects.

I don't get why Bennett and Angela wanted Sylar to replace Nathan. That's the dumbest idea ever. What happens when Nathan gets a paper cut and it heals instantly? What happens in ten years when he realizes he's not aging?

Why couldn't Claire heal him?

 

[flashbacck]

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
Where did Sylar get the ability to absorb memories?

When he was working for the company, Angela fed him someone who could read memories by touching objects.

I don't get why Bennett and Angela wanted Sylar to replace Nathan. That's the dumbest idea ever. What happens when Nathan gets a paper cut and it heals instantly? What happens in ten years when he realizes he's not aging?

Why couldn't Claire heal him?

Claire doesn't heal other people.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
Where did Sylar get the ability to absorb memories?

When he was working for the company, Angela fed him someone who could read memories by touching objects.

I don't get why Bennett and Angela wanted Sylar to replace Nathan. That's the dumbest idea ever. What happens when Nathan gets a paper cut and it heals instantly? What happens in ten years when he realizes he's not aging?

Why couldn't Claire heal him?

Claire doesn't heal other people.

Her blood.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: elkinm
Just saw the episode on the DVR. Honestly, I can't believe Peter and Nathan lasted more then a second against Sylar. Maybe he just wanted to have fun, but he could or should have just swatted them like flies.

Anyway, I was really surprised on how Peter got Sylar, that was a very welcome and amazing surprise. I still have to wonder if Sylar should have known, heard or something or at least sensed some lying going on.

So they have any memory, about Claire?s healing power. Maybe these writers don't like that, but they need to stop leaving such huge gaps.

And here you have super duper Sylar, and simply with some voodoo from Parkman, he is Nathan. You just know that cannot hold. Maybe they can make him nicer, he did have a son and be nice in one future.

I still want Peter to get his full power back, that is always key somewhere.

And the best part, is that naked Nicky. I am going to love this season if she is always wet and naked. What does it take to be an extra on Heroes, she can do anything she wants to me.

Sylar did have the lie detector power, but he was probably very sure of himself.
I wish they stated what powers Peter did get.
BTW, I'm pretty sure Nathan will revert to Sylar. It's already been hinted at before the episode ended.

My only explanation for Sylar not easily taking down Peter and Nathan is that the flying power negates telekinesis.
But it was quite surprising of sylar just to slit nathan's throat, why did Nathan keep being so stupid about confronting Sylar? Over and over....
And for all the powers Sylar had, flying wasn't one of them. So even though he thinks he's Nathan, what happens when Nathan tries to fly and can't?
Or even worse, what happens when Nathan gets hurt and heals instantly? Or he really wants to move something with his mind and realizes he has telekinesis? He's got all of Sylar's powers, he can discover them just like anyone discovers their powers.

My guess, Nikki comes to freeze/drown Nathan sometime in the next volume. Nathan heals, realizes he is Sylar. Sylar either comes back, or has been so thoroughly mind-wiped that he accepts himself as Nathan/Sylar and just goes about living as Nathan. Over time, Sylar's presence within Nathan can grow until he takes over.

So season finale: Sylar and Nathan "die" where have we seen that before? Oh yeah in Volumes 1 & 2 they both die in the finale and come back in the first episode of the next season.

I don't remember Sylar dieing in volume 2. He just barely escapes, actually.

So what's the deal with the title - "The Invisible Thread" ? I figured the "someone you know will die" bit would be the Invisible Man from way back in season 1 or 2.

My thought:
A tie back to season one with the whole "multiple time lines represented as threads". This is a thread leading back to the original future timeline.
Alternatively, the invisible thread holding Sylar as a puppet posing as Nathan.

Claire doesn't heal other people.

Her blood was established to back in the dark season, volume 2. Very little from that season holds.

BTW, what about Nathan's real children? He goes around introducing Claire as his daughter (something which nobody in politics knew), but they completely abandoned his real children. He wants to get close with Claire, but doesn't care about the children he was actually raising? They even show him with them in a flashback.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
Where did Sylar get the ability to absorb memories?

When he was working for the company, Angela fed him someone who could read memories by touching objects.

I don't get why Bennett and Angela wanted Sylar to replace Nathan. That's the dumbest idea ever. What happens when Nathan gets a paper cut and it heals instantly? What happens in ten years when he realizes he's not aging?

Why couldn't Claire heal him?

Claire doesn't heal other people.

Her blood.

Revived HRG from GSW to the fucking eye.

Good episode if we're looking at wow factor alone (hey, they had my attention). They get a zero out of fucking ten for the plot, consistency, and rationale.

 

[SunnyD]

As has been mentioned -

Why the hell didn't Claire use her blood to fix Nathan... AGAIN (it was stolen by Papa Petrelli and used after Nathan was shot by Future Peter early last season).

And for all the powers Sylar had, flying wasn't one of them. So even though he thinks he's Nathan, what happens when Nathan tries to fly and can't?

Sylar did pick up flying in the fight with Nathan. He flew back into the hotel room and landed softly... though I dunno why he needs it, telekinesis can effectively do the same thing (we saw Sylar hover into the garage with super-hearing lady a couple seasons back, which is why he got the jump on her).

A tie back to season one with the whole "multiple time lines represented as threads". This is a thread leading back to the original future timeline.

I've said this for a few episodes now - the design of this season (or the end of it) appears to be that Sylar is getting back to the position he was in the future of Season 1 - posing as Nathan as the president.

I still want Peter to get his full power back, that is always key somewhere.

I think he essentially just did (by taking Sylar's powers). Sylar ended up getting the "empathic" power absorb back in Pinehurst with Elle. Remember, he also used it on the shapeshifter too. So essentially, as long as Peter doesn't take a new power with his power, he can use Sylar's absorb power just like his used to be. Of course what the writers will obviously fail to take into account is that Peter would also have taken "The Hunger" (again). But then again, Peter was all beat up after the fight, so did he not get Sylar's (Claire's) healing back?

If I were writing this show for next season - the one simple act of Peter taking on Sylar's powers would be even more important than Sylar being Nathan. Keep in mind, Peter is self-destructive - to top it off he now has: The Hunger, Lie Detector, Memory Reading, Shape Shifting and his original (well Sylar's version) of Empathic Absorption. Not to mention, he was with Parkman in the final scene, so he could easily have absorbed Mind Reading/Control now too. Imagine the notion that with all of those powers, he has GOT to know about the Sylar plan. Angela alluded that she would lie about it to her family, but the last scene Peter obviously knows.

I think Peter could be a better plot driver next season than Sylar has been since the first season. And not to mention - not suck either!

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
As has been mentioned -

Why the hell didn't Claire use her blood to fix Nathan... AGAIN (it was stolen by Papa Petrelli and used after Nathan was shot by Future Peter early last season).

And for all the powers Sylar had, flying wasn't one of them. So even though he thinks he's Nathan, what happens when Nathan tries to fly and can't?

Sylar did pick up flying in the fight with Nathan. He flew back into the hotel room and landed softly... though I dunno why he needs it, telekinesis can effectively do the same thing (we saw Sylar hover into the garage with super-hearing lady a couple seasons back, which is why he got the jump on her).

A tie back to season one with the whole "multiple time lines represented as threads". This is a thread leading back to the original future timeline.

I've said this for a few episodes now - the design of this season (or the end of it) appears to be that Sylar is getting back to the position he was in the future of Season 1 - posing as Nathan as the president.

I still want Peter to get his full power back, that is always key somewhere.

I think he essentially just did (by taking Sylar's powers). Sylar ended up getting the "empathic" power absorb back in Pinehurst with Elle. Remember, he also used it on the shapeshifter too. So essentially, as long as Peter doesn't take a new power with his power, he can use Sylar's absorb power just like his used to be. Of course what the writers will obviously fail to take into account is that Peter would also have taken "The Hunger" (again). But then again, Peter was all beat up after the fight, so did he not get Sylar's (Claire's) healing back?

If I were writing this show for next season - the one simple act of Peter taking on Sylar's powers would be even more important than Sylar being Nathan. Keep in mind, Peter is self-destructive - to top it off he now has: The Hunger, Lie Detector, Memory Reading, Shape Shifting and his original (well Sylar's version) of Empathic Absorption. Not to mention, he was with Parkman in the final scene, so he could easily have absorbed Mind Reading/Control now too. Imagine the notion that with all of those powers, he has GOT to know about the Sylar plan. Angela alluded that she would lie about it to her family, but the last scene Peter obviously knows.

I think Peter could be a better plot driver next season than Sylar has been since the first season. And not to mention - not suck either!

After Peter jabbed Sylar with the syringe didn't he say: "I bet you didn't think I took that one."

To me that meant that he could only take one of Sylar's powers, and he chose the shapeshifting.

 

[zebano]

meh. I look at it and this should have been exciting, but it just doesn't do anything for me.

 

[flashbacck]

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy

Originally posted by: flashbacck

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
Where did Sylar get the ability to absorb memories?

When he was working for the company, Angela fed him someone who could read memories by touching objects.

I don't get why Bennett and Angela wanted Sylar to replace Nathan. That's the dumbest idea ever. What happens when Nathan gets a paper cut and it heals instantly? What happens in ten years when he realizes he's not aging?

Why couldn't Claire heal him?

Claire doesn't heal other people.

Her blood.

Oh right. My point was, the Sylar replacing Nathan idea is dumb because it can't possibly last. Sylar/Nathan's going to realize something's wrong the next time he gets a paper cut. Then what?

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

I thought Peter took all of Sylar's powers.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: silverpig
After Peter jabbed Sylar with the syringe didn't he say: "I bet you didn't think I took that one."

To me that meant that he could only take one of Sylar's powers, and he chose the shapeshifting.

Yeah, I caught that too. But then I was thinking about it - and how the hell would Peter and Nathan have a chance against Sylar if Peter could only come away with one power? The plan was for Peter to touch Sylar - so the plot driver is that he can get all of Sylar's powers in order to fight him. Of course there are so many points throughout the entire series that the writers seem to forget crucial points like this (and Claire's blood for example).

Another one that's probably forgotten was when Peter met up with the future Sylar. Sylar wouldn't LET Peter take his power (including and namely The Hunger) - not without at least allowing him to do so.

The show leaves so many seeming little holes in each minor plot, but when you stop to think about them they turn out to be gaping holes.

 

[ivan2]

Claire revived HRG, who's been shot in the eye. But now she can't revive the real dad? bullshit.

 

[Kev]

So why didn't they just have Peter shapeshift into Nathan?

Stupid. Fucking. Show.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: Kev
So why didn't they just have Peter shapeshift into Nathan?

Stupid. Fucking. Show.

I don't believe Peter was in the know that Nathan was actually dead. He was gone before Sylar killed Nathan, and he was downstairs with Claire and HRG while momma and Parkman was doing their thing.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: silverpig
After Peter jabbed Sylar with the syringe didn't he say: "I bet you didn't think I took that one."

To me that meant that he could only take one of Sylar's powers, and he chose the shapeshifting.

Yeah, I caught that too. But then I was thinking about it - and how the hell would Peter and Nathan have a chance against Sylar if Peter could only come away with one power? The plan was for Peter to touch Sylar - so the plot driver is that he can get all of Sylar's powers in order to fight him. Of course there are so many points throughout the entire series that the writers seem to forget crucial points like this (and Claire's blood for example).

Another one that's probably forgotten was when Peter met up with the future Sylar. Sylar wouldn't LET Peter take his power (including and namely The Hunger) - not without at least allowing him to do so.

The show leaves so many seeming little holes in each minor plot, but when you stop to think about them they turn out to be gaping holes.

Season 1 was good and then things started falling apart. How do follow (1) saving the WORLD, (2) a character who can absorb all powers, and (3) a character who can freeze time and time travel? You can't. And now there's so much baggage, the show isn't being consistent anymore. That's not to say I don't still enjoy it, but yeah - there are a lot of plot holes in this series!

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: silverpig
After Peter jabbed Sylar with the syringe didn't he say: "I bet you didn't think I took that one."

To me that meant that he could only take one of Sylar's powers, and he chose the shapeshifting.

Yeah, I caught that too. But then I was thinking about it - and how the hell would Peter and Nathan have a chance against Sylar if Peter could only come away with one power? The plan was for Peter to touch Sylar - so the plot driver is that he can get all of Sylar's powers in order to fight him. Of course there are so many points throughout the entire series that the writers seem to forget crucial points like this (and Claire's blood for example).

Another one that's probably forgotten was when Peter met up with the future Sylar. Sylar wouldn't LET Peter take his power (including and namely The Hunger) - not without at least allowing him to do so.

The show leaves so many seeming little holes in each minor plot, but when you stop to think about them they turn out to be gaping holes.

Claire's blood omission was retarded but Peter taking Sylar's power in the future is easy to explain.

You can have the power all along like Sylar but until you fully understand it than you don't get the hunger associated with it.

Its not like Sylar had any hunger until he was much older and actually did all that stuff with the watches.

Like Nathan right now.

He would be killing people left and right because after all it is Sylar's body so he obviously has Sylar's power and has had it for over 3 months but the fact that he hasnt killed anyone means that "the hunger" is not there. The fact that he hears the clock ticking fast means the power is beginning to emerge.

What Sylar did in the future is pretty fast-tracked Peter so he could develop the power in a matter of minutes instead of months/years.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
I thought Peter took all of Sylar's powers.

I don't think so. If he did he would have gone after Sylar immediately. Peter was also bleeding after the fight (which would have healed if he had all of the powers).

 

[threeringbinder]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: SunnyD
As has been mentioned -

Why the hell didn't Claire use her blood to fix Nathan... AGAIN (it was stolen by Papa Petrelli and used after Nathan was shot by Future Peter early last season).

And for all the powers Sylar had, flying wasn't one of them. So even though he thinks he's Nathan, what happens when Nathan tries to fly and can't?

Sylar did pick up flying in the fight with Nathan. He flew back into the hotel room and landed softly... though I dunno why he needs it, telekinesis can effectively do the same thing (we saw Sylar hover into the garage with super-hearing lady a couple seasons back, which is why he got the jump on her).

A tie back to season one with the whole "multiple time lines represented as threads". This is a thread leading back to the original future timeline.

I've said this for a few episodes now - the design of this season (or the end of it) appears to be that Sylar is getting back to the position he was in the future of Season 1 - posing as Nathan as the president.

I still want Peter to get his full power back, that is always key somewhere.

I think he essentially just did (by taking Sylar's powers). Sylar ended up getting the "empathic" power absorb back in Pinehurst with Elle. Remember, he also used it on the shapeshifter too. So essentially, as long as Peter doesn't take a new power with his power, he can use Sylar's absorb power just like his used to be. Of course what the writers will obviously fail to take into account is that Peter would also have taken "The Hunger" (again). But then again, Peter was all beat up after the fight, so did he not get Sylar's (Claire's) healing back?

If I were writing this show for next season - the one simple act of Peter taking on Sylar's powers would be even more important than Sylar being Nathan. Keep in mind, Peter is self-destructive - to top it off he now has: The Hunger, Lie Detector, Memory Reading, Shape Shifting and his original (well Sylar's version) of Empathic Absorption. Not to mention, he was with Parkman in the final scene, so he could easily have absorbed Mind Reading/Control now too. Imagine the notion that with all of those powers, he has GOT to know about the Sylar plan. Angela alluded that she would lie about it to her family, but the last scene Peter obviously knows.

I think Peter could be a better plot driver next season than Sylar has been since the first season. And not to mention - not suck either!

After Peter jabbed Sylar with the syringe didn't he say: "I bet you didn't think I took that one."

To me that meant that he could only take one of Sylar's powers, and he chose the shapeshifting.

could be the lying detector power as well...Sylar would've sense something was wrong, and that Peter was shape shifting...

What's strange is that when Peter's dad sucked Peter's powers, Peter was left powerless...if Peter sucked Sylar's powers, wouldn't he be left powerless as well? seemed like Peter sucked alot of powers when they did handshake as president and the secret service...