Hexus review up - GTX480

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Schmide

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BFG10K yeah that's what I was remembering. It seemed like a big headache and much more effort than it was worth. I just hope VB treats ya better. Sorry for the digression.
 

Keysplayr

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If you want to talk engineering Keys, I'll say Eyefinity.

I think eyefinity is cool with seamless monitors. But I don't think there is any comparison in engineering prowess here. Maybe ATI will do something next gen to really impress architectually. Right now, they are going for efficiency, and small die as possible, and people confuse this with superior engineering on an otherwise anemic chip.
 

SlowSpyder

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I think eyefinity is cool with seamless monitors. But I don't think there is any comparison in engineering prowess here. Maybe ATI will do something next gen to really impress architectually. Right now, they are going for efficiency, and small die as possible, and people confuse this with superior engineering on an otherwise anemic chip.

I understand you are more or less a compensated Nvidia spokesperson so you're going push Fermi's positives, but when you look at this thing from a more neutral set of eyes it's not this engineering marvel you want us to believe it is. It's design makes it slower and more power hungry than two of AMD's smaller dies (which AMD does put on it's fastest card).

AMD's small scalable design philosophy has allowed them to get their entire line up of parts out well before Nvidia could let one trickle in to the market. Now that Fermi is here, what we have is a part that is ~15% faster than AMD's second fastest part, but it does so by being loud and useing a LOT more power. Fermi has some ~800 million more transistors than Cypress, uses at least 170mm2+ more silicon (that's almost an entire additional Radeon 5770 worth of silicon), why isn't it much faster? AMD's fastest part trumps Fermi by a wide margin and even manages to do so while being more power effiecient, cooler running, and quieter despite having two GPU's and more memory. I'm just not seeing this engineering miracle in Fermi that you seem to see...

I think AMD out engineered Nvidia this time around. Good luck pushing this part in forums, it has some serious drawbacks.
 

T2k

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negative hurley birdey. Ati severly under engineered nvidia, the latter of which can now compete in a much wider market segments. May not mean much to you, but it might mean quite a bit to a harvard professor and gamer alike. And, i said i'd be smiling over the next few weeks. Dont' you find the performance of both the gtx470 and 480 very nice? Something aint kosher if you don't, because this will drive ati prices down. 5850 and 5870 alike.

:d:d:d
 

Dark4ng3l

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Okay I was wondering what the spin was going to be on this product. Of course the spin is that we should all ignore the fact that it's at best not better than 5800 cards because the ATI card are INFERIOR PIECES OF ENGINEERING. Lets all forget about the real world and consider that unless you engineer something until it starts falling apart then it's not even worth considering because real products should always be over ambitious half failed energy guzzlers.

Seriously you say ATI under engineered but what about efficiency? ATI card MURDER Fermi in efficiency and if I remember the few engineering classes that I took most of the time you are looking for the most efficient way of doing something not just to do it by overbuilding it just to make sure its good enough.

Dear leader overplayed his hand and his gamble failed and now it's up to you guys to do damage control.
 
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waffleironhead

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With all the extra silicon involved with fermi, the performance over cypress is not that great. I guess this comes from incorporating all of the GPGPU aspects. Are they now paying the price of trying for jack-of-all-trades?
 

HurleyBird

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Right now, they are going for efficiency, and small die as possible, and people confuse this with superior engineering on an otherwise anemic chip.

Good engineering IS efficiency (both in terms of perf/watt and perf/mm2), Keys. I'm sorry, but you sound like you're talking through a reality distortion field.
 

Lonyo

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Good engineering IS efficiency (both in terms of perf/watt and perf/mm2), Keys. I'm sorry, but you sound like you're talking through a reality distortion field.

Maybe NV have also offered to pay the electricity bills of focus group members who get sent GTX480s?
 

crazylegs

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I think eyefinity is cool with seamless monitors. But I don't think there is any comparison in engineering prowess here. Maybe ATI will do something next gen to really impress architectually. Right now, they are going for efficiency, and small die as possible, and people confuse this with superior engineering on an otherwise anemic chip.

Take those NV 3D goggles off and then maybe you'll stop confusing a large, unefficient, power hungry, hot chip for being an engineering wonder? :s
 

Magusigne

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Maybe NV have also offered to pay the electricity bills of focus group members who get sent GTX480s?

Careful..people around here get magically banned for badmouthing the Nvidia focus groups *eyeshift*

Drink the Cool-Aid man!

the GTX480 plays games amazingly fast, Heats your room in the winter, AND can be used as a portable griddle!

3 in 1.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Take those NV 3D goggles off and then maybe you'll stop confusing a large, unefficient, power hungry, hot chip for being an engineering wonder? :s
To be fair, it's a marvel of engineering they managed to get it out in the first place...
 
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