[hexus.net]AMD claims it will power another gaming device

[lefty2]

I'm a bit disappointed that both design wins are consoles. That makes AMD a one trick pony. I was hoping that at least one of them would be data-center related.

 

[krumme]

I'm a bit disappointed that both design wins are consoles. That makes AMD a one trick pony. I was hoping that at least one of them would be data-center related.

On the contrary. They need to get monopoly like advantages like Intel and NV have in their professional markets, thats where the profit is. They do that by specializing and focusing.

 

[ShintaiDK]

On the contrary. They need to get monopoly like advantages like Intel and NV have in their professional markets, thats where the profit is. They do that by specializing and focusing.

Consoles is still low margin nomatter how its turned. And the lack of legacy need makes it very volatile.

It does seem AMDs new future role is a console supplier away from the PC segment.

 

[MisterLilBig]

"Double Carrizo"? As in, two Carrizo chips? That... just wouldn't work

It works for the current consoles. I simply mean an 8 core carrizo APU or take two high end desktop APU's and make it one, in design. It's a semi-custom chip. Not glue two separate chips together...as I think you assumed.

 

[NTMBK]

It works for the current consoles. I simply mean an 8 core carrizo APU or take two high end desktop APU's and make it one, in design. It's a semi-custom chip. Not glue two separate chips together...as I think you assumed.

Okay yeah that makes a lot more sense! I thought you meant some wild assed dual socket thing. My bad. :thumbsup:

 

[AnandThenMan]

For Steam Box, I have to wonder what will be the incentive to use SteamOS over Windows?

Now running Windows is the obvious one, Valve can customize the OS how they see fit. And I don't know where you get the idea that SteamOS will be slower than Windows, Linux is almost always faster and lower overheard. Plus AMD drivers can target a specific distro/build of Linux.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Nintendo still has a massive cash pile. They could lose money at their current rate for decades and still have money left. They aren't going to abandon a fundamentally sound business model because of one badly marketed product.

Making consoles that only appeal to kids 10 and under is a fundamentally broken business model. They need to start courting third party or at least begin developing some titles for teenagers or adults -- or they're done. The Wii was a commercial success, but the amount of crapware released for it damaged their reputation. The Wii U is probably strike two.

I actually own a Wii U (I collect all consoles) -- it was a nice idea, but very few games actually need the specialized (and expensive to produce) gamepad. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo decides they need a reboot. Just because a game console maker has money -- means nothing. They need a good reputation among gamers as well. Look at Atari's last console -- they just had a huge cash infusion from their lawsuit win over Sega.... But it didn't matter -- the Jaguar had already flopped after 2 years on the market, it was game over.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

I can't help but see them go Sega on us

I agree... I have a feeling they will go that route as well. As much as I love Nintendo hardware, they just can't seem to sell anything that isn't a DS.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

PS4 runs a BSD variant and no DX at all. Yet its still lacking CPU badly.

That really is complete nonsense. The PS4 is easily the world's most powerful game console ever released by a pretty sizeable margin.

The huge sales success of the PS4 proves you are definitely on the wrong page. The PS3 was way too expensive at launch and ending up being a sales dud in the long term due to its overpricing at launch.

Sony definitely found the right balance of cost and performance with the PS4. I mean seriously, the PS4 has 10 TIMES the floating point performance of the PS3 (1.8 teraflops).... What the heck do you want from a $400 console? IMO Developers still haven't scratched the surface of what the Xbox One or PS4 is fully capable of.

http://www.geek.com/games/an-undera...e-worlds-most-powerful-games-console-1568216/

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

I work with several 30 year old people who love the Wii U for Pokemon, Mario Kart, and Super Smash Bros.

30 year olds (and 40 year olds) that play Pokemon:

Honestly, actual adults skip the Nintendo kiddie stuff and play games on PC, Xbox One or PS4 for the most part. Seriously, the Wii U has some gems like Bayonetta 2 or Zombi U..... But Pokemon, really?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Honestly, actual adults skip the Nintendo kiddie stuff and play games on PC, Xbox One or PS4 for the most part. Seriously, the Wii U has some gems like Bayonetta 2 or Zombi U..... But Pokemon, really?

No they dont. And Mario Karts for example is one of the absolute best games there is for any age.

If you want to call Nintendo for kiddie stuff. Then you also classify Xbox One and PS4 for nerdy acne infested teenagers without friends.

 

[lefty2]

On the contrary. They need to get monopoly like advantages like Intel and NV have in their professional markets, thats where the profit is. They do that by specializing and focusing.

Look at it this way, AMD already has nearly 100% of the APU console market. The two new consoles will be competing for the same market against xbox and PS4, so really AMD may not gain much in revenue.

 

[NTMBK]

30 year olds (and 40 year olds) that play Pokemon:

Honestly, actual adults skip the Nintendo kiddie stuff and play games on PC, Xbox One or PS4 for the most part. Seriously, the Wii U has some gems like Bayonetta 2 or Zombi U..... But Pokemon, really?

lol, okay, you keep telling yourself that while I go and play Donkey Kong co-op with my girlfriend.

 

[monstercameron]

lol, okay, you keep telling yourself that while I go and play Donkey Kong co-op with my girlfriend.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

No they dont. And Mario Karts for example is one of the absolute best games there is for any age.

If you want to call Nintendo for kiddie stuff. Then you also classify Xbox One and PS4 for nerdy acne infested teenagers without friends.

BS... Mario Kart is kiddie junk (and I own a Wii U). Nobody who plays Forza or Gran Turismo will give MK the time of day. I could accept a justification for Smash Brothers or Mario Party because they indeed great at parties.... But give me a break about Mario Kart -- its always been a pretty lame franchise even when it debuted on SNES.

The PS4 has roughly doubled Wii U console sales in half the time (1 year versus 2). I like my Wii U, but I also try living in reality. You should try it, too.

Research is also not your strong suit. The average age of Playstation users is 28 years old. The average gamer (over all platforms) is 34 years old (which is roughly where the Xbox consoles sit). While there is currently no reliable data on Wii U demographics, Nielsen determined the average age for the original Wii was between 6 to 11 years old. That's a very large discrepancy.

The only figure that really shocked me was that users for PS3 were an average age of 44.

http://www.gonintendo.com/s/73908-n...gorized-as-medium-users-and-light-tv-watchers

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/23/new-study-compares-360-ps3-consumers/

Nintendo is a kiddie console -- exactly as the company has targeted / marketed it that way. If you look at the best selling titles on Nintendo -- they are all rated at "E" for everyone. The best sellers on PS4 or Xbox are very different.... Like Titanfall or Killzone, rated "M" for 17+ years old. I've collected Nintendo consoles since 1987, but the vast majority of people migrate away from them by their teenage years.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

lol, okay, you keep telling yourself that while I go and play Donkey Kong co-op with my girlfriend.

I think you just illustrated my point.

While most people engage in other "extracurricular activities" with their respective girlfriends, you play Donkey Kong.

 

[pw257008]

This thread has gotten really stupid. Mario Kart is a great game, so is Smash Bros, as are pretty much all Nintendo franchises. And Donkey Kong is probably a little more realistic than Call of Duty and Battlefield and Halo (one man wars are as much fantasyland BS as Kremlings and Koopas).

 

[pw257008]

umm--yeah, we should get back on topic

 

[NTMBK]

lol, loving the discussion of my sex life. Glad you're all enjoying thinking about me naked so much :thumbsup: Have fun imagining.

Let's get back on topic, eh?

 

[cbn]

And I don't know where you get the idea that SteamOS will be slower than Windows, Linux is almost always faster and lower overheard. Plus AMD drivers can target a specific distro/build of Linux.

I was referring to the AMD Linux graphics drivers, see post #9 ---> http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36990950&postcount=9

P.S. If targeting a specific build/distro of linux can increase performance then I am looking forward to see that from both AMD and Nvidia.

 

[AnandThenMan]

If the Steam Box is using a variation of AMD's APU or AMD GPU then you'll have to ask Valve if they are concerned about graphics drivers.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Again, you're just regurgitating whatever fanboy fodder you can get your hands on.

With the DX API and windows itself, every line of code has to go through a software layer that isn't even close to "metal." With a set CPU, barebones OS and not any major software conversion overhead, there's no reason why a 1.8Ghz x86 CPU wouldn't perform like a 4-5Ghz CPU of the same variant in Windows or Linux.

The video cards in the consoles need to be beefed up, if anything.

The DX on the Xbox One is not your standard desktop DirectX; I believe Phil Spencer a few months ago basically said (paraphrasing) "Don't expect DirectX 12 to somehow be a silver bullet, we already have a lot of those improvements."

I think you just illustrated my point.

While most people engage in other "extracurricular activities" with their respective girlfriends, you play Donkey Kong.

...I wish my GF played video games. As it stands, any time I play a game she sighs. She only hates them though because I can lose track of time occasionally...but frankly, I find the women who play video games still can be quite mature. One of the best developers I know - she plays games (including the Nintendo classics), she does plenty of "social" events, runs a photography business and these days has a kid she takes care of. She's one of the geekier people I know (and so is her husband) and yet mature.

So you can take your silly conclusions about people who play games and...well, keep them to yourself.

 

[pw257008]

lol, loving the discussion of my sex life. Glad you're all enjoying thinking about me naked so much :thumbsup: Have fun imagining.

Let's get back on topic, eh?

sorry about that lol

 

[frozentundra123456]

I know plenty of adults who play games on the Wii. Casual sports, party games, along the the classic Mario Cart, Zelda, etc. Unfortunately, the WiiU did not bring much new to the table, so it has not sold well.

Somehow, though, it strikes me that those who accuse others of being childish or immature because they are interested in something other than what they like, maybe should look at themselves and try to find a little tolerance and acceptance of other's viewpoints.

 

[xthetenth]

Somehow, though, it strikes me that those who accuse others of being childish or immature because they are interested in something other than what they like, maybe should look at themselves and try to find a little tolerance and acceptance of other's viewpoints.

Even more than that, the people who talk as if the idea of spending time with a significant other outside the bedroom is insane strike me as inexperienced children or a prime demographic for relationship counseling.