HEROES

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
sylar assumes the identity of nathan. he convinces the other heroes he flew away after he took peter up and no one is the wiser.

Depends on if Parkman or Peter lives.

Being a former cop, I'd lay good odds on Parkman wearing a bulletproof vest.

Wasn't he bleeding? He didn't look so good being loaded into the ambulance.

 

[lupi]

hmm, I thought from the last episode when the illusionist chick was talking that she'd be a fat chick but she looked the same once knocked out and the other illusions went away.


oh, and Hiro, you look bad ass

 

[lupi]

6 minutes left and Hiro filets Sylar, what is gonna happen now.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
sylar assumes the identity of nathan. he convinces the other heroes he flew away after he took peter up and no one is the wiser.

Depends on if Parkman or Peter lives.

Being a former cop, I'd lay good odds on Parkman wearing a bulletproof vest.

Wasn't he bleeding? He didn't look so good being loaded into the ambulance.

I'll have to check when I get home. Even if they didn't pierce him, it still could have been enough to break some ribs or something.

 

[lupi]

Damn, Nathan saves the day. That was pretty sweet and out of the blue.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
sylar assumes the identity of nathan. he convinces the other heroes he flew away after he took peter up and no one is the wiser.

Depends on if Parkman or Peter lives.

Being a former cop, I'd lay good odds on Parkman wearing a bulletproof vest.

Wasn't he bleeding? He didn't look so good being loaded into the ambulance.

I'll have to check when I get home. Even if they didn't pierce him, it still could have been enough to break some ribs or something.

Just started reading some of the thread from the last ep. It looks like he had a vest on cause the slugs caused extensive damage to his shirt when they made contact and without a vest underneath they would have just gone through.

 

[lupi]

So Sylar manages to escape?

And that generations looks cool from the initial clip.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: lupi
So Sylar manages to escape?

And that generations looks cool from the initial clip.

Seems like it, and yes

 

[Aikouka]

If they add ninjas, I will be happy no matter what the Japanese says .

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
If they add ninjas, I will be happy no matter what the Japanese says .

What about pirates?

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Aikouka
If they add ninjas, I will be happy no matter what the Japanese says .

What about pirates?

How about land bound pirates that dress like ninjas!

 

[alrocky]

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: tagej
My guess is that both Petrelli brothers somehow survived the explosion to be back next season.......

Originally posted by: Joemonkey
Nathan COULD have flown Peter way freakin' up there (remember how fast he can fly?) then dropped him and flew out of the blast radius... then he landed unharmed, and peter regenerated from the blast and fell down

Nathan sacrificed himself to be with his brother.

Nathan Flew Peter into the vacuum of space. It was unlikely he even survived the trip. If Peter Survived he won't just fall, he will have to fly back to earth. That is if he was killed from no atmosphere.

Assuming Issac's paintings and drawings have at least a smidgen of truth, Nathan could survive or if not, Sylar acquires Candice's illusion power and assumes Nathan's persona in a political office. Future Peter survived the blast so present day Peter should too. We don't know how high they flew.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
first of all, im a very big proponent of the single future / destiny / fate angle

very disappointed that NYC didnt blow up - thats not true to the predictions that confirmed future-seeing heroes made

BUT, this is my theory for next season...

nathan is gone (presumed dead), but he already won the election and no one except for peter knows for sure if he blew up (could have flown away after taking him up)
sylar knows this information
sylar gets healthy again (not sure how this happens, somehow related to that cockroach)
sylar finds candice (shapeshifter) in that building where the final confrontation was held, and kills her and gets her power (which he displayed in the future ep)
then, he blows up new york using the power he stole from ted (he is not harmed by his own power)
with NYC in shambles, nathan dead, sylar assumes the identity of nathan. he convinces the other heroes he flew away after he took peter up and no one is the wiser.
we THOUGHT nathan died at the hands of sylar based on teh future ep, but this could have been the way he died
this still all fits with the paintings and predictions

all the predictions showed nathan as pres, but in reality could have been sylar posing as nathan all along.
since hiro is now back in time, all the heroes are mostly injured, and people think sylar is dead, he could set the explosion off with little resistance.
i dont think peter is dead, but he knows the truth about his explosion. so what doesnt jive is his future self claiming to be the one that exploded. they could write some explanations for thsi... like when nathan took him up he lost consciousness and sylar-as-nathan tells him he couldnt get him far enough away? problem with this tho is that earlier when peter blacks out his combustion ceases...

well thats my theory, id love to see that as ep 1 next season

Not gonna happen. More than anything the overriding message of the finale is that the future is not set. Nathan and his mother and Linderman all saying there's nothing anybody can do to stop it......then it gets stopped. Also, in Future Hiro's timeline, the bomb goes off the day after the election, so that future is no more.

Clearly the new villain for Volume Two will be more cerebral in nature....probably telepathic.

Sylar may be alive, but I doubt the viewing public is up for another season of head splitting, so if he is he'll probably be considerably reigned in....likely by the new villain.

i didnt see anything in the episode that would clearly show the future has been changed. whether or not the future episode holds true, i do believe everything that was drawn (comics/painting) must come true. i would argue that situations like Hiro going back to save the waitress but her still dying suggest the future is set, they may think they are changing it, but they are just the steps down the same path. i doubt they will take the show in this direction... they will probably just close that chapter (volume) of the story and start fresh, but nothing that happened in the finale assures that NYC cant still blow up.

 

[Homerboy]

simple question that I'm sure has already been asked but I can't sift through all these pages


#1) why didn't Peter just fly up and exploded
#2) If not flying, why didn't they just kill him with the gun... in #1 and #2 Nathan did not have to die at all.
#3) NOBODY NOTICED SYLAR WAS GONE? He's only the biggest known threat to the world.
#4) .... I could go on and on.

Weak ending for a great show.

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: alrocky

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: tagej
My guess is that both Petrelli brothers somehow survived the explosion to be back next season.......

Originally posted by: Joemonkey
Nathan COULD have flown Peter way freakin' up there (remember how fast he can fly?) then dropped him and flew out of the blast radius... then he landed unharmed, and peter regenerated from the blast and fell down

Nathan sacrificed himself to be with his brother.

Nathan Flew Peter into the vacuum of space. It was unlikely he even survived the trip. If Peter Survived he won't just fall, he will have to fly back to earth. That is if he was killed from no atmosphere.

Assuming Issac's paintings and drawings have at least a smidgen of truth, Nathan could survive or if not, Sylar acquires Candice's illusion power and assumes Nathan's persona in a political office. Future Peter survived the blast so present day Peter should too. We don't know how high they flew.

If the nuclear ability creates a nuclear fallout (Which I am almost sure it does), They had have to fly high enough for the blast to be out of Earth's Atmosphere. Otherwises whats the point? If they flew just high enough for the blast to not destroy NY, people would still die from the nuclear fallout.

Therefore, unless Nathan and Peter also have the ability to survive in a vacuum, I doubt they are alive. Maybe Peter could come back to life if he is brought back to a stable atmosphere. But who could do that?

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
first of all, im a very big proponent of the single future / destiny / fate angle

very disappointed that NYC didnt blow up - thats not true to the predictions that confirmed future-seeing heroes made

BUT, this is my theory for next season...

nathan is gone (presumed dead), but he already won the election and no one except for peter knows for sure if he blew up (could have flown away after taking him up)
sylar knows this information
sylar gets healthy again (not sure how this happens, somehow related to that cockroach)
sylar finds candice (shapeshifter) in that building where the final confrontation was held, and kills her and gets her power (which he displayed in the future ep)
then, he blows up new york using the power he stole from ted (he is not harmed by his own power)
with NYC in shambles, nathan dead, sylar assumes the identity of nathan. he convinces the other heroes he flew away after he took peter up and no one is the wiser.
we THOUGHT nathan died at the hands of sylar based on teh future ep, but this could have been the way he died
this still all fits with the paintings and predictions

all the predictions showed nathan as pres, but in reality could have been sylar posing as nathan all along.
since hiro is now back in time, all the heroes are mostly injured, and people think sylar is dead, he could set the explosion off with little resistance.
i dont think peter is dead, but he knows the truth about his explosion. so what doesnt jive is his future self claiming to be the one that exploded. they could write some explanations for thsi... like when nathan took him up he lost consciousness and sylar-as-nathan tells him he couldnt get him far enough away? problem with this tho is that earlier when peter blacks out his combustion ceases...

well thats my theory, id love to see that as ep 1 next season

Not gonna happen. More than anything the overriding message of the finale is that the future is not set. Nathan and his mother and Linderman all saying there's nothing anybody can do to stop it......then it gets stopped. Also, in Future Hiro's timeline, the bomb goes off the day after the election, so that future is no more.

Clearly the new villain for Volume Two will be more cerebral in nature....probably telepathic.

Sylar may be alive, but I doubt the viewing public is up for another season of head splitting, so if he is he'll probably be considerably reigned in....likely by the new villain.

i didnt see anything in the episode that would clearly show the future has been changed. whether or not the future episode holds true, i do believe everything that was drawn (comics/painting) must come true. i would argue that situations like Hiro going back to save the waitress but her still dying suggest the future is set, they may think they are changing it, but they are just the steps down the same path. i doubt they will take the show in this direction... they will probably just close that chapter (volume) of the story and start fresh, but nothing that happened in the finale assures that NYC cant still blow up.

The online comics show a definite change from the future.
In the future, wireless girl was still alive. She dies in the latest comic.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
i didnt see anything in the episode that would clearly show the future has been changed. whether or not the future episode holds true, i do believe everything that was drawn (comics/painting) must come true. i would argue that situations like Hiro going back to save the waitress but her still dying suggest the future is set, they may think they are changing it, but they are just the steps down the same path. i doubt they will take the show in this direction... they will probably just close that chapter (volume) of the story and start fresh, but nothing that happened in the finale assures that NYC cant still blow up.

Now we're getting into the abstract. But I think the limitations on changing the past are limited to Hiro himself. He can't go back and change things.....his power prevents him. But he can go back and have others including his past self change things.

As I said, the timeline had the bomb going off at a specific date which passed, so that timeline is shot.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
simple question that I'm sure has already been asked but I can't sift through all these pages


#1) why didn't Peter just fly up and exploded
#2) If not flying, why didn't they just kill him with the gun... in #1 and #2 Nathan did not have to die at all.
#3) NOBODY NOTICED SYLAR WAS GONE? He's only the biggest known threat to the world.
#4) .... I could go on and on.

Weak ending for a great show.

I agree completely. If Peter was the one who was going to blow up all along, what threat did Sylar pose? I wanted him to DO something. Also, what did saving the cheerleader have to do with anything? Not letting Sylar get her regenerative powers? Again, I thought she would DO something in the final battle to stop Syler from doing whatever he was going to do. I think the whole season could have just been about Peter and Nathan, and had the same result. I'm very disappointed I watched all season.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

If Peter was the one who was going to blow up all along, what threat did Sylar pose?

Sylar had the power to be the bomb, who knew he wouldn't do it (other than Sylar in his future visions).

I wanted him to DO something. Also, what did saving the cheerleader have to do with anything? Not letting Sylar get her regenerative powers? Again, I thought she would DO something in the final battle to stop Syler from doing whatever he was going to do.

Without saving her, her father would never had come forward at the end to save his brother.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
simple question that I'm sure has already been asked but I can't sift through all these pages


#1) why didn't Peter just fly up and exploded
#2) If not flying, why didn't they just kill him with the gun... in #1 and #2 Nathan did not have to die at all.
#3) NOBODY NOTICED SYLAR WAS GONE? He's only the biggest known threat to the world.
#4) .... I could go on and on.

Weak ending for a great show.

1) took all his energy to not explode. he couldn't handle doing anything else.
2) no one (other than the incapable bennet) had the balls to pull the trigger. nathan may not be dead.
3) yeah that was pretty ridiculous

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Rob9874

If Peter was the one who was going to blow up all along, what threat did Sylar pose?

Sylar had the power to be the bomb, who knew he wouldn't do it (other than Sylar in his future visions).

I wanted him to DO something. Also, what did saving the cheerleader have to do with anything? Not letting Sylar get her regenerative powers? Again, I thought she would DO something in the final battle to stop Syler from doing whatever he was going to do.

Without saving her, her father would never had come forward at the end to save his brother.

And in saving her, Peter came in contact with her and gained her power.

 

[alrocky]

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: alrocky
Assuming Issac's paintings and drawings have at least a smidgen of truth, Nathan could survive or if not, Sylar acquires Candice's illusion power and assumes Nathan's persona in a political office. Future Peter survived the blast so present day Peter should too. We don't know how high they flew.

If the nuclear ability creates a nuclear fallout (Which I am almost sure it does), They had have to fly high enough for the blast to be out of Earth's Atmosphere. Otherwises whats the point? If they flew just high enough for the blast to not destroy NY, people would still die from the nuclear fallout.

Therefore, unless Nathan and Peter also have the ability to survive in a vacuum, I doubt they are alive. Maybe Peter could come back to life if he is brought back to a stable atmosphere. But who could do that?

We don't know if he went "nuclear." We don't know if they were in a vaccum. Ted radiated early on but at Noah's house, IIRC noone complained of radiation. Things in heads stop Claire and Peter. Since Future Peter survived the blast, so should present Peter. Does Nathan know that Peter is going nuclear and how high to fly and have time before he blows? Perhaps Peter Telekinesis Nathan away before the Big Bang.

Writers can 'leave them dead' or bring them back. To remain consistent with Issac's art work, Nathan returns or Sylar assumes his persona via Candice.

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the timeline had the bomb going off at a specific date which passed, so that timeline is shot.

That specific timeline may be history but that general 'future history' may still be in play. Mind you I'd rather not see some version of Five Years Gone played out.

Without saving her, her father would never had come forward at the end to save his brother.

That's my conclusion as well. Future Hiro guessed right for the wrong reason when he told Peter to: Save the Cheerleader, Save the World.

---

And in saving her, Peter came in contact with her and gained her power.

Which wasn't needed for Future Peter to survive the blast since this is no indication they ever met. It was needed to survive his encounters with Sylar.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
i didnt see anything in the episode that would clearly show the future has been changed. whether or not the future episode holds true, i do believe everything that was drawn (comics/painting) must come true. i would argue that situations like Hiro going back to save the waitress but her still dying suggest the future is set, they may think they are changing it, but they are just the steps down the same path. i doubt they will take the show in this direction... they will probably just close that chapter (volume) of the story and start fresh, but nothing that happened in the finale assures that NYC cant still blow up.

Now we're getting into the abstract. But I think the limitations on changing the past are limited to Hiro himself. He can't go back and change things.....his power prevents him. But he can go back and have others including his past self change things.

As I said, the timeline had the bomb going off at a specific date which passed, so that timeline is shot.

Pretty sure one of the first couple episodes showed the bomb exploding in the day, but the fight (and this bomb) happened at night. Of course, pretty sure they wouldn't start off next season with new york blowing up less than 24 hours after the previous season ended.

no one (other than the incapable bennet) had the balls to pull the trigger. nathan may not be dead.

I'd say nikki could have done it.

Ted radiated early on but at Noah's house, IIRC noone complained of radiation.

The character was introduced as having killer his wife through radiation, I think he generates it. Though he did have his powers come under enough control to later be able to control how much radiation he put out.

 

[hdeck]

the original bomb date may have passed for us, but there is no indication they are past it on the show (since the bomb went off mid november and elections generally happen in early november).

in the early episode, the bomb went off during the day time & petrelli had already won the election.
in the future episode, the bomb went off the day of the election (don't think they specified the time of day).
in the season finale, the bomb went off the day after the election (or maybe the night of).

 

[lupi]

I think they always talked about the bomb going off the day after the election, even in the previous shows.


I did read a small article with a tvguide peep talking to one of the shows producers. He mentioned the talk people were having about why Peter just didn't fly himself and some of the theories. Reply was along the lines of we just wanted Nathan to do it.