A better analogy would be that you buy a car that's advertised to go 0-60 in 7s and do the 1/4 mile in 15s.
Somewhere in the spec sheet it says the engine has 15psi fuel injectors. Later you find out they're only 13psi fuel injectors, but the manufacturer uses a combustion chamber shape that makes it as effective as 15psi.
So you return your car and get one that's a bit cheaper and does 0-60 in 7.5s and does the 1/4 mile in 15.5s.
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I am not defending Nvidia, but I must say, I do find the stance that their prices are unjustified rather one-sided and unrealistic.
if the top end stays at 550$ and the tier 2 stays at 350$ or lower, I am all for it. who am I to care if people is willing to pay 200$ for 10% performance gain? not my business I would love it if the price of gpu stabilizes like intel cpus. you know exactly what you get just from the prices.It doesnt matter what a niche product targetted for DP compute will sell for. It only matters what will carry the volume in the optimal profit ratio curve.
The prices doesnt seem to have changed to me if you remember the external costs. HD7970 was 550$, GTX680 was 500$, 290X was 550$. GTX980 is 550$ for example. Its quite clear the market cant carry higher prices on volume products. The GTX970 for example wasnt released at 330$ for their green eyes sake. Just as the 399$ 290 when it was released.
if the top end stays at 550$ and the tier 2 stays at 350$ or lower, I am all for it. who am I to care if people is willing to pay 200$ for 10% performance gain? not my business I would love it if the price of gpu stabilizes like intel cpus. you know exactly what you get just from the prices.
Not sure what you were expecting. The new MSRP for a 290X is $299; the BEST 290X, MSI Lightning is $299.
http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=14-127-787
NCIX recently had a PowerColor 290X on sale for $263 with a $30 MIR bringing the price down to $233.Yeah, but it's been at that price for at least two weeks. When I'm told price cut, I expect a lower price than what I've been seeing.
No.
A good car analogy is buying an electric car that has a spec range of 80 miles with a top speed of 110 miles an hour. Initial reviewers test acceleration, the top speed, the handling, the infotainment system, however they fail to test the range because reviewers assume the car manufacturer is being truthful and 100% forthcoming with the specs and the implicit assumption is that the car will hold the same performance over the entire 80 mile range.
Then 6 months after release date consumers find out that yes, the car does have 80 mile range, but in order to achieve that 80 mile range, the car goes into limp mode for the last 10 miles where you can only go as fast as 25 miles an hour tops.
Now, some consumers may be totally fine with 70 mile range, and extra 10 mile range for them is just a bonus, while other consumers either have a 70 mile commute plus minus 5 miles already, or anticipate changing a job where the commute will exceed 70 mile range. The latter consumers would obviously be better fit with a car that has true 80 mile advertised range even if it can only go to 100 miles an hour.
Now, this IMO is a much better analogy to 970 vs 290/290X debate.
well, top end is 980 gtx bro or 780/ti, mid range are 960 or 760. I consider mid range tier 3, price should be 250 max.You should care, a lot actually. That's because if NV/AMD condition us that $500-550 is a normal price for a next gen mid-range chip, then the top tier will keep climbing from $550 but $650-700+ (780/780Ti). If NV can get away with selling 680/980 mid-range chips at $500-500, then AMD could release their mid-range R9 370X with 5% more performance at $400 and raise R9 380X large-die price to $700. GM200 could also be $700-800. Why would we want that, unless you happen to be an AMD/NV shareholder.
Would you have been OK to pay $500 for a GTX460 or a GTX560Ti, while GTX480 and 580 were 'delayed' (not in a rush to launch them) for say 9-12 months? In that case can you imagine how high AMD could have priced 6850 and 6870 and also just delay 6950/6970? You see how it becomes a snow-ball effect? Both companies are in the business to make money but ultimately it is us consumers who vote if their products are prices within reason.
Some people on our forum either want to close their eyes to these new trends since 2012 or just think consumers are powerless; so they accept these new prices. $349 GTX470 and 570 were from the same lineage as the $650 GTX780. GTX480 and 580 were also $499 but 780Ti suddenly jumped to $699.
980 is really nothing more but a 960Ti that NV called a 980 and jacked up the price to $550-600 because its customer base is willing to pay those prices based on the success of a 680. You may think this has no effect on you but it means all segments of the GPU industry will go up in price. Just look at how sad the performance of a 960 is at $200. Back then there is no way NV would have called such card an x60 series. Since prices of cards like 980 are so high, AMD can itself price its newer cards much higher than they normally would have been able to. In effects, this hurts us gamers while AMD/NV are winning. If we voted with our wallet and skipped $550-600 mid-range chips, NV/AMD would have no choice but to reconsider their pricing strategies.
well, top end is 980 gtx bro or 780/ti, mid range are 960 or 760. I consider mid range tier 3, price should be 250 max.
may I ask why you think a 980 is just a mid range? if we compare it to 780, which was the flagship card of the last gen nv cards. it is more than 30% increase right?
Thanks OP for pointing out the Fix3r stuff, I ended up winning a 290x in the Twitter giveaway
Thanks OP for pointing out the Fix3r stuff, I ended up winning a 290x in the Twitter giveaway
Nice! I never win anything lol
Congrats! I was going to opt in so I could give it away here but I never made a twitter account. I don't like being on too many social media sites. :\
Thanks, I am probably going to have to do a rebuild to make it all work out lol. I current run a mini-ITX build that doesn't have the cooling capacity or a large enough PSU. I wonder what cooler it will have?
I wonder if it'll be the Asus Double Dissipation. That's the card they offered a discount on for the dissatisfied 970 fans.
Asus DirectCU II or XFX Double D?
Still around 380-430 euros in Germany. Apparently we dont get the nice price cuts.
You beat me to it! Amazing price. I wonder how many people will still buy the 960 when an after-market R9 290 is $220!
Or an R9 285 for that matter.
I actually think its going to be a Gigabyte Reference 290x according to a youtube video that was posted when they interviewed the fixer.