[ Hexus ] Nvidia launches GeForce GT 710, says its 10x better than an IGP

[cbn]

lol 6-10 yr old systems? That's like living so far below the poverty line... Logically, there would be more important things in life if you cannot replace a 6-10 yr old system. But hey, let's replace the gpu so you could hook up that 4k monitor right? Makes total sense.

It doesn't have to be a person's primary system.

 

[cbn]

Linus TechTips answers your question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp6ltBCMDCE

It's crap. Don't waste your money.

For whatever reason AMD overprices all the low end cards. (And for quite some time even the Power Color R7 250X (640sp@ 1000 Mhz) was cheaper most of the time compared to the R7 250 (384sp @ 1000Mhz) DDR3 which is barely better than a R7 240 (320sp@ 780 Mhz).

They also made reference to the low profile passively cooled Zotac GT 730 (384sp GK208 with 64 bit DDR3) as being slower than Skylake GT2 (i7 6700K) @ 1080p in CS:GO (High),Tom Raider (medium) and Far Cry 4 (low). That doesn't surprise me terribly (due to the reduced bandwidth on the GK208) but as he did mention not everyone has Skylake GT2 (with dual channel DDR4 I presume).

 

[Magic Carpet]

eh, cheap way to run 6 monitors. traders will buy them.

I'd get one if it were available in PCI-E x1 format. It doesn't need the bandwidth so why occupy a full-size slot?

You know, suddenly I am beginning to like my 15W Kabini SoC. Just LMAO.

Then along comes GK208 DDR3 and slaughters them all (except for one test). And the best part, it was driven by the lousy A4-5000 APU, just imagine if it were paired with a proper CPU. Game over, literally. Haha.

Point being, GT 710 is a very slow / outdated card right out of the gate, no matter how you look at it. Sure as hell, my Conroe rig deserves something better (like 950/960 after the price drop) or maybe GP108.

EDIT: Anyway, here's another GK208 powered by 3770K, and I threw in some Broadwell candy for the sake of argument.

Intel drivers just can't seem to extract the best of their GPUs. Support has been very patchy. Nvidia is right about one thing though, Geforce is definitely better for gaming, but certainly not that GT 710. It seems to be the Kabini / Bail trail from Nvidia and we can easily smell the symptoms, cheap and low power. Repeat after me, cheeeeeap and low power. Are you sold yet?

 

[ZGR]

Sounds like they have a lot of excess stock.

 

[VirtualLarry]

So someone sits with say..i5 750. But Windows 10 doesn't support the dGPU or IGP. In your case they should buy an entirely new PC. Instead of a 30$ card that does all they need for a couple of years more? If not they are poor? And 4K minimum as well? Interesting view.

Exactly. I'm glad that the low-end dGPU market is getting some attention. Now all we need is a GTX940 or GT930 card with HDMI 2.0 and HEVC decode support, for HTPCs.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'd get one if it were available in PCI-E x1 format. It doesn't need the bandwidth so why occupy a full-size slot?

That could also be very useful for virtualization servers. Get a modern mobo with a number of PCI-E x1 2.0 or 3.0 slots, and a number of these cards (in a hypothetical x1 slot version), and you could assign a number of VM's their own dedicated GPU!

NVidia's missing a market here, I think.

 

[thesmokingman]

Exactly. I'm glad that the low-end dGPU market is getting some attention. Now all we need is a GTX940 or GT930 card with HDMI 2.0 and HEVC decode support, for HTPCs.

It's a slightly less slow card, shrugs. Yer not getting hdmi 2.0 or hevc hw for 30-50 bucks lol. The license and hw itself probably will cost that much. Also, you don't need decoding in HW, decoding is easy as hell with a cpu. It's the encoding that is what we all want and only the 960 has it in hw. Next gen both sides will come with encode/decode in hw it looks like, but again no idea on how far down the price scale it will reach.

 

[cbn]

Newegg has some GT 710s in stock:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...TCH&Description=gt+710&N=100007709&isNodeId=1

They start at $29.99 (after $5 rebate) with $2.99 shipping.

Even come with DDR3 @ 1800 rather than the usual DDR3 @ 1600.

Very nice price and spec for something that was just released. (Good job Nvidia)

Now lets see a bargain priced GM108 with 256sp Maxwell v1 (The extra L2 cache of the Maxwell design should allow the 64 bit DDR3 to work better than what we see with Kepler)

 

[SPBHM]

It's a slightly less slow card, shrugs. Yer not getting hdmi 2.0 or hevc hw for 30-50 bucks lol. The license and hw itself probably will cost that much. Also, you don't need decoding in HW, decoding is easy as hell with a cpu. It's the encoding that is what we all want and only the 960 has it in hw. Next gen both sides will come with encode/decode in hw it looks like, but again no idea on how far down the price scale it will reach.

your estimate for "license prices" makes no sense

also hw decoding for VP9 and HEVC is needed for slower (and power savings) CPUs, you have plenty of heavy 4K or even 1080P 60 videos that will kill most older dual core (and even quad core) CPUs.

 

[cbn]

For mild gaming I do wonder how these GT 710 192sp Keplers with 64 bit DDR3 @ 1800 would compare to 2014's Zotac GT 630 384sp Keplers with 64 bit DDR3 @ 1600.

Core vs. Bandwidth?

With that mentioned, apparently bandwidth isn't always the limiting factor. TipidPC tested the R7 240 vs. GT 630 (384sp Kepler with 64 bit DDR3) and actually found the GT 630 won 2 out of 4 games at 720p. (unfortunately the images for the test have been pulled down now though ---> http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36883277&postcount=58 )

 

[poofyhairguy]

. Also, you don't need decoding in HW, decoding is easy as hell with a cpu.

Maybe for old H264 sure. For 10 bit HEVC a full quality software decoder can eat an i3 alive. We need a HEVC decoder for future content.

I don't think we will see one in a sub-$100 card till Q3 at best looking at history.

 

[Magic Carpet]

For 10 bit HEVC a full quality software decoder can eat an i3 alive.

Do you have any graphs? What's the minimum CPU for trouble-free 10 BIT HEVC decoding?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Do you have any graphs? What's the minimum CPU for trouble-free 10 BIT HEVC decoding?

140mbit 4K HEVC 10bit needs around 60% on a 6700K with 88% peaks. (Bluray is 128mbit).

Note a GTX980 was used without any decode support.

 

[Magic Carpet]

140mbit 4K HEVC 10bit needs around 60% on a 6700K with 88% peaks. (Bluray is 128mbit).

Note a GTX980 was used without any decode support.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing! How widespread is this today? I don't really follow these things.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing! How widespread is this today? I don't really follow these things.

Netflix 4K is there in HEVC 10bit, obviously lower bitrate. Else its not really used much yet.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Netflix 4K is there in HEVC 10bit, obviously lower bitrate. Else its not really used much yet.

I see, well I am not into movies/Netflix and all of that stuff, much. But good to know, thanks.

 

[myocardia]

It's the encoding that is what we all want and only the 960 has it in hw.

As has already been said in this thread, the GTX 950 has both hardware encoding and decoding of H.265/HEVC.

The GTX 950's GM206 GPU ships with a new video engine that natively supports H.265 (HEVC) encode and decode in hardware

 

[Zodiark1593]

lol 6-10 yr old systems? That's like living so far below the poverty line... Logically, there would be more important things in life if you cannot replace a 6-10 yr old system. But hey, let's replace the gpu so you could hook up that 4k monitor right? Makes total sense.

This is also the gpu for the kiddies running hand-me-down systems and playing those free-to-play titles. :\