[Hexus]Nvidia pulls away from AMD in graphics card market share

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desprado

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Because as has been shown with VSR vs. DSR and traditional Super-sampling analysis by ComputerBase, NV induces more blur and even has contrast issues. It's all there at Conputerbase. It's not in every game but there are enough examples that peoce AMD's super-sampling produces superior IQ in enough games for this not to be a fluke.

BTW, up to and including Kepler, NV still hasn't provided Full RGB support over HDMI. I haven't used Maxwell yet but I know Full RGB requires a fix for all GTX 200/400/500/600/700/800 NV cards or you will never have accurate true full colours over HDMI:
http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=90500

You and I both know most NV users are unaware of this. Again, chuck another major graphics issue to ignore / not important status because NV...
So much BS.VSR only works with R9 285 and when it has proper support than we will talk.
 

KaRLiToS

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You must do something wrong, I just checked and it works on my side

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VSR is well off topic in this thread.
 

RussianSensation

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I think AMD needs to try and get a design win in 2015 MacBook Pros. Those type of wins get noticed by OEMs. Also, they need to keep making a push in pro graphics from today's 25% share to 30%. The current 50% off for FirePros might entice some users to think twice about Quadro. FreeSync needs to work well and if so it will provide a lot of incentive for owners with old cards to upgrade. If 300 series is close in perf/watt to Maxwell, they can become more competitive in 2015. AMD should continue to provide class leading 4K performance. The faster 4K monitors drop in price, the more high end dGPU market share AMD stands to gain.
 

caswow

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Not on my.

I have Sony 1080p 50 inch Tv but it is not working and where DSR works.

you would be the first one with not working vsr actually. i never read any complaint about vsr...do you even own an amd card?
 
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A decade ago I was completely on the red side when it was the ATI 9000s through the ATI X1900s. But one screw up (the X2900s) followed by an amazing release by Nvidia (the 8800GT) has had me team green since. The HD 5000s were a good release, but came at a time when I didn't need to upgrade.

The GTX 900s have been a disappointment to me, and the AMD 390X sounds like a buy to me right now based off hype. All it takes is one above and beyond release which AMD has not had since the 9000s (or a decade ago). I plan to single slot mod my Titans next year when they are the end of warranty and just keep them as dedicated compute cards. Doing so will open PCIe slots for a CF/SLI set of GPUs. I'm probably always going to be CUDA in the professional scene, but I could care less which it is when it comes to gaming.

As any well informed gamer should do.. buy whatever is best at the time.

We owe no loyalty to companies that are out to profit from us. Do people think JHH in his fleet in fancy sports car think about giving the best deal for gamers unless he was compelled to do so (re 970 pricing)? ie. By AMD being very competitive and forcing his hand.

In recent times, the mid-range 7970 at its launch price was also quite absurd, just because they could, they did. Then Titan took it to a new level, but Titan-Z tried to soar too high, crashed and burn.

What I want most, is that these companies keep on competing mercilessly against each other. We, the gamers, end up with innovation and affordability.

NV's DSR is a very good feature, AMD did needed to respond. VSR is a good response that will force NV to improve their DSR in the future for better IQ. We all benefit.
 

Creig

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If full RGB over HDMI is the worst you can come up with for nVidia. Then they are in pretty good shape. At least it didnt take 3 years to partially fix monitor sleep.
I don't recall AMD ever actually killing their own video cards through drivers that turned off the cooling fans like Nvidia did. Then there was Nvidia's 'bumpgate' incident that resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars worth of compensation for faulty GPUs (which still didn't cover all the personal losses of their customers). And how about the recent total ripoff pricing of the Titan ($1,000) and Titan Z ($3,000)?

Around here it seems that AMD is vilified for any error or perceived weakness, no matter how minor. Yet with Nvidia, it's 'forgive and forget'.
 

exar333

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I think AMD needs to try and get a design win in 2015 MacBook Pros. Those type of wins get noticed by OEMs. Also, they need to keep making a push in pro graphics from today's 25% share to 30%. The current 50% off for FirePros might entice some users to think twice about Quadro. FreeSync needs to work well and if so it will provide a lot of incentive for owners with old cards to upgrade. If 300 series is close in perf/watt to Maxwell, they can become more competitive in 2015. AMD should continue to provide class leading 4K performance. The faster 4K monitors drop in price, the more high end dGPU market share AMD stands to gain.

Good point.

4k performance isn't as meaningful right now (in my opinion) because all GPUs are struggling with performance on it. You really need multiple GPUs anyway to get acceptable performance on modern games using 4K, with the exception of some RTS titles or 'graphics-lite' games.

With 20nm/16nm (whatever comes first - LOL) 4k gaming performance could be the difference between wanting/needing 1 or 2 GPUs, and THEN it will be really important. SLI and CF scaling will also be key as as much more traffic will be needed between the GPUs.
 

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I don't recall AMD ever actually killing their own video cards through drivers that turned off the cooling fans like Nvidia did. Then there was Nvidia's 'bumpgate' incident that resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars worth of compensation for faulty GPUs (which still didn't cover all the personal losses of their customers). And how about the recent total ripoff pricing of the Titan ($1,000) and Titan Z ($3,000)?

Around here it seems that AMD is vilified for any error or perceived weakness, no matter how minor. Yet with Nvidia, it's 'forgive and forget'.

What you're calling scandals I'm calling great reasons to upgrade to a new nvidia card.
Praise nvidia for knowing when I want to upgrade to sli titans!
 

Genx87

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4K is going to remain niche for some time. And even when it becomes more mainstream. I expect it to remain niche compared to 1080p.
 

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4K is going to remain niche for some time. And even when it becomes more mainstream. I expect it to remain niche compared to 1080p.

It'll become mainstream fairly quick, but that doesn't mean you need to use it. My monitor resolution was something like 1680x1050 for the longest time. I only stopped using that monitor because it died. I'll get 4k in maybe 5 years or whenever this monitor dies. I'm pretty sure games released in 2020 will still support 1080p.
 

njdevilsfan87

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NV's DSR is a very good feature, AMD did needed to respond. VSR is a good response that will force NV to improve their DSR in the future for better IQ. We all benefit.

DSR doesn't even work for me. It's been a known problem with SLI Swift users for like 3 months now. For the first time ever, I'm actually a bit annoyed at Nvidia's driver team!
 

RussianSensation

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If full RGB over HDMI is the worst you can come up with for nVidia. Then they are in pretty good shape. At least it didnt take 3 years to partially fix monitor sleep.

Lol w00t! The very basic function of a videocard is to display accurate colours and produce images with high clarity. It took NV up to Fermi to fix their attrocious 2D. Until Maxwell (could include it too), you didn't get full colours on any consumer NV card over HDMI without a special fix. Since HDMI 2.0 4K is one of the killer features of Maxwell, this is a big deal. Not every AMD card has the bug sleep issue, but every single modern NV card up to and including Kepler can't produce accurate colours over HDMI out of the box plug-and-play.

However, given how there are so many loyal NV users since GF3 days, and virtually lack of any complaints on the Full RGB or poor 2D issues, and how many NV users run TN panels, it sometimes seems that NV gamers don't place a lot of value on accurate colours and high 2D clarity. Just to think how many NV owners right now running HDMI aren't getting proper colours from their GTX200-700 series...and they don't even know it. I guess ignorance is a bliss.
 
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desprado

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Lol w00t! The very basic function of a videocard is to display accurate colours and produce images with high clarity. It took NV up to Fermi to fix their attrocious 2D. Until Maxwell (could include it too), you didn't get full colours on any consumer NV card over HDMI without a special fix. Since HDMI 2.0 4K is one of the killer features of Maxwell, this is a big deal. Not every AMD card has the bug sleep issue, but every single modern NV card up to and including Kepler can't produce accurate colours over HDMI out of the box plug-and-play.

However, given how there are so many loyal NV users since GF3 days, and virtually lack of any complaints on the Full RGB or poor 2D issues, and how many NV users run TN panels, it sometimes seems that NV gamers don't place a lot of value on accurate colours and high 2D clarity. Just to think how many NV owners right now running HDMI aren't getting proper colours from their GTX200-700 series...and they don't even know it. I guess ignorance is a bliss.


I have R9 290X running on Sony 50inch TV and there is difference no color between GTX 780 Ti and R9 290X.
 

desprado

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Any plans to admit you were wrong now that others have shown otherwise?
What Wrong.Do even own R9 290X or just troll is ur hobby for living.

If am having the problem it does not mean everyone will be having same problem.So get a life.
 
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