[hexus.net]AMD claims it will power another gaming device

[Vesku]

My guess is Nintendo for the gaming console and an advanced set top box (i.e. home automation features) for the "other". Not sure which would be x86 and which ARM, though. Assumption would be Nintendo x86 but they prioritize power efficiency fairly highly with their consoles and an ARM APU will probably end up with a better power profile.

 

[positivedoppler]

My guess is both devices are hand held since Lisa was quoted as saying both devices will start generating revenue in 2016. My interpretation is it will be on 14nm the same year AMD transitions to 14-16nm. A good reason to wait until 14 nm would be that both device has to be low power and therefore mobile. Beyond gaming might mean one of them is a phone/game hybrid?

$1 billion over three years or 333 million/year which equates to each of the design pulling in 167 million per year initially. If margins are close to the consoles of about $100 that means both devices will move about 1.5 million/ year.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

We both know that the release of Zelda fanboys are going to push the sales.


Just how Monster Hunter was almost the sole reason for the PSP sales back in the day.

Games > Platforms.

LOL Yeah I am actually one of those zelda fan boys. I am actually a super huge Zelda fan but this last release of Zelda Hyrule Warriors really let me down. Nothing like Zelda nothing at all.I am super hyped up for the new Zelda coming out next year.Even more of a fan of Metroid recently.I think they should just ditch the Wiiu before it becomes the next dreamcast and postpone all of next years big title games and release them on the next console if that is whats being hyped up here.

 

[pw257008]

What are you on about? Wii U has the best selection of games right now.

:thumbsup:

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

What are you on about? Wii U has the best selection of games right now.

The Wii U is already considered a commercial failure -- Third party support is already gone and retailers are shrinking their inventories. Wii U console sales are up 10% this month, but considering how low they originally were -- that's not saying much.

It's actually depressing for people who grew up as Nintendo fans.... They've gotten so juvenile with their software development (Pokemon), that nobody over the age of 12 is really buying their stuff anymore in any kind of volume.

The Xbox One probably has a better library of games right now..... It helps when third parties actually make games for a game console. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo pulls the plug on the Wii U quickly and sends it to the same grave as the Virtual Boy.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

That is what I was trying to iterate here as well. I know my children wont even touch the Wii u any more and they always end up playing Xbox.I feel like I got ripped off royally right after I purchased the darn thing specially after finding out most of the third parties were ditching this console altogether.Pokemon,mario,and zelda can only take there console so far.There is still a lot of potential for there console but it takes money to make money and Nintendo is losing money hand over fist.Personally I would love to see some more adult content released on the system instead of all the little kiddie titles. Watch dogs was just to little to late and should have been released when first expected.

 

[Piotrsama]

I was going to suggest: What if it's a Microsoft portable console?

Then I found this interesting graph, don't know if the market is big enough.

 

[nurturedhate]

We could be completely over thinking this and they are just referring to a die shrunk ps4/xbone.

 

[TheELF]

My guess is both devices are hand held since Lisa was quoted as saying both devices will start generating revenue in 2016. My interpretation is it will be on 14nm the same year AMD transitions to 14-16nm. A good reason to wait until 14 nm would be that both device has to be low power and therefore mobile. Beyond gaming might mean one of them is a phone/game hybrid?

You can't design something around a chip that doesn't exist jet,for "it" to come out in 2016 "they" will have to be designing it already so it will probably be a currently existing apu.

Unless of course they are going completely generic, like the aforementioned steambox theory.

 

[soccerballtux]

I wonder if MS/Sony realized the current 2 consoles are just not up to it. A stronger CPU based console would make wonders.

what? the CPU is fine it's the GPU that needs beef

6 cores x86 at 1.8ghz is a ton of processing power. Ubisoft would still waste it on unoptimized expensive pointless single-threaded mutexed physics calculations anyways, waste more on 96khz resampling or something silly to market, so I don't see why it needs more power.

Good AI is too difficult to write for every video game, throwing more CPU at it won't help you if you're still running Windows95.

HL2 still had the best face-emotion engine and we haven't seen it anywhere, nor will we ever. More CPU is not what is needed

 

[soccerballtux]

We both know that with the release of Zelda, fanboys are going to push the sales.


Just how Monster Hunter was almost the sole reason for the PSP sales back in the day.

Games > Platforms.

I can't help but see them go Sega on us

 

[NTMBK]

Nintendo still has a massive cash pile. They could lose money at their current rate for decades and still have money left. They aren't going to abandon a fundamentally sound business model because of one badly marketed product.

 

[Ionith]

It's the redesigned Wii U.

 

[MisterLilBig]

I'll predict two possible products, a SteamBox by Asus with a double Carrizo SoC. Or the next Nintendo "console", something similar to the Shield Tablet, with a custom AMD ARM SoC.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

I wonder if MS/Sony realized the current 2 consoles are just not up to it. A stronger CPU based console would make wonders.

Again, you're just regurgitating whatever fanboy fodder you can get your hands on.

With the DX API and windows itself, every line of code has to go through a software layer that isn't even close to "metal." With a set CPU, barebones OS and not any major software conversion overhead, there's no reason why a 1.8Ghz x86 CPU wouldn't perform like a 4-5Ghz CPU of the same variant in Windows or Linux.

The video cards in the consoles need to be beefed up, if anything.

 

[mrmt]

The volumes AMD reported for both design winds, around 100MM per quarter for both chips, isn't consistent with another high volume product like the XB1 or the PS4.

 

[zlatan]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/08/us-nintendo-emergingmarkets-idUSBREA4703U20140508

This might be it.

 

[Ancalagon44]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/08/us-nintendo-emergingmarkets-idUSBREA4703U20140508

This might be it.

Very interesting.

It sounds like they are saying it will be something new, rather than adapting the 3DS or Wii U for the emerging markets.

A Nintendo phone running a custom version of Android with a custom Nintendo app store?

A Nintendo set top box/console?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Again, you're just regurgitating whatever fanboy fodder you can get your hands on.

With the DX API and windows itself, every line of code has to go through a software layer that isn't even close to "metal." With a set CPU, barebones OS and not any major software conversion overhead, there's no reason why a 1.8Ghz x86 CPU wouldn't perform like a 4-5Ghz CPU of the same variant in Windows or Linux.

The video cards in the consoles need to be beefed up, if anything.

PS4 runs a BSD variant and no DX at all. Yet its still lacking CPU badly.

 

[NTMBK]

I'll predict two possible products, a SteamBox by Asus with a double Carrizo SoC. Or the next Nintendo "console", something similar to the Shield Tablet, with a custom AMD ARM SoC.

"Double Carrizo"? As in, two Carrizo chips? That... just wouldn't work

 

[NTMBK]

Very interesting.

It sounds like they are saying it will be something new, rather than adapting the 3DS or Wii U for the emerging markets.

A Nintendo phone running a custom version of Android with a custom Nintendo app store?

A Nintendo set top box/console?

Probably something like a modern version of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQue_Player

Cost reduced last-gen hardware, with no physical game distribution to prevent piracy.

 

[Shehriazad]

We could be completely over thinking this and they are just referring to a die shrunk ps4/xbone.

Nah...that stuff was already talked about months ago. Why would it suddenly be news again if it was "already happening".

I'm pretty sure that this was speaking about something new.

P.s. yea that cheap Nintendo console for the "emerging markets" might be the thing.

You could probably build something on the hardware level of the normal Wii or slightly above it at a ridiculously low price if you let AMD make it with their APUs. Carrizo would actually be an insanely good choice for this. Console CPUs generally don't have insanely high mhz clocks...Carrizo might really shine there.

And if the console is a success you can bet your butt on it that I will be importing one to Europe if they don't sell it here.

 

[cbn]

For Steam Box, I have to wonder what will be the incentive to use SteamOS over Windows?

Cost? Yes, SteamOS it will be cheaper for the OEM to use.....but will it be enough to offset the lack of games?

Performance? For AMD GPUs I expect the performance to be worse than Windows. And for how much cost savings? (Not to mention the relative lack of game selection)

Or will SteamOS be the sort of operating system that mostly gets installed on very low cost set-top boxes where the principal idea is to stream games rather than playing natively? If so, then I can potentially see a strong enough reason to use SteamOS and save a few bucks over Windows. (re: the price reduction on the OS is significant enough with very low cost hardware and the lack of game selection is a relative non issue if the primary method of playing the game is streaming.)

 

[Bateluer]

It's actually depressing for people who grew up as Nintendo fans.... They've gotten so juvenile with their software development (Pokemon), that nobody over the age of 12 is really buying their stuff anymore in any kind of volume.

I work with several 30 year old people who love the Wii U for Pokemon, Mario Kart, and Super Smash Bros.

 

[NTMBK]

For Steam Box, I have to wonder what will be the incentive to use SteamOS over Windows?

Cost? Yes, SteamOS it will be a little cheaper for the OEM to use.....but will it be enough to offset the lack of games?

Performance? For AMD GPUs I expect the performance to be worse than Windows. And for how much cost savings? (Not to mention the lack in difference in game selection)

Or will SteamOS be the sort of operating system that mostly gets installed on very low cost set-top boxes where the principal idea is to stream games rather than playing natively? If so, then I can potentially see a strong enough reason to use SteamOS and save a few bucks over Windows. (re: the price reduction on the OS is significant enough with very low cost hardware and the lack of game selection is a relative non issue if the primary method of playing the game is streaming.)

Even for streaming, SteamOS just seems like a bad idea. You're still stuck with lightly skinned Ubuntu, with poor support for e.g. popular streaming services. It would be better if Valve released a Steam streaming client for Android, given how many Android streaming devices and microconsoles there are out there already.