Hexus review up - GTX480

[Hauk]

cool thanks, page loading..

 

[Lonyo]

AT is dead

 

[psychoticdream]

AT is dead

roflol gotta wonder how many hits did they get in that small time frame

 

[sandorski]

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[Skurge]

Did the sites get it this bad when the 5870 was launched?

 

[Skurge]

HardOCP is up

EDIT: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/26/nvidia_fermi_gtx_470_480_sli_review

 

[Lonyo]

Did the sites get it this bad when the 5870 was launched?

They get this bad when most major releases hit.

 

[Zebo]

LOFL what an embarrassment. This is FX5800 all over.

 

[Grooveriding]

LOFL what an embarrassment. This is FX5800 all over.

Give it 3 weeks and we'll be seeing all the threads about RMAed burnt out 480s :awe:

 

[MrK6]

Wow. Can't say I disagree with you. Well said. While the GTX480 may be hotter and less efficient, it still runs games (except crysis) faster than the HD5870. So overall I consider it single GPU king, even in lieu of Nvida's ill tactics.

Not to an enthusiast though. Hell, you can run a 5870 at 1GHz with less noise and power consumption than a GTX480, then benchmark the cards and see where they stand.

Anyway, Fermi is a disappointment to the average consumer and the enthusiast alike. Watercooling might be its saving grace.

 

[Acanthus]

LOFL what an embarrassment. This is FX5800 all over.

Except this time it is the fastest single GPU.

 

[1h4x4s3x]

Except this time it is the fastest single GPU.

That's kind of a pleonasm. :sneaky:

 

[psychoticdream]

That's kind of a pleonasm. :sneaky:

haha remember this??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZXhR1ibj8

 

[Rustican]

You care about MPG in NASCAR?

If powerconsumption, not performance, is your thing...go mid/lowrange....and quit whining

Faster is faster....get over it

Well if i have a car that goes 50mph faster than the rest, but has to pit every three laps for gas i would go for a more efficient car.

 

[MagickMan]

Except this time it is the fastest single GPU.

Again, unless you OC a 5870 to 1GHz, which is pretty easy to do.

 

[Xcobra]

Faster but hotter and louder (if not the hottest and loudest)...makes it hard to choose...damn it!

 

[Keysplayr]

This is what Keys said he couldn't stop smiling about, eh? A card with a bit more performance six months late that runs games at 92C and consumes almost twice the power? Fail. I can't see ATI really beating Fermi with a new single GPU SKU, but I can see one that ties Fermi with a lot lower power consumption. On the other hand, HD 5970 consumes less power, has a fair bit more performance, and might even cost less to make, so maybe they'll price drop it (at current prices it loses to Fermi for bang for the buck) and put on the squeeze that way.

This feels like R600 all over again if that card's AA performance wasn't broken and ATI decided to get the performance crown no matter how much cooling and how many watts the broken thing put off.

ATI has just plain out engineered NVIDIA, like NVIDIA outengineered them in G80 vs. R600 but to a slightly lesser extent. Hopefully, like R600, Fermi will lay the groundwork for a new line of revolutionary GPUs despite the fact that the original kind of sucks.

Hate to say it, but it looks like Charlie was spot on for once (his 5% faster claim being from 512SP 600MHz parts, this is exactly where one would expect a 480SP 700MHz part to be). I think that makes it 2 Charlie (bump gate, albeit exaggerated, and Fermi) 1 Nvidia (G80).

Negative Hurley Birdey. ATI severly UNDER engineered NVIDIA, the latter of which can now compete in a much wider market segments. May not mean much to you, but it might mean quite a bit to a harvard professor and gamer alike. And, I said I'd be smiling over the next few weeks. Dont' you find the performance of both the GTX470 and 480 very nice? Something aint Kosher if you don't, because this will drive ATI prices down. 5850 and 5870 alike.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Negative Hurley Birdey. ATI severly UNDER engineered NVIDIA, the latter of which can now compete in a much wider market segments. May not mean much to you, but it might mean quite a bit to a harvard professor and gamer alike. And, I said I'd be smiling over the next few weeks. Dont' you find the performance of both the GTX470 and 480 very nice? Something aint Kosher if you don't, because this will drive ATI prices down. 5850 and 5870 alike.

I disagree. From the gamers perspective (these are video cards afterall, made to run games) AMD has out engineered Nvidia. They have a much more effecient part. AMD was able to get their part on the market 6 months before Nvidia using the same process at the same foundry. The 5970 uses less power and is faster than the GTX480.

With that said, I understand that Fermi has a wider market than just games. And from that perspective Nvidia has really done their leg work and got things moving. Fermi may prove to be a real monster in the HPC world. Nvidia will basically have this market to themselves as things are now... AMD basically doesn't exist in this market.

*edit - The GTX480 has it's good points (it is fast, the fastest single GPU) but from an engineering standpoint it has some big negatives in opinion as well. It's power draw is simply outrages to me. I have a 900 watt power supply and can't believe that there is now a dual card set up I likely couldn't run... on a fricket 900 watt power supply. That's just nuts to me.

 

[Grooveriding]

Negative Hurley Birdey. ATI severly UNDER engineered NVIDIA, the latter of which can now compete in a much wider market segments. May not mean much to you, but it might mean quite a bit to a harvard professor and gamer alike. And, I said I'd be smiling over the next few weeks. Dont' you find the performance of both the GTX470 and 480 very nice? Something aint Kosher if you don't, because this will drive ATI prices down. 5850 and 5870 alike.

10% more performance for $100 more with a card that is an oven and sounds like a vacuum is not driving the 5870's price down anytime soon.

You might see the 5970 start selling for $599 though, in which case, might as well spend $100 more for 180% the performance of the 480.

Lame duck, and late to dinner.

 

[Acanthus]

10% more performance for $100 more with a card that is an oven and sounds like a vacuum is not driving the 5870's price down anytime soon.

You might see the 5970 start selling for $599 though, in which case, might as well spend $100 more for 180% the performance of the 480.

Lame duck, and late to dinner.

I would like to see how they do watercooled. That would eliminate the heat and noise issues and allow you to push the card a lot harder.

 

[HurleyBird]

Negative Hurley Birdey. ATI severly UNDER engineered NVIDIA, the latter of which can now compete in a much wider market segments.

Six months late, 50% bigger, 50% more transistors, more than 50% hotter, 15% performance improvement and in striking distance of a new Radeon SKU. Doesn't sound like much of an engineering miracle to me. You do realize that the more mainstream derivatives are going to blow serious chunks don't you? You can get good performance from an inefficient architecture by building a huge chip, but how is Nvidia going to take on the 5770... build a chip almost the size of cypress? And the lower down the market you go the worse it gets. They'd be better off taking G92 (again) and tacking on rudimentary DX11 functionality, but that would take up a lot more engineering talent they need to use to counter northern islands.

May not mean much to you, but it might mean quite a bit to a harvard professor and gamer alike. And, I said I'd be smiling over the next few weeks. Dont' you find the performance of both the GTX470 and 480 very nice?

No, I find the performance completely underwhelming. As a GPU compute platform it might be nice, but the consumer product has crippled DP performance and half the theoretical single precision performance as my 5870. It may be more efficient but I bet my Radeon will end up faster at compute then your Fermi by brute force alone once we have some good apps to test with. Feel free to call me out on this one if my post proves inaccurate in the future

Another thing to think about is that Fermi's power consumption is going to be a limiting factor into it's adoption for professional and compute cards. Personally I think Nvidia has to do a lot better than Fermi next time around or Fusion and Larabee are going to steal most of Nvidia's high profit compute niche.

Something aint Kosher if you don't, because this will drive ATI prices down. 5850 and 5870 alike.

At least back down to MRSP, which I of course like. I also think they'll bring in the squeeze by dropping 5970 prices and bring in a new SKU to at least tie GTX 480. What I don't like is that if Fermi came out as fast as it should have we'd be seeing even lower prices around the board.

 

[ronnn]

Come on mods lets have a sticky for one thread about this new release.

 

[BFG10K]

Come on mods lets have a sticky for one thread about this new release.

I tried that in the past but I got some negative feedback. Apparently some people like many different threads, each with a small piece of the puzzle. So this time around I'll let things slide, but I'll still lock obvious duplicates.

If you guys really want a single thread, PM me. If I get enough requests then I'll do it.

Senior Moderator BFG10K.

 

[Schmide]

If you guys really want a single thread, PM me. If I get enough requests then I'll do it.

and how much time did you spend fixing the soup you made of Batman Physx threads?

 

[BFG10K]

and how much time did you spend fixing the soup you made of Batman Physx threads?

I don't understand your question; what are you asking exactly?

If you're referring to the lost thread, that was an error with FuseTalk when I tried a thread merge. IIRC I didn't touch any of the other PhysX threads.

Senior Moderator BFG10K.